Best way to tune my 1.4

1. jamiep Regular Poster Joined: Aug 2006 S Wales Posts: 438 Citroen Saxo Westcoast

   #1 7th August 2006, 01:20

   Whats the tried and tested ways for best tuning my westcoast? iv heard an enclosed induction kit and full system is pretty good? any other ways to get good power? thanks
2. hesslevtr Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2004 Hull (England) Posts: 18709 1.6 vtr

   #2 7th August 2006, 01:23

   enclosed kits are best
   
   how about save money toget a vtr/vts conversion as it will be more bhp per £
3. jamiep Regular Poster Joined: Aug 2006 S Wales Posts: 438 Citroen Saxo Westcoast

   #3 7th August 2006, 03:07

   i dont really wanna change the engine cos of the insurance! yeh ill deffinately be getting a filter, what are the cituning full systems like do ya know?? cheers
4. hesslevtr Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2004 Hull (England) Posts: 18709 1.6 vtr

   #4 7th August 2006, 10:48

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by jamiep i dont really wanna change the engine cos of the insurance! yeh ill deffinately be getting a filter, what are the cituning full systems like do ya know?? cheers

   well you will have to tell your insurance company of the mods
   
   i dont know about the cituning sytems piper or magnex for me
5. Ry_B Frequent Poster Joined: Aug 2006 Solihull Posts: 798 RX8 231

   #5 7th August 2006, 10:50

   Best way to tune it? Stick a supercharged VTS lump in there.
   
   Oh, what's your budget?
6. R4T Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4630

   #6 7th August 2006, 11:25

   gmc motorsport squeezed 141bhp from a citroen ax gt engine,so cant see why you couldnt get that out your 1! tune a 1.4 and be different i think you could suprise a few people
7. bullit Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux

   #7 7th August 2006, 11:30

   a system and induction is a start but i wouldnt call that tuning. just leave it at that and then wait till you get something quicker
8. Sean Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2005 St Andrews United Kingdom (Scotland) Posts: 7384 Green mk1 vtr/s and Focus zetec

   #8 7th August 2006, 11:38

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by wickedsaxo gmc motorsport squeezed 141bhp from a citroen ax gt engine,so cant see why you couldnt get that out your 1! tune a 1.4 and be different i think you could suprise a few people

   with high compression, wild cams and twin carbs. nightmare to live with everyday and good luck passing an mot with that set up.
   
   the 1.4 has been turbocharged and supercharged, just depends how far you want to go and how deep your pockets are. personally i'd leave it until i could afford the insurance on either something with a bigger engine or an engine transplant.
9. mark_saxo Frequent Poster Joined: May 2005 Posts: 839

   #9 7th August 2006, 12:45

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by hesslevtr well you will have to tell your insurance company of the mods

   you'll be surprised how many folk dont. i have declared everything on my car.sack driving about with uninsured mods, thats just silly.
10. jamiep Regular Poster Joined: Aug 2006 S Wales Posts: 438 Citroen Saxo Westcoast

    #10 7th August 2006, 14:20

    a guy on another forum said he would sell me an s1 rallye inlet and throttle body with or without an ax gti ecu and loom which he said should push power to the 100bhp mark?
11. Wolz Established Member Joined: Dec 2005 South Wales Posts: 1226 K3 NMY Saxo VTS Missing S781 DYJ VTR Turbo

    #11 7th August 2006, 15:02

    What year is your Furio as the S1 Rallye inlet will only the old Black top lumps
12. Wolz Established Member Joined: Dec 2005 South Wales Posts: 1226 K3 NMY Saxo VTS Missing S781 DYJ VTR Turbo

    #12 7th August 2006, 15:06

    Where abouts in South Wales you from mate ? ? ? (off topic i know sorry)
    
    The best increase on a 1.4 would be probably be Cam,filter,full system etc but then its big money for little gains
13. jamiep Regular Poster Joined: Aug 2006 S Wales Posts: 438 Citroen Saxo Westcoast

    #13 7th August 2006, 17:15

    T reg mate, Llanelli. It does add up to a lot of cash and still prob wudnt be as quick as a vtr!
14. Karl Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2006 Ashford Posts: 25611 LY R26

    #14 7th August 2006, 20:29

    ....1.4's are grp 5, why not sell and buy a VTR which is a 7
    saves alot of tuning? x
15. jamiep Regular Poster Joined: Aug 2006 S Wales Posts: 438 Citroen Saxo Westcoast

    #15 8th August 2006, 03:27

    yeh does make sense but i jus read a thread from a guy with a quiksilver who had 87.5bhp from jus a full system and decat and an enclosed filter which he reckoned with the 1.4 box was better acceleration than a vtr?
16. max_saxo Infrequent Poster Joined: Mar 2006 Telford Posts: 209 Saxo Vtr Y Reg 2 Tone Paint One 98b

    #16 8th August 2006, 14:55

    dnt think its going to out accelerate my vtr and mine the 98 bhp one. basically just save and wait for a better engine. i have a vtr and not doin that much to the engine so a 1.4 woudlnt be much point mate
17. CampDavid Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Bedford Posts: 7457 Saxo VTS Peugeot 306 GTI-6 Astra SRI

    #17 8th August 2006, 15:16

    The 1.4 is a nice lightweight engine though
18. GT3 Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2004 Chesterfield Posts: 678 Cammed Stripped VTS and Daily Driver VTS

    #18 8th August 2006, 15:19

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wolz What year is your Furio as the S1 Rallye inlet will only the old Black top lumps

    Nope will fit early silvertops too with the single plug ecu as the port spacing is the same. It changed when they put the cat in the manifold and the 3 plug ecu.
19. jamiep Regular Poster Joined: Aug 2006 S Wales Posts: 438 Citroen Saxo Westcoast

    #19 9th August 2006, 02:07

    Hes askin £90 for the inlet and throttle body which he says should push power to around 100bhp, dont no if this is true or not? plus with a full system, decat and filter should push out some decent power for a 1.4 shouldnt it?
20. S34MER East Midlands Joined: Jun 2006 Derby Posts: 8305 Skoda Fabia VRS

    #20 9th August 2006, 07:20

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by max_saxo dnt think its going to out accelerate my vtr and mine the 98 bhp one. basically just save and wait for a better engine. i have a vtr and not doin that much to the engine so a 1.4 woudlnt be much point mate

    I agree but if he put a performance the cam in there and got a re-map he would keep up with a VTR to 60 no problem! the furio is 16v remeber!
    
    

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jamiep Hes askin £90 for the inlet and throttle body which he says should push power to around 100bhp, dont no if this is true or not? plus with a full system, decat and filter should push out some decent power for a 1.4 shouldnt it?

    dont think you'll see 100bhp to be honest mate! and as Wolz said it will only fit the black top engine, so check before you buy!
21. ChrisJ Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Sep 2005 Widnes United Kingdom (England) Posts: 3517 Saxo furio

    #21 9th August 2006, 10:40

    Furio's are 8v.
22. jamiep Regular Poster Joined: Aug 2006 S Wales Posts: 438 Citroen Saxo Westcoast

    #22 11th August 2006, 00:29

    wish it was 16v mate!
23. TU-Tuning Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2006 Bristol Posts: 16575 JP4urio, 306 DTurbo SportShed

    #23 11th August 2006, 00:48

    If it was 16v it would be up with the VTR i would think.
24. kornlover30 Established Member Joined: May 2006 Bordon, between Guildford & Portsmouth Posts: 1241 306 GTi 6, Group N 205 GTi 1.9 Fast road / Track c

    #24 11th August 2006, 18:26

    Go with a 106xsi head, ecu and inlet manifold (can be picked up easy from scrap yards), four branch, and closed induction, should be pushin 110bhp!
25. Ivan106 L-plater Joined: Oct 2004 Norway Posts: 50

    #25 11th August 2006, 22:40

    What about the 106 1,4 xsi head and 1,3 rallye inlet? It's a very nice sound with the rallye inlet:thumbup:
26. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #26 11th August 2006, 23:10

    i have headr the westcoast and furio heads aren't worth tuning.
    stick an AX gti engine in if you wanna keep it a 1.4??
27. kornlover30 Established Member Joined: May 2006 Bordon, between Guildford & Portsmouth Posts: 1241 306 GTi 6, Group N 205 GTi 1.9 Fast road / Track c

    #27 12th August 2006, 13:07

    or just stick an xsi lump in, got mine running at 123bhp with a bit of money! lol!
28. jamiep Regular Poster Joined: Aug 2006 S Wales Posts: 438 Citroen Saxo Westcoast

    #28 16th August 2006, 00:26

    cheers kornlover the 106xsi head ecu and inlet sounds like a shit hot idea mate, will deffinately be tracking them down in local scrappys!
29. reckersno1 L-plater Joined: May 2006 plymouth United Kingdom (England) Posts: 80 saxo westcoast

    #29 17th August 2006, 17:20

    ive got a westy to and im looking at spending 1000 pound on tuning without a conversion.
30. jamiep Regular Poster Joined: Aug 2006 S Wales Posts: 438 Citroen Saxo Westcoast

    #30 19th August 2006, 02:12

    kornlover30 do i jus need the ecu or have i gotta get the xsi loom 2 ? cheers
31. kornlover30 Established Member Joined: May 2006 Bordon, between Guildford & Portsmouth Posts: 1241 306 GTi 6, Group N 205 GTi 1.9 Fast road / Track c

    #31 19th August 2006, 14:37

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jamiep kornlover30 do i jus need the ecu or have i gotta get the xsi loom 2 ? cheers

    You will need the loom too mate, best thing u can do is buy a crashed one then theres everythin u need!
32. jamiep Regular Poster Joined: Aug 2006 S Wales Posts: 438 Citroen Saxo Westcoast

    #32 20th August 2006, 12:28

    ok cheers mate, its mainly the ecu that gives it more power thn?
33. HyperLemon Newbie Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 4

    #33 20th August 2006, 16:22

    My westcoast is producing 78bhp @ the wheels (about 95-100bhp fly)
    My mods are:
    
    Kent cam PT40 re-grind
    Raceland 4-2-1
    Open K&N
    and some headwork i did myself
    
    i have a S1 inlet to go on yet, just got some problems setting up the idle speed.
34. jamiep Regular Poster Joined: Aug 2006 S Wales Posts: 438 Citroen Saxo Westcoast

    #34 20th August 2006, 19:01

    i thought they produce 75bhp as standard? or is that at the flyweel?
35. Saxoladlesta Established Member Joined: Apr 2006 Leicester Posts: 1918 Fiesta ST

    #35 20th August 2006, 19:38

    I thought it was 75bhp same as a Furio
36. jamiep Regular Poster Joined: Aug 2006 S Wales Posts: 438 Citroen Saxo Westcoast

    #36 20th August 2006, 20:52

    What have u done then kornlover30 put a 1.4xsi engine in? what mods have u done to produce that power?
37. HyperLemon Newbie Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 4

    #37 20th August 2006, 21:49

    the westcoast and furio both produce 75bhp @ the fly, so about 55-60 @ the wheels
38. kornlover30 Established Member Joined: May 2006 Bordon, between Guildford & Portsmouth Posts: 1241 306 GTi 6, Group N 205 GTi 1.9 Fast road / Track c

    #38 20th August 2006, 22:56

    The 106xsi produces 99.7bhp as standard (the earler models which are pre cat) which is due to the size of the valve heads. Now putting a cam, a ported and polished head, a four branch, re-map, lightened and balanced flywheel will significantly up the bhp and thats just for starters!
    P.s im running a mainly standard engine in the saxo, used to have an xsi which i spent serious money on!
39. addictedtosax Established Member Joined: Jun 2005 Dalkeith (Edinburgh) United Kingdom (Scotland) Posts: 1162 MKII Saxo 1.1i

    #39 22nd August 2006, 19:40

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by max_saxo dnt think its going to out accelerate my vtr and mine the 98 bhp one.

    not sure i agree there bud, the 1.4 engine is lighter than the 1.6 and the if he could get his up to 87bhp im willing to bet that up until maybe 70mph he'd give any 98bhp vtr a run for their money.
    
    My mate has a 1.4 leon and i only have a 1.1. His car has 75bhp and mine has 65 but because of the weight differences i could waste him unless we got to over 70mph.
    
    
    and to answer the original thread, what i would to do is just chuck a backbox and maybe and enclosed filter on leave it at that, no point tuning a 1.4 to much imo, ask andy(certifiable) how much he has spent on his 1.4 lol
40. jamiep Regular Poster Joined: Aug 2006 S Wales Posts: 438 Citroen Saxo Westcoast

    #40 23rd August 2006, 14:17

    so basically save up the money im goin 2 spend on an exhaust, manifold, filter etc and spend it on a vts conversion-job done!
41. saxobutty Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2005 Blackpool United Kingdom (England) Posts: 169

    #41 15th September 2006, 14:55

    do they even do an enclosed induction kit for a 1.4 mk1? coz ive never come across one for the westcoasts
42. hesslevtr Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2004 Hull (England) Posts: 18709 1.6 vtr

    #42 15th September 2006, 14:58

    bmc are universal so will fit
43. T0BY L-plater Joined: Oct 2005 South Wales Posts: 63 Seat Leon mk2 TDI

    #43 15th September 2006, 15:09

    Bit off topic, but i go to college in Llanelli
    
    as said above, i say save the time and money and get a VTS lump, or just a VTS a 1.4 is never really going to be that fast, even if you tune it.
44. Josh_Phipps Established Member Joined: Jun 2006 Aylesbury, Bucks Posts: 1867 Mk 2 Vtr (sold), Fiat Seciento Sporting

    #44 15th September 2006, 15:21

    Put a match to the petrol tank....