Is this Police Harrassment?

  1. #1
    Just going to quickly point out that despite being a 20year old lad, i am unknown to any police station, never been pulled by the police or had any incidents with the police what so ever, never arrested or questioned. And although i own a saxo i am not the typical boy racer with a reputation for driving like a twat.

    About Two months ago the police showed up at my girlfriends house, they were snooping around my saxo, so i went out to see what the problem was, they said that my car had been involved in a road traffic incident, involving a cyclist being hit off his bike and the car driven away from the scene, they said that it was my registration that had been given. Straight away i knew that it wasnt my registration that had been given because they would have gone straight to its registrated address, which was my own home. They asked me to go to the police station for a voluntary interview about the incident, i agreed to because i knew 1, my car hasnt been working on the day the incident happend, and 2, im not stupid i know that i hadnt done anything wrong. later that day, an officer called my mobile arranging an interview for the next day, i agreed a time and he said " is there anything you would like to tell me before the interview?" i said "yes, is it my full registration that has been given by the victim of the incident?" he replied yes your full registration has given. straight away i was cautious of to why they wouldnt just go to my home address then.
    Anyway i turned up for my interview the next day, and when asked for all my details as i am not known to any police station. I asked " so what was the registration given by the person in the incident?" he replied, it was a part registration, a description of a blue car with the letter 'X' in the number plate, so straight away i new they where lying, when he had clearly told me that it was a full registration given.
    So the interview went ahead, he kept trying to catch me out on things, but being completely innocent i told 100% truth and did not slip up once, he told me you do reaslise that your Mot has run out today? i said yes i will be straight onto that to get it ticketed. When the interview was drawing to an end i quickly asked, " When you establish that it wasnt me, im not going to be pulled over all the time and hounded am i?" i only asked him this because the police in the area has a reputation for doing so. he said aslong as it wasnt you yourl be fine. Interview over.

    A week later i had driven my car to an Mot station to get a ticket, it failed first time as my nearside headlight was loose, and my middle silencer needed replacement, Upon driven back home the police pulled me, it was the same officer that had interviewed me the previous week, he said it was a standard vehicle check, i said i had just come back from a failed Mot so i was going home, he asked me to get into his car, so i did and then he gives me a 60£ fine for driving without an Mot, i was baffled, he accused me of driving all the time, when i seriously havent. His fellow officer then proceded to ask me questions about my job and what i got up to in my free time, i said i do carpentry and odd handy man jobs, he then cheekly said, " not running cyclist over then?" i snapped " well youve clearly found out that it wasnt me through cctv!" He just replied ok ok im just curious. After my fine they followed me home to make sure i stayed there.
    Two weeks later, after working on my car, i took it to a retest at the Mot station, where it passed. But annoyingly when i drove it home, my thermostat housing pipe cracked , leaking all my coolant, luckly i got it home in time, i waited another week for my part to come, fitted it and drove on, now legal, fully insured, 6 months tax and 12 Months Mot. First drive back home from shopping, i was driving back and the police drove past me in the opposite direction, i look in my mirrors and i see them do a U turn in the middle of the road and come behind me they pull me over, And what do you know it, it was the SAME officer that interviewed me and fined me before, when he approached the window, i handed him my Mot certificate, he said no i know you have got an Mot, it come up on our computer, this is just a standard vehicle check, i said but if its just passed its Mot why do you need to check again? No reply. I ended up getting fined 60£ for my ecu not harnessed down properly, and my windscreen washer not being filled between the Min and Max? i said well its passed an Mot surely that means its not a safety issue to the public, my ecu isnt going to fall out from the engine loom and did it occur to you that my washer jets couldve have slipped below the line from driving it today?. He said its your duty to keep your car safe and maintained. Being abit cheesed off i sarcastically said sorry i dont check my windscreen washers everytime i stop at the traffic light, and make sure my ecu is safe from scary monsters under the engine. Any way i drove to my girlfriends and left it there for the night.
    Today i drove back to my girlfriends from work, when approaching an arounderbout, i seen a police car going the opposite way, i carrie on driving, and 2 minutes later, i see the blues and twos again! Annoyed and suspicious of harassment, i set voice recordings on my phone before they approached my window, and you guessed it, THE SAME officer that interviewed me, and fined me 2 times before, i said this is a joke, your doing this to get at me for proving that i was innocent surely? he said No, this is just another standard vehicle check. bollocks, i step out the car, he says pop the bonnet, i do so, he wiggles my ecu tray and says its no strapped down properly, i said your having a laugh arent you? and to make things worse, my aftermarket air filter had come loose from the throttle body, and has half falling off, but wouldnt go anywhere regardless, next thing i know hes on the phone to a recovery service, this is when i loose it and make my feelings of the situation heard, i tell him that your harassing me, i never got pulled before i came to that interview, i drove past about a dozen police cars today and they dont even look at me twice, your the only officer that seems to pull me, fair enough if i was swerving about the road or doing 100mph down it but you have no reason to pull me, i bet i could drive for weeks and no other officer other than yourself would pull me. i then said why dont you go solve some real crimes other than picking on a lad for " not enough screen wash, or not tucking the ecu in with a blanket and checking the headlights manifold for scary monsters? " i lost it, i started taking things out my car, all my tools and sterio etc, i said give me the waiver form you car have it, i wasnt paying anymore fines or towing fees, the car was clearly not going to be left alone by these pooheads. He denied me the form and said were taking it to another garage to check for other offences, only then can you sign it over, i said whatever and started walking back to my girlfriends house. Sorry for the long essay im just fed up with this officer clearly picking on me, im not the moany type believe it or not, i just dont like the fact that im being victimised for as far as i can see, tiny safe petty defects and purely the fact that the police in that area have the reputation on not leaving people alone once they take a disliking.
    Everything i have said, is 100% true, i just want second opinions to find out if i have grounds for harassment?
  2. #2
    From what I can tell the police will just maintain that the officer knew your car and since the car was 'unroadworthy' the first time he has been pulling you since..
    It is completely ridiculous in my opinion but that's how some police officers work!
    Just make sure you get your car back, try to strap the ecu down a little better as he's soon going to run out of things..

    Also make a note of every time you get pulled by said officer and roughly what happened.. The more detailed the better and contact citizens advice or maybe even a solicitor.

    That's all I can personally think of.. As the more you get upset about it and snap back it tends to be the more you will lose out.. After all they're deemed the 'law' even if some are utter dickheads!
  3. #3
    Its the Notorious "Wareham" Police service, my friends had always warned me about them, then the first time im anything to do with them, im being targeted. its because i live in Dorset, the police around here have nothing to do, i remember, a local shop where i live, someone stole some makeup, and 2 vans and 2 police cars showed up, i rush down there thinking someones been shot in a robbery, turns out it was a drunk bloke nicking 50£ worth of make up. They need to find something to do or move to london to get more action!
  4. #4
    I'd make sure you take his name down, badge number and what all the incidents consisted of. Get down to the police station and make a formal complaint. I know it probly wont go far at first and will probly be dismissed, but at least it will be on record. If he keeps pulling you over (Make sure there is NOTHING for him to find wrong) keep a note of what he says and his reasoning for pulling you over.
    Its totally out of order IMO if you havent done anything wrong which you clearly havent.

    I drive a stupidly loud and low saxo, in birmingham so you'd expect that i get lots of trouble in it... I've been pulled over once because my car was so low, He just wanted to check my boot to make sure i wasnt carying a massive lump of lead or whatever, Fair enough. He noticed my handbrake didnt work too well, he said sort it out and left me on my way.

    He doesnt really have any reason to keep stopping you, Just be polite whenever he does though, Less chance of him being a cunt to you.
  5. #5
    ^ as above to be honest..
  6. #6
    Just report him.....
  7. #7
    My mate once had a similar kind of issue when he drove a freelander. Got pulled 28 times in 14 days! Nearly always the same officer or his "mate". He put in a harrassment case and got them in a load of shit. Funnily enough he was left alone after that.

    Defo make notes of when and how often he stops you, then report him.
  8. #8
    Set his house on fire..
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  9. #9
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by saxova View Post
    Set his house on fire..
    +1 this will solve all of your issues
  10. #10
    Long read and slightly difficult but I'm assuming everytime he pulled you over you got a producer to say said 'problem' was there, for you to fix? If not I personally would keep the car etc, and make sure he did so in future and play along with it (making sure your car is ok within MOT spec). Thought surely he can't give fines without producers and reasons etc.

    So I'd report him to the local station into whats been going on (you'll have his number and name on your producers if you have them) and go from there!

    Personally he sounds like a twat and he's being a dick who has nothing better to do with his time.
  11. #11
    Unfortunately Charlie the only thing you can do is report him. But put yourself in the complaint receiver's shoes. A young lad driving a sort of modified car thinks he's being picked on by the plod. And unfortunately every time he's pulled you over theres been something not quite right with the car.

    They're going to side with the officer because in theory he's doing his job whilst acting on suspicion. Yes he's throwing his weight around and you could argue that hes abusing his power slightly. But its not going to be swung in your favour im afraid, especially now you've lost your temper. Always stay cool with the police of you think you have a valid complaint and build your evidence later when emotions cant affect your judgement.


    Spend the weekend combing over the car like youre a tester. Make sure there's nothing out of line and he'll have no reason to keep pestering you.
  12. #12
    if you still have your tickets note down the dates as mentioned. there was a copper like that near me, he was really cocky with me each time he pulled me, and even went onto giving me breath tests so he had something to pull me over for. complained twice about him and not had a problem since. seems completely unfair. also im not sure he can refuse you that form to sign it over if thats what you really wanted to do...someone correct me if im wrong....
  13. #13
    Some one mite of cloned your car and this is why ur reg was given and them sayin your drivin it a lot without MIT, jus a sujestion
    And that officer sounds like a cunt holdin a grudge agents u or sometthing
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    i have never been an agressive or hostile lad, i understand any young lad in a sporty looking car is suspicious due to reputation. But before my interview i never had any problems or got pulled over, also i would not be as annoyed if it was seperate officers pulling me, but everytime its the same bloke. i havent been given any producers, just straight up fines, i assumed if my car was deemed safe enough to pass its mot, which is a goverment requirement to ensure the safety of other members of the public. But for them to pull me for a 'standard vehicle check' and pick faults fresh out of an Mot is just ridiculous. I want the car taken away from me to avoid any more problems and money spending keeping it running, i can tell the head gasket is going so its no big deal. But they clearly dont want me driving it so i dont see why they confiscate it to a garage to see for other offences? money grabbing if you ask me, so they can do what they want, im still filing complaints and if they think im paying the fines, then they are just fools. Im not some chav doing 80 round a town and i never have been. Just because they deal with lad that do do that type of stuff doesnt mean they can rinse money out of someone driving to and from work.

    Anyone notice i said do do? i may not be a thug but i sure am childish!
  15. #15
    you got fined for having a loose ECU, driving home from an mot station, low washer jet fluid and a loose air filter?

    Thats not even legal is it, you cannot be fined for driving home from an mot test if it has failed. You cannot be fined for having low washer fluid. Sounds like hes taking you for a mug i cant believe you let him do that!
  16. #16
    it doesnt matter, they are not getting one shilling off me
  17. #17
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tom5190 View Post
    you got fined for having a loose ECU, driving home from an mot station, low washer jet fluid and a loose air filter?

    Thats not even legal is it, you cannot be fined for driving home from an mot test if it has failed. You cannot be fined for having low washer fluid. Sounds like hes taking you for a mug i cant believe you let him do that!
    Washer fluid is actually a legal requirement however a fine is very harsh!
    I also thought that you couldn't be fined driving back from a failed MOT but so I heard you can if your previous MOT has already ran out..
    ^ that may be Betty swallocks though..
  18. #18
    Fined for low washer fluid Pfft no wonder people hate the pigs. Also on the direct gov website I think it is or DVLA it actually says your allowed to drive a un-mot'd car to and from the garage/ mot station... So u shouldn't of been fined for that if u could prove it.
  19. #19
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by OMGASAXO View Post
    Fined for low washer fluid Pfft no wonder people hate the pigs. Also on the direct gov website I think it is or DVLA it actually says your allowed to drive a un-mot'd car to and from the garage/ mot station... So u shouldn't of been fined for that if u could prove it.
    As far as I knew it said TO the MOT station, I'm not sure about the guidelines on if it fails and your previous MOT has ran out!
  20. #20
    Regarding driving to and from the MOT, you CAN drive with no MOT to and from a pre-arranged MOT that you prove, also taking the most direct route. However, if you car has failed then you can be fined for certain failures such as low tyres etc. Having no MOT in your instance was perfectly fine and you should question this, quoting some official source, preferably one in writing of you asking the question and a reply with the officials name and position etc.

    https://www.askthe.police.uk/content/Q600.htm

    Unfortunately as pathetic as your offenses are they are offenses. You cant say otherwise. Just got to accept that they are overly pathetic cunts in your area.

    Only points you could argue is that your windscreen had 100% visibility with nothing obstructing your view and your fluid had just run out which you were making a priority to top up. Strapped down ECU, well you don't really want a loose ECU in the bay and I find it hard to believe it was literally dangling lose, maybe just not fully fastened down?

    Pathetic though imo.

    If you have any Q's contact willsy on here as hes a traffic po po man along with his dad
  21. #21
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by OMGASAXO View Post
    Fined for low washer fluid Pfft no wonder people hate the pigs. Also on the direct gov website I think it is or DVLA it actually says your allowed to drive a un-mot'd car to and from the garage/ mot station... So u shouldn't of been fined for that if u could prove it.
    err, how did he know it was low? you can only see the neck of it?!?!?
  22. #22
    What is the situation with your car at the moment? Have they still got it for a VOSA inspection?

    I sense a charge under section 40A RTA coming on

    Youve just got unlucky mate, I get the same round here.

    Traffic never like to be beaten with things. If they think you've got one over on them (knocking over the bike man in your case), then this is what they will do.

    My best advise would have been to never pay the fixed penalties - traffic always win if you just cough up and pay

    If you can afford the time to do it, its always better to have your day in the magistrates and explain what is going on. Usually offences like these would never make it into court. Even the police realise that it looks bad on them wasting court time. It would be then down to PC toss pot to prove;

    a) your ECU was lose.
    b) its dangerous.
    c) your screen wash was below minimum.

    ^ without pictures or an independant VOSA report, he probably wouldnt be able to do any of that.

    As said, driving back home (within a reasonable time frame - ie just after) from an MOT is perfectly legal - although the problems it failed on could be picked up on. So make sure your FPN is for driving without an MOT. First thing to do is get your £60 back for that. Write to, and send recorded delivered a copy of your invoice for the MOT and FPN to your station with a letter explaining whats happened and you expect a full refund.

    Next, go into your station, tell them you want to make a complaint about him, someone higher up will come to you. Ask for IPCC forms, they never like it when it goes that far. If your not happy with that, write to your MP, explain that your a young, honest, working lad and this is how the local police are treating you. He will be on to a high up person and you will be replied to within a week.

    It's all shit mate, but you need to remember the police are a money generating organisation, and this is what they do
  23. #23
    this actually wound me up reading this..
  24. #24
    i know how you feel i was getting harassed a while back, it seemed to stop when i rang his sergeant up lol and i found out he was a pcso. i had the twat knockin on my door at half 7 in the mornin coz i was parked with 2 wheels on kerb down a quiete village culdesac and pulled about 6 times. not sure but dont they have to log it if they pull someone, id give the local station a ring and tell them whats been going on and the name of the twat doing it. tell them you will be putting an official complaint in if it dont stop. its not on shit like that. and they wonder why people cant stand coppers. if the plastic plod come down my street again he will be gettin told to f off, not like he can arresst me lol.
  25. #25
    Nightmare and creepy!

    Odd the same officer and no others have bothered hauling you up. Id say hes abit tapped in the head..
  26. #26
    Report him

    And next time you post break your text up abit - its bloody hard to read!
  27. #27
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Prickle View Post
    Nightmare and creepy!

    Odd the same officer and no others have bothered hauling you up. Id say hes abit tapped in the head..
    is the OP sexy?
  28. #28
    my step sister works for dorset police. She has pulled me 4 times and once tried to book me for under inflated tyres! Needless to say i won't be sending her an xmas card. Anthrax however . . . .
  29. #29
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by outrage_uk View Post
    What is the situation with your car at the moment? Have they still got it for a VOSA inspection?

    I sense a charge under section 40A RTA coming on

    Youve just got unlucky mate, I get the same round here.

    Traffic never like to be beaten with things. If they think you've got one over on them (knocking over the bike man in your case), then this is what they will do.

    My best advise would have been to never pay the fixed penalties - traffic always win if you just cough up and pay

    If you can afford the time to do it, its always better to have your day in the magistrates and explain what is going on. Usually offences like these would never make it into court. Even the police realise that it looks bad on them wasting court time. It would be then down to PC toss pot to prove;

    a) your ECU was lose.
    b) its dangerous.
    c) your screen wash was below minimum.

    ^ without pictures or an independant VOSA report, he probably wouldnt be able to do any of that.

    As said, driving back home (within a reasonable time frame - ie just after) from an MOT is perfectly legal - although the problems it failed on could be picked up on. So make sure your FPN is for driving without an MOT. First thing to do is get your £60 back for that. Write to, and send recorded delivered a copy of your invoice for the MOT and FPN to your station with a letter explaining whats happened and you expect a full refund.

    Next, go into your station, tell them you want to make a complaint about him, someone higher up will come to you. Ask for IPCC forms, they never like it when it goes that far. If your not happy with that, write to your MP, explain that your a young, honest, working lad and this is how the local police are treating you. He will be on to a high up person and you will be replied to within a week.

    It's all shit mate, but you need to remember the police are a money generating organisation, and this is what they do
    Exactly this! Except contact the dorset police hq, all the dp cop shops are very friendly.
  30. #30
    http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho....php?p=5960072

    hmmm coincidence???
  31. #31
    description of a blue car. x reg

    His is red.. W reg
  32. #32
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by kmak577 View Post
    my step sister works for dorset police. She has pulled me 4 times and once tried to book me for under inflated tyres! Needless to say i won't be sending her an xmas card. Anthrax however . . . .
    What a cunt she sounds. I'd just sell the current car and get another, your claims of harassment will be laughed out of the station
  33. #33
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Prickle View Post
    description of a blue car. x reg

    His is red.. W reg
    could have been a colour blind dyslexic that gave the description.
  34. #34
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Gandi699 View Post
    What a cunt she sounds. I'd just sell the current car and get another, your claims of harassment will be laughed out of the station
    if they don't take it seriously, go to the ipcc. they will not look kindly on it.
  35. #35
    what a prick! id get down the station me and complain and demand somethings done there and then
  36. #36
    i had this when i was a teenager with my 1st bike. this officer pulled me for a routine check. told me i had a bald rear tyre and didnt like when i pulled out the reciept for a brand new rear tyre dated the previous week. he then decided to pull me at every oppertunity after that and even followed me when off duty in his car
    after a month of this i made an official complaint to essex police and it stopped.
    as already said report this wanker. dont let him make you get rid of your car.
  37. #37
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MuZiZZle View Post
    err, how did he know it was low? you can only see the neck of it?!?!?
    No idea but he must of been desperate for a problem to use that lol
  38. #38
    They dont look at the washer jet fluid bottle, they make you squirt your washers! No squirty, no likey!
  39. #39
    I've never been pulled over for random check & hopefully I don't even tho my saxo is quite loud. My mate however has a quiet MG ZR but gets pulled over often. He's been fined for battery being supposedly loose. Typical police wankers who have nothing to do better with their life. Hope you get it all sorted mate, as loads of people have mentioned already, keep a detailed account of everything they do. You may be able to get your own back.
    I know it's off subject slightly, but if i ever came into money i'd spend mega money on a bike & be the ghostrider of North Wales! I love the way that guy basically says f**k the law and theres nothing they can do about it
  40. #40
    I don't mean to piss you off by saying this - but I can't see anything he's done wrong.
    Your car was not MOt'd and you were driving around in it. This is an offence, unless you appeal it and prove you'd just come from a pre arranged MOT.
    He's given you a £60 fine for having a loose ECU and low washer jet fluid(Both must be offences, if they aren't why haven't you appealed against them? just unfortunately got a jobsworth policeman), then pulled you over for a second time just to see if you had fixed the problem - Unfortunately you hadn't to a standard that makes the car 'Roadworthy' in his eyes.

    If you try and do him for harassment you won't really have a leg to stand on. He was just checking an Un-roadworthy car, the driver of which had previously been fined for certain offences, which unfortunately hadn't been made roadworthy by the time the second check happened.

    The fact other police officers hadn't pulled you over has nothing to do with your driving, but the fact this officer knows your car wasn't roadworthy last time he saw it. It's unfortunate that you hadn't fixed the problems, but if you'd actually fixed them the first time, you wouldn't have any problem the second time and he'd of let you on your way.
  41. #41
    firstly, the MOT is different to the LAW! i know its hard to believe, both three letters long and both piss ugly annoying!

    if you fail your MOT, then its failed, UNLESS you have done it in your 28 days grace. i had someone ring me about two weeks ago, her mot ran out that day asking for me to do one, i said it will fail and her and her boyfriend insisted they had a week legally to drive around to get it fixed no. if failed, so no MOT. hence why they give you the 28 day period before hand so if it does fail, you have time to still drive around and get the problems rectified.

    no washer fluid is fine worthy and MOT failure
    insecure battery is fine worthy and MOT advisory
    any component that is loose, so long as its not fouling will be advised yet can be given points for.

    the offences which he has issed tickets for are perfectly acceptable reasons and he had every right to do so.

    complain as much as you like, i really dont see you getting anywhere. you broke the law. sucks, but thats how they will look at it.
  42. #42
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by OMGASAXO View Post
    Some one mite of cloned your car and this is why ur reg was given and them sayin your drivin it a lot without MIT, jus a sujestion
    And that officer sounds like a cunt holdin a grudge agents u or sometthing
    Wow...
  43. #43
    Not quite. The law states;

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by RTA 1988, Section 40
    "A person is guilty of an offence if he uses, or causes or permits another to use, a motor vehicle or trailer on a road when—
    (a)the condition of the motor vehicle or trailer, or of its accessories or equipment
    is such that the use of the motor vehicle or trailer involves a danger of injury to any person."
    That means the police have to prove, that your ECU was loose - and - it is likely to cause injury. This is obviously where the magistrates and common sense come in. You have done everything in your power to keep your car road worthy (had an MOT within the last week? before getting the FPN), and the officer picked up on things incorrectly. Meaning - if VOSA - the people the government trust to keep our cars in a roadworthy standard - can't find anything wrong with your car a week? earlier, then the officer must say why he can do any better. Id say its very unlikely the courts will send this to trial, but if it does, he would need an independent VOSA report as evidence.

    People seem to have a problem in understanding the difference between what is LAW and the police's perception of an offence.
  44. #44
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by outrage_uk View Post
    Not quite. The law states;



    That means the police have to prove, that your ECU was loose - and - it is likely to cause injury. This is obviously where the magistrates and common sense come in. You have done everything in your power to keep your car road worthy (had an MOT within the last week? before getting the FPN), and the officer picked up on things incorrectly. Meaning - if VOSA - the people the government trust to keep our cars in a roadworthy standard - can't find anything wrong with your car a week? earlier, then the officer must say why he can do any better. Id say its very unlikely the courts will send this to trial, but if it does, he would need an independent VOSA report as evidence.

    People seem to have a problem in understanding the difference between what is LAW and the police's perception of an offence.
    Unless the car was in the MOT garage's hands for the week leading up to the incident - they will deny all knowledge of the ecu being loose and it's still on the OP's head. The difference between the law and a policeman's perception of an offence is that an appeal may be successful against the latter.

    If the OP hasn't taken a dated picture to prove the time and date of the incident of his secured ECU, then it's his word against po-po's. Obviously he could have fixed it since, so the fact it's a tiny offence and that its the police officer is being a jobs worth, doesn't matter. He could say in court it was scraping on the floor. They'd believe him. (That's if it got to court, which as said before, it probably wouldn't, who knows.)
  45. #45
    This is another perception that people have.

    You are in Court for the police (CPS) to prove your guilt, and for you to defend your innocence. One witness (the policeman's opinion) is usually not enough and you need facts from someone independent.

    In all fairness, the OP probably admits the offences (thats why he's paid the fines), just saying that wouldn't have been the way i'd have played it.
  46. #46
    sounds like a complete dick tbh when he tried to give me a fine for washer fluid i would have not took it and asked him politely to take u to the station to discuss the matter with a superior