Fitting baker bm ecu engine mount - drill?

1. dolby20 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2011 Esholt - West Yorkshire Posts: 3113 Citroen Saxo VTR 2002

   #1 2nd May 2012, 19:17

   Hi
   I plan on fitting my baker bm group N engine mounts
   The gearbox side ones sound easy - support gearbox, undo, replace, tighten!
   Easy!
   It's the ecu side one that is a bit odd
   I've read/heard that you need to drill the mounting hole out
   It's apparently a 10mm and the group N mount is a 12mm bolt
   Can anyone confirm?
   I've read the guide, but that doesn't mention it???
   But why are people saying it needs drilling?
   MK2 VTR by the way!
   Thanks in advance for any help!
2. DanTvts Established Member Joined: Mar 2011 Torbay Posts: 1285 Mauritius Vts, 206 Gti 180

   #2 2nd May 2012, 19:41

   Yeah you will have to open the hole up to a 12mm. Its because the standard 10mm bolts are known for being weak and snapping, so bakerbm have used a much stronger 12mm one, just means you have to open the hole up so it can fit through, pretty easy once its all off anyway.
3. Ali123 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2011 huddersfield Posts: 2635 ph3'd c2 gt

   #3 2nd May 2012, 19:51

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by dolby20 Hi I plan on fitting my baker bm group N engine mounts The gearbox side ones sound easy - support gearbox, undo, replace, tighten! Easy! It's the ecu side one that is a bit odd I've read/heard that you need to drill the mounting hole out It's apparently a 10mm and the group N mount is a 12mm bolt Can anyone confirm? I've read the guide, but that doesn't mention it??? But why are people saying it needs drilling? MK2 VTR by the way! Thanks in advance for any help!

   once youve fitted them could you give us a quick review how you find them? looking to buy some too
4. dolby20 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2011 Esholt - West Yorkshire Posts: 3113 Citroen Saxo VTR 2002

   #4 2nd May 2012, 20:45

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by DanTvts Yeah you will have to open the hole up to a 12mm. Its because the standard 10mm bolts are known for being weak and snapping, so bakerbm have used a much stronger 12mm one, just means you have to open the hole up so it can fit through, pretty easy once its all off anyway.

   Nice one thanks!
5. dolby20 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2011 Esholt - West Yorkshire Posts: 3113 Citroen Saxo VTR 2002

   #5 2nd May 2012, 20:45

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Ali123 once youve fitted them could you give us a quick review how you find them? looking to buy some too

   Yeah I will do!

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6. dolby20 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2011 Esholt - West Yorkshire Posts: 3113 Citroen Saxo VTR 2002

   #6 3rd May 2012, 14:16

   Well I got to this point
   
   With a jack and some wood under the sump
   The two bolts either side of the mount are out
   The three nuts on the silver 'arm' are off
   But I can't get the mount to move off :/
   Am I missing something?
   HELP!
7. user_13958 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 3068

   #7 3rd May 2012, 14:23

   Jack the engine up slightly more and wiggle the mount! If its still stuck, gently tap the part with three stud through it with a hammer! Usually they just stick the the mount underneath!
8. dolby20 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2011 Esholt - West Yorkshire Posts: 3113 Citroen Saxo VTR 2002

   #8 3rd May 2012, 14:24

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by qrty Jack the engine up slightly more and wiggle the mount! If its still stuck, gently tap the part with three stud through it with a hammer! Usually they just stick the the mount underneath!

   So everything that needs to be undone, was undone? Just a case of wiggle and shake?
9. user_13958 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 3068

   #9 3rd May 2012, 14:25

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by dolby20 So everything that needs to be undone, was undone? Just a case of wiggle and shake?

   YUP!
10. dolby20 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2011 Esholt - West Yorkshire Posts: 3113 Citroen Saxo VTR 2002

    #10 3rd May 2012, 14:26

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by qrty YUP!

    Great shall give this a go tomorrow
    Thanks
11. DanTvts Established Member Joined: Mar 2011 Torbay Posts: 1285 Mauritius Vts, 206 Gti 180

    #11 3rd May 2012, 17:27

    So close....lol. Sometimes they can be a bit stubborn due to the engine being at a slight angle cos you've jacked it up, as said maybe lift the engine or drop it slightly, will come off then with a bit of movement.
12. dolby20 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2011 Esholt - West Yorkshire Posts: 3113 Citroen Saxo VTR 2002

    #12 3rd May 2012, 18:03

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DanTvts So close....lol. Sometimes they can be a bit stubborn due to the engine being at a slight angle cos you've jacked it up, as said maybe lift the engine or drop it slightly, will come off then with a bit of movement.

    I probably nearly had it but just needed a nudge!
13. dolby20 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2011 Esholt - West Yorkshire Posts: 3113 Citroen Saxo VTR 2002

    #13 4th May 2012, 10:02

    All three are now fitted
    So each one individually....
    Well ecu mount - bit of a pain, needed to be drilled to 12mm, broke two drill bits doing it!
    But after that, piece of cake! Just bolts together
    Gearbox mount beneath battery - nice and easy, second pair of hands would have been helpful for pushing the gearbox back in line
    Gearbox rear mount - wish I had a press for this! Broke two vices trying to press that bugger in!
    Oh and I just hacksawed the old mount our, time consuming but possible!
    
    Overall driving impression - very good! Sharpened gear changes up, sharpened acceleration, the car feels tighter overall! A good buy but a small inconvenience to fit!
14. Psycho18 Established Member Joined: Apr 2008 west Mids Posts: 1775 Mk1 White VTS

    #14 4th May 2012, 10:11

    What you saying for vibrations?
15. dolby20 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2011 Esholt - West Yorkshire Posts: 3113 Citroen Saxo VTR 2002

    #15 4th May 2012, 10:14

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Psycho18 What you saying for vibrations?

    They're noticeable and obviously so
    But they're not actually as extreme as I thought!
    I'll leave that to the Group A mounts
    But yeah, it does vibrate more, and noticably.
    But only at standstill, once you're moving you feel the whole vehicle tighten up compared to standard mounts
    Going to be honest, if you like comfort and quiet, these aren't for you
    If you want hardcore racing mounts, I'd probably say go for Group A
    These are you mid point
    Not soft but not so solid that they shake your knackers off!
16. Psycho18 Established Member Joined: Apr 2008 west Mids Posts: 1775 Mk1 White VTS

    #16 4th May 2012, 15:03

    Yeah, got the same feeling. Really enjoying mine only something from the french plastic interior works it's way loose now and again and needs tightening up to stop any noises.
17. dolby20 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2011 Esholt - West Yorkshire Posts: 3113 Citroen Saxo VTR 2002

    #17 4th May 2012, 15:06

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Psycho18 Yeah, got the same feeling. Really enjoying mine only something from the french plastic interior works it's way loose now and again and needs tightening up to stop any noises.

    Only my carbon fibre battery cover rattled loose - since beng stuck back on
18. Ali123 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2011 huddersfield Posts: 2635 ph3'd c2 gt

    #18 4th May 2012, 16:41

    reading what youve said and what others have said i am deffo gonna buy some
    reckon theyre worth the money mate?
19. dolby20 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2011 Esholt - West Yorkshire Posts: 3113 Citroen Saxo VTR 2002

    #19 4th May 2012, 17:01

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ali123 reading what youve said and what others have said i am deffo gonna buy some reckon theyre worth the money mate?

    Yeah definitely, just done a 100 mile round trip to 'bed them in'

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20. Ali123 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2011 huddersfield Posts: 2635 ph3'd c2 gt

    #20 4th May 2012, 17:07

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dolby20 Yeah definitely, just done a 100 mile round trip to 'bed them in'

    nice one
    is this what you got mate? http://www.bakerbm.com/106.php?data=engkitn1062
21. dolby20 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2011 Esholt - West Yorkshire Posts: 3113 Citroen Saxo VTR 2002

    #21 4th May 2012, 17:13

    Nah I got them from Kam Racing
    They didn't have the new buffers in them!
    Haven't noticed though!
22. Ali123 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2011 huddersfield Posts: 2635 ph3'd c2 gt

    #22 4th May 2012, 17:16

    ahh fair play!
    need to get saving now haha!
23. dolby20 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2011 Esholt - West Yorkshire Posts: 3113 Citroen Saxo VTR 2002

    #23 5th May 2012, 20:42

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ali123 ahh fair play! need to get saving now haha!

    Indeed!

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24. pug106jb Infrequent Poster Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 125

    #24 2nd July 2012, 12:23

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dolby20 Nah I got them from Kam Racing They didn't have the new buffers in them! Haven't noticed though!

    The 'Buffers' you mention are the metal inserts that stiffen the mounts up. I've just bought the kit off BakerBM and it looks really good, I would imagine that the vibrations will be a little more noticable with the inserts fitted.
    
    Not looking forward to drilling out the hole to suit the new bolt but will give it a go some time this week.

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25. dolby20 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2011 Esholt - West Yorkshire Posts: 3113 Citroen Saxo VTR 2002

    #25 2nd July 2012, 21:50

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by pug106jb The 'Buffers' you mention are the metal inserts that stiffen the mounts up. I've just bought the kit off BakerBM and it looks really good, I would imagine that the vibrations will be a little more noticable with the inserts fitted. Not looking forward to drilling out the hole to suit the new bolt but will give it a go some time this week.

    Pretty easy to be honest
    Just make sure you get it tightened up good and proper!