Saxo vtr rear wheel bearing fail mot?????

1. gaz2002 L-plater Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 86

   #1 10th May 2012, 17:07

   hi all
   
   had my 1999 vtr in for mot today, it failed on driver side rear wheel bearing been rough and having excessive play.
   
   so, with it been disc brake on rear, do i just need to buy a bearing which is like £20 or do i have to buy the bearing thats already in the hubwhich is about £50??
   
   any help would be good and asap please as only have 10 days for retest
   
   
   thanks
2. blacksaxodevil Regular Poster Joined: Nov 2011 surrey Posts: 397 saxo vtr mk1 mitsi evo 4 project

   #2 10th May 2012, 17:52

   normally on rear you would buy the hub complete but you can buy the bearing on its own but you will need to have it pressed in and out of hub so would end up probably costing more that way
3. gaz2002 L-plater Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 86

   #3 10th May 2012, 18:14

   ok thanks. can easily get it pressed etc, vice does the job
4. jasonmayall Established Member Joined: Mar 2011 Birmingham Posts: 2148 Rover BRM, Rover 800 Coupe, Mk6 golf.

   #4 10th May 2012, 19:11

   I'd personally go for the hub, it will be your easiest option. They're really easy to do though. You just pop your wheel off, undo the big nut in the middle, 32mm iirc, I used a gear puller to remove the old one and just popped the new one in. 20 minutes and you're done, saves pissing about finding somewhere to press a new bearing in there for you anyway. I got one from car spares, and it was only £25 for the hub.
5. gaz2002 L-plater Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 86

   #5 11th May 2012, 04:55

   wheres car spares? £25 is cheap
6. blacksaxodevil Regular Poster Joined: Nov 2011 surrey Posts: 397 saxo vtr mk1 mitsi evo 4 project

   #6 11th May 2012, 08:34

   also a vice will not press a bearing into a hub as needs to be about 10 tonnes of pressure behind it. also you will not get a vice to press it in straight
7. gaz2002 L-plater Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 86

   #7 11th May 2012, 16:20

   iv had about half dozen wheel bearings replaced before, every1 been done using a vice, stood there and watched him do it.if its not straight it wont go in, full stop, so has to of gone in straight
8. blacksaxodevil Regular Poster Joined: Nov 2011 surrey Posts: 397 saxo vtr mk1 mitsi evo 4 project

   #8 11th May 2012, 16:22

   well with a thing such as a wheel bearing i wouldnt risk it.
9. iDale Regular Poster Joined: Jun 2011 Somerset Posts: 448 Mk1 Woodland VTS

   #9 11th May 2012, 16:49

   I've known dozens of wheel bearings to be done with a vice and never had an issue. That option would be fine if you just wanted to save a bit of money.
10. user_57064 Established Member Joined: Jan 2012 south essex!! Posts: 2442 posi blue vtrs race car

    #10 11th May 2012, 17:18

    Tbh at work i use a 40ton press glides in!! At home smash the old one out usually have to have heat to get the race out and grit paper the rust of the edge and hammer the new one in with a socket, never had a problem :-) not advisable tho, the posibility of messing it up is high....
    
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11. gaz2002 L-plater Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 86

    #11 12th May 2012, 00:13

    the guy i use (cheap) uses a old bearing case to hammer the old bearing out, then a vice to press the new 1 in. piece of piss!
12. user_34090 Established Member Joined: May 2009 Devizes Posts: 2280 Blue Clio 172 Cup

    #12 12th May 2012, 09:08

    I did 2 wheel bearings on mine, didn't use a vice. But it did annoy me haha
13. user_20080 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2007 smurfland. Posts: 17346 Ex saxo owner.

    #13 12th May 2012, 16:23

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by iDale I've known dozens of wheel bearings to be done with a vice and never had an issue. That option would be fine if you just wanted to save a bit of money.

    The garage I worked in always did it this way(with a big socket)inbetween.
14. gaz2002 L-plater Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 86

    #14 12th May 2012, 18:29

    yeah thought so. that idiot above obviously knows nothing lol/ i'd do it myself but dont have the tools
15. blacksaxodevil Regular Poster Joined: Nov 2011 surrey Posts: 397 saxo vtr mk1 mitsi evo 4 project

    #15 12th May 2012, 19:18

    the idiot above i guess your talking about is me, well ive been in the trade now 14 years and would never fit a wheel bearing using a vice or a big socket. its just not worth the risk of having a bearing falling apart or having it done wrongly.
16. gaz2002 L-plater Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 86

    #16 12th May 2012, 21:36

    well i dont see any1 else saying there bearing has fallen apart after been fitted using a vice etc. vice/press does same job, pushes the bearing in. why would it fall apart? couldnt fall apart as its packed in nice and tight
17. blacksaxodevil Regular Poster Joined: Nov 2011 surrey Posts: 397 saxo vtr mk1 mitsi evo 4 project

    #17 13th May 2012, 07:50

    i was talking about the socket and hammer jobbie, its like if you got it wrong and the socket sliped and hit the rubber seal on the bearing then you could do more damage than its worth unless your using the complete metal bearings which are obviously like 3 times the price of the cheapo ones. in my eyes its just not worth doing it that way i never would and none of the true mechanics working for citroen, peugeot or any other dealership for that matter would do either of the processes vice or hammer and socket as they would have the skin ripped off their backs if anything went wrong. as said i have done loads with a bearing press and cost like £10 to do anyway. you know if anyone in a dealer did it the way as above and the bearing failed within a year they could get sued for attempted murder. if found out to of done it either of those ways. just my thoughts and knowledge on the matter. put it this way if you took your car and money to a garage and they said they didnt have a bearing press so they whacked the shit out of your car bearing witha hammer and large socket. i would go fucking nuts but thats me. its up to you of course but i just wouldnt do it.
18. blacksaxodevil Regular Poster Joined: Nov 2011 surrey Posts: 397 saxo vtr mk1 mitsi evo 4 project

    #18 13th May 2012, 07:52

    [QUOTE=greyjasper51;5945430]Tbh at work i use a 40ton press glides in!! At home smash the old one out usually have to have heat to get the race out and grit paper the rust of the edge and hammer the new one in with a socket, never had a problem :-) not advisable tho, the posibility of messing it up is high....
    
    exactly my point aswell it can go wrong, its not worth the risk
19. Ben_SaxoForte Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2009 Stoke-on-trent Posts: 2640 Mk5 Golf GTTDI Mk2 VTR Project

    #19 13th May 2012, 22:55

    I've done a couple with the diy methods and have been fine I don't see a problem pressing them with a vice really if you take your time with it, obviously its ideal to get them pressed in but if your tight on cash don't see a problem using what you have.
20. blacksaxodevil Regular Poster Joined: Nov 2011 surrey Posts: 397 saxo vtr mk1 mitsi evo 4 project

    #20 13th May 2012, 23:53

    tight on cash god you got to be scrimping the barrel as just had both mine done as i dont have a bearing press each one cost like £10 and thats old one out and new one in
21. gaz2002 L-plater Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 86

    #21 14th May 2012, 10:09

    so then, back to the original question, does it come as the hub and bearing in 1 or is it poss just to buy a new bearing?
22. blacksaxodevil Regular Poster Joined: Nov 2011 surrey Posts: 397 saxo vtr mk1 mitsi evo 4 project

    #22 14th May 2012, 11:06

    you can buy a bearing seperate but you will need to have it pressed out of hub and then measure it and then order it from a bearing specialist like fk bearings. no motor factors will keep the beaing they just keep the complete hub
23. welshpug Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2010 South Wales Posts: 3078 ZX 16v, 205 GTI, 309 Goodwood, 405 MI16.

    #23 14th May 2012, 18:28

    you do know the disc rear hub incorporated the wheel bearing and can't be replaced separately so £50 for a complete hub it is if there's play.
24. UrPeanarse Newbie Joined: May 2012 kendal Posts: 3 saxo 1.1 saxo vtr mk2 saxo vtr mk2

    #24 14th May 2012, 18:57

    Iv used a vice and it passed it MOT but 6 months later i had to replace it again. so ....
25. blacksaxodevil Regular Poster Joined: Nov 2011 surrey Posts: 397 saxo vtr mk1 mitsi evo 4 project

    #25 14th May 2012, 19:44

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by welshpug you do know the disc rear hub incorporated the wheel bearing and can't be replaced separately so £50 for a complete hub it is if there's play.

    
    you can remove bearing from sealed hubs, but as most people just replace the hub they are cheap really. i have had many bearings replaced in rear hubs that are sealed. i did a set on a vauxhall nova running cav turbo rear disc setup which had enclosed rear hubs. i only did this to upgrade bearings for better ones as was going to be running an evo 4wd system. so it can be done but not worth it on a normal car
26. gaz2002 L-plater Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 86

    #26 15th May 2012, 23:52

    all sorted! more problems coming soon lol