Inner plastic arches at front

1. saladdodger Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 669

   #1 24th June 2012, 23:42

   Has anyone taken theirs out and got rid of them??
   
   Are they really needed?
   
   Any issues without them in like water into engine bay?
   
   Just that mine are a bit tired and broken, i took them out to clean etc but wondered if i can get away without them.
   
   
   Cheers
2. user_52335 Banned Joined: May 2011 north london Posts: 1618 mk1 flat arch

   #2 24th June 2012, 23:46

   i know that few people dont have them and have no probs, engine bay may get some splash of dirt/mud on a rainy day!
3. mcjacko1987 Established Member Joined: Feb 2011 Rochdale Posts: 1896 mk2 saxo 1.4 furio in possi blue

   #3 25th June 2012, 00:07

   never had mine on due to wide wheels rubbing on them, never caused me a problem
4. saladdodger Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 669

   #4 25th June 2012, 00:12

   OK cheers guys, ive undersealed it all under there so that should help.
   
   Thanks
5. deks36 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Aug 2008 Herne Bay. Kent Posts: 3881 Peugeot 307, Nissan Juke, 206 Grand tourisme

   #5 25th June 2012, 08:01

   If they were not really required do you think Citroen would have put them there. True they have no safetly factor but they do stop all the muck from the road eembedding itself all round the inside of the wing the door shut and more importantly over all the electrics like the washer motor the horn if its that side
   Not a major issue until you need to work on any of the parts that have had months of road dirt embedded round them

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6. BertieG Established Member Joined: Oct 2009 exeter, devon Posts: 1224 Clio 172

   #6 25th June 2012, 08:12

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by deks36 If they were not really required do you think Citroen would have put them there. True they have no safetly factor but they do stop all the muck from the road eembedding itself all round the inside of the wing the door shut and more importantly over all the electrics like the washer motor the horn if its that side Not a major issue until you need to work on any of the parts that have had months of road dirt embedded round them

   are you saying that with them fitted no dirt, mud, water etc gets into the wings? its still filthy behind them, as long as you are up for cleaning behind regularly i cant see any problems
7. DanTvts Established Member Joined: Mar 2011 Torbay Posts: 1285 Mauritius Vts, 206 Gti 180

   #7 25th June 2012, 09:16

   All thats going to happen is everything will get covered in wet dirty road muck a whole lot more than without them, which eventually will lead to rust, a lot sooner than if you had arch liners. And as these cars don't exactly do well on the rust front anyway, i'd be wary of leaving them off unless you're willing to keep cleaning the arches out well.
8. mcjacko1987 Established Member Joined: Feb 2011 Rochdale Posts: 1896 mk2 saxo 1.4 furio in possi blue

   #8 25th June 2012, 11:13

   thats why you clean the arch out now and then
9. devilsadvocate Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2006 Maidstone Posts: 8210 Golf TDI

   #9 25th June 2012, 13:20

   Mine still had the inner plastic bits in the front arches and I still had to get two mahousive holes welded up...
10. DanTvts Established Member Joined: Mar 2011 Torbay Posts: 1285 Mauritius Vts, 206 Gti 180

    #10 25th June 2012, 18:51

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by devilsadvocate Mine still had the inner plastic bits in the front arches and I still had to get two mahousive holes welded up...

    Yes well dirt etc is still going to get trapped between the liner and arch, just because you have arch liners doesn't mean you don't have to clean your wheel arches. One of my pet hates. I'm not being personal, i'm just talking in general.
11. devilsadvocate Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2006 Maidstone Posts: 8210 Golf TDI

    #11 25th June 2012, 21:22

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DanTvts Yes well dirt etc is still going to get trapped between the liner and arch, just because you have arch liners doesn't mean you don't have to clean your wheel arches. One of my pet hates. I'm not being personal, i'm just talking in general.

    Holes were there when i bought the car, i got the welding done
12. user_45140 Infrequent Poster Joined: Jun 2010 Braintree Essex Posts: 220 98 Mango West Coast and 00 focus zetec

    #12 26th June 2012, 12:55

    my westie aint got them and the door shuts are full of shit. also found when driving in snow the tyres threw up loads of slush and ice into the shuts and made opening the doors difficult. found out that the previous owner had fitted the wrong offset wheels and thats why they were removed.
13. saladdodger Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 669

    #13 26th June 2012, 15:01

    Well i still have them, im fitting new coil springs tomorrow so maybe put them back, my cars are washed 2-3 time over about 10 days so wont be that bad.
14. user_55763 Frequent Poster Joined: Oct 2011 Milton Keynes Posts: 869 2000 Citroen Saxo 1.0L

    #14 26th June 2012, 16:10

    You dont have too have them on, but you should.
15. Pricklep Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 31279 Citroen Saxo VTS, S60 D5

    #15 26th June 2012, 16:19

    Theres a reason cars have these.
16. jasonmayall Established Member Joined: Mar 2011 Birmingham Posts: 2148 Rover BRM, Rover 800 Coupe, Mk6 golf.

    #16 26th June 2012, 17:38

    Mine didnt come with any...And i know for a fact they have been off for at least 3 years.
    both the doors are fucked. Theres rust, but thankfully it hasnt gone all the way through. the doors are a paint to open and close now, really loud clunking noise (could be the pins though!) and the electrics are shagged.
    I would leave them on if you dont have a real need to take them off
17. saladdodger Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 669

    #17 26th June 2012, 17:42

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Prickle Theres a reason cars have these.

    Theres a reason cars have airbags on steering wheels, people remove them but that looks sick yo!!!
    
    
    
18. Pricklep Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 31279 Citroen Saxo VTS, S60 D5

    #18 26th June 2012, 17:43

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by saladdodger Theres a reason cars have airbags on steering wheels, people remove them but that looks sick yo!!!

    Innit maytee...
19. user_31412 Established Member Joined: Feb 2009 ★ West / North Yorkshire ★ Posts: 1653

    #19 26th June 2012, 18:19

    By law, you do actually need to inner wheel arch covers on
20. jasonmayall Established Member Joined: Mar 2011 Birmingham Posts: 2148 Rover BRM, Rover 800 Coupe, Mk6 golf.

    #20 26th June 2012, 18:22

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by outrage_uk By law, you do actually need to inner wheel arch covers on

    Mine passed its MOT without?
21. user_7393 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Oct 2005 North Yorkshire Posts: 4014 Audi A4

    #21 27th June 2012, 11:59

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by outrage_uk By law, you do actually need to inner wheel arch covers on

    By law, no you don't.
    
    But that's like saying, by law, do you need to close your sunroof during a massive rain storm?
22. user_31412 Established Member Joined: Feb 2009 ★ West / North Yorkshire ★ Posts: 1653

    #22 27th June 2012, 14:25

    No its not.
23. user_31412 Established Member Joined: Feb 2009 ★ West / North Yorkshire ★ Posts: 1653

    #23 27th June 2012, 14:48

    The Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986
    
    
    
    4th + 5th paragraph...
24. iVTR Established Member Joined: May 2012 Posts: 1355 Mk2 Silver VTR

    #24 27th June 2012, 23:09

    Yeah but is that 'law' or just a good bending over?
25. user_31412 Established Member Joined: Feb 2009 ★ West / North Yorkshire ★ Posts: 1653

    #25 27th June 2012, 23:36

    Its law as in, contrary to section whatever of The Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations Act 1986... the car can't have any parts showing that make it dangerous to anyone (which includes taking wheel arch liners off ).
    
    Obviously in reality and common sense, you can take them off if you want... i was just saying
26. Pricklep Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 31279 Citroen Saxo VTS, S60 D5

    #26 27th June 2012, 23:38

    Dudes you's are arguing about inner arches. As far as im concerned they should be in. (imo)
    
    Whats next dust caps
27. user_31412 Established Member Joined: Feb 2009 ★ West / North Yorkshire ★ Posts: 1653

    #27 27th June 2012, 23:55

    Im not arguing ... just answering OP's questions...
    
    "Has anyone taken theirs out and got rid of them??" - Yep (car sold to me without em)
    
    "Are they really needed?" - By law, yeh
    
    "Any issues without them in like water into engine bay?" - Shit on inner door pillars
    
    "Wondered if i can get away without them." - Probably... unless you get stopped by a wanker from west yorkshire police
28. Goodallthedog L-plater Joined: Jun 2012 Chesterfield Posts: 84 mk2 VTR silver

    #28 28th June 2012, 08:29

    i had 1 missing once all the clutch and gearbox was getting wet threw and corroding
29. saladdodger Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 669

    #29 28th June 2012, 14:19

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by outrage_uk By law, you do actually need to inner wheel arch covers on

    
    
    

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jasonmayall Mine passed its MOT without?

    mine too
    
    

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by outrage_uk The Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986 4th + 5th paragraph...

    OMG