13inch Minilites Which Calipers for 247mm

5th June 2012, 19:07

runnning 13inch minilites 10mm spacers on stock brakes. need a little better......

read somewhere that hispecs will fit, but with 266mm disks?

do they work for 247mm disks?

5th June 2012, 22:10

I can sell you a 4 pot 266mm set up that will fit under 13" minilite wheels and offer excellent braking capability (pm me). The only other "off the shelf" option you have is to run standard peugeot 247mm disks and calipers.

5th June 2012, 22:11

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=353680

5th June 2012, 23:50

Standard vtr/s brakes are a tight fit with 13's, I don't see how you could get bigger brakes without changing wheels.

6th June 2012, 06:46

There is a pic of a 266mm disk with one of my calipers behind a 13" minilite. The standards peugeot/citroen calipers are very chunky, taking up lots of room. My calipers are a slimmer design, hence they fit behind 13" wheels with the larger disk.

There are some calipers on the market that can fit behind a 13" wheel with a 280mm disk!!

6th June 2012, 08:11

what do you.use the car for what pads and fluid do you have braided lines ect??

i have 247 standard calipers ap 5.1 and goodridge lines with carbon lorraine rc5+ pads in my vtr track toy
25 minute session at mallory no fade no problems outbraked a lot of cars into.the hairpin pad material is often overlooked for sheer size which just adds weight half the time

6th June 2012, 09:33

I have run 13" wheels when we raced an Ax --long time ago and you can never stop brake fade no matterwhat pad material you use if driving on the limit .

If you have not had braking problems then it only means you were not going driving flat out for very long.
I understand the attraction of 13" wheels as a cheap way of altering the gearing ,but when driven to the limit you will always have brake fade after a few laps especially with miniltes as theey are a very "closed" type of rim
the best solution we came up with was spit rims ,which gave more clearance = willwood calipers and very aggressive pads --
a seasons racing --12races 30mile per race =2 sets of discs + pads -the pads wore the discs away like a grinder ,but they did work and din,t boil the fliud and worked from the first lap ,first corner --fitting very hard pads means you needed 2 laps to get them up to temp before they really worked --.
I am presuming you are doing track days which is npthing like REAL racing so maybe you do not need to wait until the 50 or the 75yd board before you hit the brakes to out brake people --this will make a big difference to brake performance required and the time for them to cool down till next application

6th June 2012, 18:17

Thanks for replies.

To answer questions, yes its a work in progress that will become a track biased car predominantly.

Experience, I lived in the USA for a long time and predominantly played around on the Import Drag Racing scene, when not doing that I also did a lot of track days and competed in the American version of Autocross/Handling circuit ( big carpark lots of cones to make a course )
At heart Ive always been a VW person and know the ins and out of those cars like the back of my hand.
I'm also a 2 wheeler, and this is where 70% of my time has been focussed since moving back home, baring a short spell into Scoobies

About 6 months ago I started looking into more COST effective fun modes of transport, Bikes now too dangerous on roads, Scoobies....left that 2 years ago when fuel really hiked and mine only did between 65 and 120 miles to a 60L tank when used for FUN lol

So in May I was lucky to find a mint 03 plate VTR for £300 along with a little spending on some parts..... Proper Suspension, Breath IN and OUT, Wheels, Braces, Bushes and what not. Most of which I still need to install, currently Silver Top 98HP with wheels and a BMC CDA ( shush i know how some feel about this type, but I've been using them for 8 years and always had good results )

Anyway I took it out for a play on my favourite stretch of roads, Bedale to Settle Via Leyburn/Hawes

On the section between Hawes and Settle i was approached from behind by some younger gents in a Civic Type R ( the older 04 model ) who proceeded to encourage a little friendly banter as I was already observing the Speed limit

Now I know the road like like the back of my hands on a Bike, and maybe that was the issue, as I drove it the same way as I would ride with adjustments to braking zones.

In the end I was very pleased that I was able to leave them in the tighter corners ( likely my road knowledge ) but they would regain distance on some of the longer straights ( top speed/Power )

The issue I was having and again this will be down in a lot of ways to my road knowledge vs driving style ( I brake as late as I feel possible while heel/toeing down gears and then power back through the apex, have you seen the size of my feet gonna take a little getting used to the saxo pedals ) anyway after 5 or 6 tight in outs I was finding major fade and having to brake later and later. Its what I expected as brakes are totally stock.....

So I'm looking for advice on whats worked for others out there....

7th June 2012, 13:07

I would first recommend just giving things a go with the stock calipers, try flushing the brake fluid with something of known high performance, replacing the brake hoses with braided steel versions, replacing the disks with good quality plain pattern parts and lastly a good set of fast road pads (M1144,M1155, ds2500 etc...)

Once you have tried this set up for a while if you are still not comfortable with the braking performance then I would look to going for a larger disk and different caliper combination.

While your at it, it is always a good idea to check over the condition on your current caliper, make sure everything thing it free to move as it should, they are corrosion free and all seals are in good condition.