Important! : Piper 4-1

1. BIG Established Member Joined: Jul 2011 HERTS Posts: 1041 SILVER R

   #1 1st May 2012, 13:15

   Got a piper 4-1 manifold and wondering if anyone knows wether i have to relocate my oil filter or not?
   
   It will be going on a 02 VTR.
   
   Cheers
2. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

   #2 1st May 2012, 19:06

   I've got no phone today so i'll just say theres no need to relocate the oil filter.
3. user_18250 Established Member Joined: Sep 2007 Swadlincote Posts: 1185 2003 Black VTR

   #3 1st May 2012, 19:13

   Don't speak too soon Kev.
   
   I bought a Piper from a member off here who claimed it was for a Mark 2.
   
   Was no where near clearing the filter and had to do the conversion.
   
   My advice would be to look for a Raceland 4-1 which will clear the filter and also has two Lambda holes for the mk2 ECU.
   
   Even when you relocate for the Piper, a Mk2 still doesn't run right because it only has one Lambda and its right at the very bottom next to the centre pipe, it makes a Mk2 overfuel lots.
   
   The Raceland can be picked up new for £160/170, its alot cheaper but the irony is that the car runs faster coz it can fuel so much better due to the mani being specifically suited for mark 2s.
   
   All of this is speaking from experience, and Kev if you remember this is why I had all the hassle with various centre pipes and underfloor CATs and the car still not passing an emissions test no matter what.
4. BIG Established Member Joined: Jul 2011 HERTS Posts: 1041 SILVER R

   #4 2nd May 2012, 00:03

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   Originally Posted by SteveWC Don't speak too soon Kev. I bought a Piper from a member off here who claimed it was for a Mark 2. Was no where near clearing the filter and had to do the conversion. My advice would be to look for a Raceland 4-1 which will clear the filter and also has two Lambda holes for the mk2 ECU. Even when you relocate for the Piper, a Mk2 still doesn't run right because it only has one Lambda and its right at the very bottom next to the centre pipe, it makes a Mk2 overfuel lots. The Raceland can be picked up new for £160/170, its alot cheaper but the irony is that the car runs faster coz it can fuel so much better due to the mani being specifically suited for mark 2s. All of this is speaking from experience, and Kev if you remember this is why I had all the hassle with various centre pipes and underfloor CATs and the car still not passing an emissions test no matter what.

   
   well i have fitted it now and with only one lambda sensor like you said the lower, done it in the porring rain and was silly difficult but did clear the oil filter no problem, although the to get it to link properly i have had to pull the exhaust so far forward and its nearly behind the rear bumper now, gonna get it on a ramp asap.
   
   On another note its sounds amazing and pops up and down gears and when you put you foot down and shut off pops so i would have to agree with the overfueling
5. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

   #5 3rd May 2012, 11:26

   Piper tested it on a Mk2 and it fits. I dont really understand why one car seems fine yet someone else has a world of pain.

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6. Baz Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2005 Coventry Posts: 17782 Fiesta ST150

   #6 3rd May 2012, 13:39

   Was gonna say, thought all Piper manis fit on the MK2, maybe yours wasn't actually a Piper then mate?
7. BIG Established Member Joined: Jul 2011 HERTS Posts: 1041 SILVER R

   #7 4th May 2012, 00:06

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   Originally Posted by Baz Was gonna say, thought all Piper manis fit on the MK2, maybe yours wasn't actually a Piper then mate?

   Mine is fine and has the stamp which says piper, sorted the fitment out now aswell and alls sweet except it having one lambda hole does anyone know how to get rid of the engine managment light, im guessing a simple diagnostic tool?
   
   As a few people i know have not had the engine managment light come up?
   
   Also it has killed 5th gear beyond beleif does not budge apose to when standard
8. Ben_SaxoForte Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2009 Stoke-on-trent Posts: 2640 Mk5 Golf GTTDI Mk2 VTR Project

   #8 4th May 2012, 00:36

   you need to sleeve your 2nd lambda to get the management light off, its just so it reads clean air

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9. Baz Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2005 Coventry Posts: 17782 Fiesta ST150

   #9 4th May 2012, 09:50

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by BIG Mine is fine and has the stamp which says piper, sorted the fitment out now aswell and alls sweet except it having one lambda hole does anyone know how to get rid of the engine managment light, im guessing a simple diagnostic tool? As a few people i know have not had the engine managment light come up? Also it has killed 5th gear beyond beleif does not budge apose to when standard

   Was on about Steve's not being a piper lol, my mani only has 1 hole for the lamba, Ive just got mine attached to the battery tray lol which hasn't made the light come on

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10. BIG Established Member Joined: Jul 2011 HERTS Posts: 1041 SILVER R

    #10 4th May 2012, 18:10

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    Originally Posted by Ben_SaxoForte you need to sleeve your 2nd lambda to get the management light off, its just so it reads clean air

    Call me dumb but what do you mean by sleeve i thnk i get what you mean but yeah