Important! : no spark

1. user_57844 Infrequent Poster Joined: Mar 2012 llanharan Posts: 178 saxo furio c2 gt conversion

   #1 2nd July 2012, 13:25

   did a vts convesrion with a furio got a unlocked e.c.u
   
   i have fuel coming out of the injectors but no spark
   
   can anyone help i used a 106gti single plug ecu and ryan from here unlocked it for me
   
   
   
   any help?
2. user_20080 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2007 smurfland. Posts: 17346 Ex saxo owner.

   #2 2nd July 2012, 14:17

   Crank sensor plugged in/try swapping it all the earths ok?
3. user_57844 Infrequent Poster Joined: Mar 2012 llanharan Posts: 178 saxo furio c2 gt conversion

   #3 2nd July 2012, 14:23

   all earths are ok and crank sensor is good
4. Beaniemoo Established Member Joined: Oct 2008 Milton Keynes Posts: 1210 Yellow 106 Rallye

   #4 2nd July 2012, 14:25

   Do you have a feed to your coilpack?
   You should have 12v at the coil (big light blue wire I think) when cranking the engine
5. user_57844 Infrequent Poster Joined: Mar 2012 llanharan Posts: 178 saxo furio c2 gt conversion

   #5 2nd July 2012, 14:43

   yeah got the 12v when cranking to
6. user_57844 Infrequent Poster Joined: Mar 2012 llanharan Posts: 178 saxo furio c2 gt conversion

   #6 2nd July 2012, 14:47

   sorry its 10v
7. user_57844 Infrequent Poster Joined: Mar 2012 llanharan Posts: 178 saxo furio c2 gt conversion

   #7 2nd July 2012, 15:01

   bump
   
   any one?
8. Beaniemoo Established Member Joined: Oct 2008 Milton Keynes Posts: 1210 Yellow 106 Rallye

   #8 2nd July 2012, 15:14

   Without being with the car it's hard to think!
   100% no spark yes?
   How did you check?
   You'll have to start checking the switching side of the coil wiring back to the ecu!
   You said all the earths were ok, have you got the black coil earth with the suppressor in it fitted to earth?
   With one pin from your multimeter in the light blue and one in the black wire do you get 10-12v showing on your multimeter when cranking?
9. user_57844 Infrequent Poster Joined: Mar 2012 llanharan Posts: 178 saxo furio c2 gt conversion

   #9 2nd July 2012, 15:26

   Without being with the car it's hard to think!
   100% no spark yes?
   How did you check?
   You'll have to start checking the switching side of the coil wiring back to the ecu!
   You said all the earths were ok, have you got the black coil earth with the suppressor in it fitted to earth?
   With one pin from your multimeter in the light blue and one in the black wire do you get 10-12v showing on your multimeter when cranking?
   
   
   
   100% no spark
   coil out with plugs in and rest on cam cover
   yes suppressor to earth well bolted to block
   just checked light blue pin to black wire and getting 9.7v when cranking
   thanks for the help
   
   also its a 106 gti loom single plug, are they ment to have a fuel cut off as no plug for one on this loom and fuel gauge goes up and down case this is linked
10. Beaniemoo Established Member Joined: Oct 2008 Milton Keynes Posts: 1210 Yellow 106 Rallye

    #10 2nd July 2012, 15:48

    It's a 106 gti loom into a Saxo?
    I have done several 16v conversions and 106 looms do not work in Saxo's!?
    Though the one we had problems with didn't work in many many ways, so it seems odd that the only problem you have is no spark!?
    Technically as you have a feed and earth at your coilpack, the other 2 wires go straight back to the control unit to be actuated to create a spark so it wouldn't matter what the loom is out of!?
    Have you just plugged the loom in or cut and soldered it?
    If its a gti loom you should have a second white plug on it that goes into the inner wing, what did you do with that plug?
    Or if it's a Saxo loom it has 2 plugs that go straight into the bottom of the fusebox to feed your ignition relay.
    Is it a known good running engine and coilpack?
    Do you have a fault code reader?
    Where are you located?
11. user_54826 Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2011 Patras Greece Posts: 352 Ford Focus 2.5 ST Citroen Saxo Vts 16v race car

    #11 2nd July 2012, 15:59

    Are you sure the ecu is unlocked?? Sounds like immobiliser to me ,
    does the dash beep continually when cranking???
12. user_57844 Infrequent Poster Joined: Mar 2012 llanharan Posts: 178 saxo furio c2 gt conversion

    #12 2nd July 2012, 16:00

    we cut and soldered wires
    i cut that off when soldering loom what was that for lol
    i only have 2 wires not connected from engine loom they are 142 & 870
    yes engine is fine coilpack good tried spare to be sure
13. Beaniemoo Established Member Joined: Oct 2008 Milton Keynes Posts: 1210 Yellow 106 Rallye

    #13 2nd July 2012, 16:06

    Sounds like you might have issues with where you've spliced the looms together?
    If you look at the ignition relay there is a wiring diagram for it drawn on it.
    You can use that to check if you have all the feeds where they need to be.
    As I said, the feeds for the Saxo ignition relays come straight off the bottom of the fusebox on their own plug connection on the engine loom, where as 106 they come from elsewhere! So even if you have connected all the wires across you won't have the feeds for the ignition relay as on a Saxo they don't come through that plug!
    Unfortunately you might be a bit on your own from here on as it's a very individual fault as you've done the cutting and soldering!
    Please don't just start fitting components
    
    Best of luck
14. user_57844 Infrequent Poster Joined: Mar 2012 llanharan Posts: 178 saxo furio c2 gt conversion

    #14 2nd July 2012, 16:50

    thanks well i took relay live straight to battery for nw and still no luck i put the relay from furio in and i got 12v at coil pack with out cranking this is very strange it not guna beat me tho lol
15. user_57844 Infrequent Poster Joined: Mar 2012 llanharan Posts: 178 saxo furio c2 gt conversion

    #15 2nd July 2012, 17:03

    does anyone have ryanmt's contact detals i just took fuel rail out and its not spraying fuel, pump is priming and returns to tank maybe thinking ecu problem nw
16. user_57844 Infrequent Poster Joined: Mar 2012 llanharan Posts: 178 saxo furio c2 gt conversion

    #16 2nd July 2012, 18:30

    all sorted now spoke to ryan and he helped me sort it turned out to be a c2 coil pack wireing problem
    
    jobs a goodun