best brake upgrade and what you need (need details please *experts only!)

2nd July 2012, 19:44

after talking about upgrading my vts brakes up to grooved and drilled discs etc.
i was told to think about a brake upgrade.

basically i just want to find out what ones are available and what i actually need to do the conversion i don't want to get half way and then find out i need this and that extra as i want to calculate the cost etc.

i am looking to track in the future but for at least a year just road use till its fully built etc.

please include in your answer approved % approx and what you fully need to do. also I'm going to be running 15inch wheels (atm vts wheels)

all help is very much appriceated

2nd July 2012, 19:52

266 calipers from any number of peugeots
Good fluid
Good quality plain disks
Decent uprated pads
Custom length braided lines <removed>

2nd July 2012, 19:54

Only got a little bit of knowledge but will share anyway

266mm is biggest you can go without changing the master cylinder. Will fit under 14" wheels. From 306/berlingo

Not sure what from but 283mm will require a new mc and will fit under 15" wheels

2nd July 2012, 19:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by swampy

266 calipers from any number of peugeots
Good fluid
Good quality plain disks
Decent uprated pads
Custom length braided lines

I would agree, I had 266mm callipers and carriers from Mikol.

Mine were running on standard mintex pads and discs with rubber hoses.

Even without braided lines and "uprated" pads they would still try and snap your neck! A good example was driving through MK on the 247s I could 2 or 3 roundabouts before getting fade, when I swapped them, I was doing nearly 15 roundabouts before I noticed any fade, and even when I did they would cool down quite well.

2nd July 2012, 20:11

Ive got a set off wilwood calipers midilite calipers on front brakes with braided flexis under a set of 15" pro race 1.2 wheels. Used yellow stuff with groved and drilled discs and now using mintex 1144 pads and solid discs. Done donny and nurburgring without any fade. They are brilliant brakes but not the cheapest. I havent changed my master cylinder to a bigger one but theres bin no probs with the standard one

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2nd July 2012, 20:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisE

Not sure what from but 283mm will require a new mc and will fit under 15" wheels

Dont need new mc i'am using a standerd Furio and its fine, has a little pedal travel.

2nd July 2012, 20:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cam

Dont need new mc i'am using a standerd Furio and its fine, has a little pedal travel.

Same mate little travel but no probs

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2nd July 2012, 20:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cam

Dont need new mc i'am using a standerd Furio and its fine, has a little pedal travel.

My bad! If you want no travel get a new mc

2nd July 2012, 22:01

so your looking at

carriers
calipers
new flex braided hoses
pads and discs

2nd July 2012, 22:06

Whats your budget mate? Theres a fair few light weight 4 & 6 pot 305mm/283mm/290mm out there

2nd July 2012, 22:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom5190

Whats your budget mate? Theres a fair few light weight 4 & 6 pot 305mm/283mm/290mm out there

tbh i hated the brakes in my vtr they were stupid lethal!
i haven't really drove on my vts brakes and when i did for a very short second they are shot anyway lol but I'm just looking at upgrading in the process of replacing to save money.. i don't want to spend stupid money if unnecessary so its that more than anything... "is it cost effective"

3rd July 2012, 00:33

Think my 266mm calipers and brand new brembo discs set me back 80-90 quid. Quick lick of paint and some £20 mintex pads and had a fresh and upgraded set

10th July 2012, 11:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by DreamEater

I would agree, I had 266mm callipers and carriers from Mikol.

Mine were running on standard mintex pads and discs with rubber hoses.

Even without braided lines and "uprated" pads they would still try and snap your neck! A good example was driving through MK on the 247s I could 2 or 3 roundabouts before getting fade, when I swapped them, I was doing nearly 15 roundabouts before I noticed any fade, and even when I did they would cool down quite well.

Thanks for the recommendation

OT: It's been a while - are you still about these days?

10th July 2012, 13:01

My discs and pads needed changing so i thought why not upgrade, came across some 266mm on ebay with new standard discs and pads for £45 so i just had to have them.
The difference is amazing, although i had to press them fairly sharply the other day and i blew out the brake line, so i think defo get some braided lines.

10th July 2012, 13:06

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=350515

10th July 2012, 13:11

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Sounds like yours got stretched due to being too short and thus burst!!!

10th July 2012, 13:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by swampy

Sounds like yours got stretched due to being too short and thus burst!!!

I will take you up on that, but not just yet as ive got problems with wheels rubbing some need to fork out on some new tires.
How much are they btw

10th July 2012, 16:30

I ran 266mm from a berlingo with oem pagid discs and pads.

Ran them on track without issues tbh - untill the bug caught hard then i went for 4pots

more than ample for the novice trackday goer.

10th July 2012, 18:26

the best upgrade is usally good discs and pads for the standard brakes but this is usually the most expensive option aas when i talk about decpnt pads i mean £150-200 per set

266 is popular as they are good and dotn weigh a tonne like the gti6 brakes, i have gti6 brakes but i dont care about the weight of the them, i bought calipers(already been ground to fit saxo strut), oem pads and maxtorq grp n discs witha liter of dot 5.1, running them with oem hoses

if budget is not an issue then you can get STUPIDLY light 4/6 pot brakes as tom said

12th July 2012, 17:02

i have a full 406 brembo 4pot conversion for sale..

calipers
braided lines al round
bolt to hub spacers
discs and pads (pagid)

pm if intrested