MOT faulire help needed please

7th July 2012, 18:29

ok so had the dreaded MOT today on my mk1 vts and the results where as follows:

Reasons for refusal of a test certificate

001 Exhaust emmissions carbon monoxide content after 2nd fast idle excessive [7.3.D.4]

002 Exhaust emmissions carbon monoxide content at idle excessive [7.3.D.5]

Advisory items

004 Nearside front tyre worn

005 Strong advise corrosion on nearside floor at front

006 Corrosion on suspension

007 Airbag light on

008 Cambelt cover missing

009 Items removed from drivers view prior to test

ok that the bad news part now onto how to rectify

The garage have recommended i replace the lambda and cat so i have had a read up and from what i can see as long as its the right size i can use a different lambda but will need to cut the plug off and rewire it one of the post on here recommended the following Lambda

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2907293313...84.m1423.l2649

If this is ok how do i go about wiring up the four wires i.e are they same colour or different colours does anyone know ? so thats the Lamabda part

Onto the Cat can anyone recommend a place to get one that is not going to cost me a small fortune ?

Headlamp aim to high now i did not ask about this but they never offered to rectify would this just be a case of having to be realigned which i know i will have to pay for as you get nothing for free ?

So onto the advisories and this is where i get a little concerned

Corrosion on nearside floor plan when i asked about this he said he did not want to start poking it and it was quite bad of course not seeing it makes any advice difficult to give but would this be a case of having a plate welded in or would this lead to a structral problem ?

Corrosion on suspension it does not say what this means but i assume something as it says is corroded but guess this can be replaced but dont really know what exactly is corroded.

Airbag light due to these new mot laws i though i better check and i never took any notice when i got the car that the airbag light did not come on so upon inspection the bulb had been removed obviously to hide this hmmm so i have read the posts on here and have disconnected and reconnected the plug under the drivers seat but its still on, i have read about the ring on the steering wheel being replaced but im not sure what this is actually called ?

Other then that is there anything else i should be looking for ?

Right so thats my lenghty post done but would really appreciate some advice on the above points.

Thanks for any advice in advance

7th July 2012, 18:31

On a side note i had a rear tyre replaced at the same garage last week and was advised my rear brake pads where low yet this does not appear on the advisory and was not mentioned surely that should be on there ?

7th July 2012, 18:31

Front corrorsion on the nearside will probs be the jacking point underneath. Common iirc.

7th July 2012, 18:36

I got a bosch lambda from GSF that is a direct replacement, £80 though.

This seems reasonable http://www.cats2u.co.uk/product_info...ducts_id=29082

Have you not got a roller switch inside to the right of the steering wheels to adjust height?

To be honest mate id find out how bad that welding work is before you do anything else

7th July 2012, 19:25

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Originally Posted by saladdodger

I got a bosch lambda from GSF that is a direct replacement, £80 though.

This seems reasonable http://www.cats2u.co.uk/product_info...ducts_id=29082

Have you not got a roller switch inside to the right of the steering wheels to adjust height?

To be honest mate id find out how bad that welding work is before you do anything else

Direct fit lambdas are well expensive hence why im after a cheap one after all the car is 15 years old lol

As its a mk1 the cat is in the middle of the car so that one wont fit

Yeah i got the roller if it works is another matter though i guess but it is set on 0

As for corrosion i will need to jack it up (probably best not to usejacking point based on comment above ?) and see what it looks like to be honest as difficult to say until i see it with my own eyes as im just going on what i have been told.

7th July 2012, 19:26

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Originally Posted by Prickle

Front corrorsion on the nearside will probs be the jacking point underneath. Common iirc.

Is this repairable and if so what would it generally cost if so ?

7th July 2012, 19:30

yes would probably be repairable. jack it up. take a pic and post it up. see if i could estimate a repair cost.

7th July 2012, 19:38

Well i have read it again and i jacked up the car at this jacking point last week and cant say i noticed anything unusual but was not really looking to be honest.

Will try jack it up tomorrow and take pics only prob i have is i only have the standard jack so dont rear wanna use the jacking point if it is fucked maybe i can get my hand under with phone to take pics lol

7th July 2012, 19:39

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Originally Posted by GeeDawg

Well i have read it again and i jacked up the car at this jacking point last week and cant say i noticed anything unusual but was not really looking to be honest.

Will try jack it up tomorrow and take pics only prob i have is i only have the standard jack so dont rear wanna use the jacking point if it is fucked maybe i can get my hand under with phone to take pics lol

ye get your phone under there.lol

7th July 2012, 19:40

Ignore me im talking bollox i jacked up the other side of the car whats wrong with left and right haha

going to pop out now actually and take some pics guess there is no time like the present when its raining aswell lol

7th July 2012, 20:25

7th July 2012, 20:52

001 Exhaust emmissions carbon monoxide content after 2nd fast idle excessive [7.3.D.4]
New cat ? Or scrappy for a used one (if its clean, you know its new-ish)
New lambda? Or scrappy for a used one (if its clean, you know its new-ish)
002 Exhaust emmissions carbon monoxide content at idle excessive [7.3.D.5]
New cat ? Or scrappy for a used one (if its clean, you know its new-ish)
New lambda? Or scrappy for a used one (if its clean, you know its new-ish)

Advisory items

004 Nearside front tyre worn
New tyre
005 Strong advise corrosion on nearside floor at front
Weld in a new panel? (if its not bad, get some rust treatment and treat it, then paint over it too match the underside)
006 Corrosion on suspension
Replace suspension components needed
007 Airbag light on
Investigate further - possible pre-tensioners cable
008 Cambelt cover missing
Get from a scrappy/saxP
009 Items removed from drivers view prior to test
Remove items from the way next time

7th July 2012, 20:55

Id look into getting it done like lol.

7th July 2012, 20:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by AnthonyMartin

001 Exhaust emmissions carbon monoxide content after 2nd fast idle excessive [7.3.D.4]
New cat ? Or scrappy for a used one (if its clean, you know its new-ish)
New lambda? Or scrappy for a used one (if its clean, you know its new-ish)
002 Exhaust emmissions carbon monoxide content at idle excessive [7.3.D.5]
New cat ? Or scrappy for a used one (if its clean, you know its new-ish)
New lambda? Or scrappy for a used one (if its clean, you know its new-ish)

Advisory items

004 Nearside front tyre worn
New tyre
005 Strong advise corrosion on nearside floor at front
Weld in a new panel? (if its not bad, get some rust treatment and treat it, then paint over it too match the underside)
006 Corrosion on suspension
Replace suspension components needed
007 Airbag light on
Investigate further - possible pre-tensioners cable
008 Cambelt cover missing
Get from a scrappy/saxP
009 Items removed from drivers view prior to test
Remove items from the way next time

Is it just me or do good old fashioned scrapyards seems to be difficult to find these days everything is online which means they charge more and i cant even find a local bloody scrappy grrr.

The advisories i kind of guessed the answers to i aint that bad lol

Think i will worry about getting it through the mot and the corrosion before i worry about the others lol

7th July 2012, 21:00

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Originally Posted by Prickle

Id look into getting it done like lol.

Which one you referring to lol ?

7th July 2012, 21:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeeDawg

Is it just me or do good old fashioned scrapyards seems to be difficult to find these days everything is online which means they charge more and i cant even find a local bloody scrappy grrr.

The advisories i kind of guessed the answers to i aint that bad lol

Think i will worry about getting it through the mot and the corrosion before i worry about the others lol

Yeah, best place is saxP for parts sometimes!

Enough cars are breaking on here to get everything you need (may need to take an hour drive) but you can get them. Also, just focus on the stuff to pass the MOT. The rest can be done whenever

7th July 2012, 21:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeeDawg

Which one you referring to lol ?

Oh erm the rust.

7th July 2012, 21:09

not half as bad as my mk1 lol. get the wire brush out. kurust it. and cover it with gravi guard

7th July 2012, 21:10

Strip it, put that money + repair money towards another VTR/S IMHO

7th July 2012, 21:11

Typically the bloody cat is expensive and adds the list of cars i have had that have failed on emissions this is my fourth the worse they they ever did was invent these stupid things but of course they know will go wrong so you have to fork out to get them replaced and for most that involves a trip to a dealership to get well and truly shafted financially grrr

7th July 2012, 21:13

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Originally Posted by medz_vtrturbo

not half as bad as my mk1 lol. get the wire brush out. kurust it. and cover it with gravi guard

Cheers for the advice but what is gravi guard lol ?

7th July 2012, 21:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by saladdodger

Strip it, put that money + repair money towards another VTR/S IMHO

Thats not really an option as ive had her six months and the chances are i get another one and something else will go wrong, for her age she still looks quite tidy and the parts i need aint going to be anywhere near the cost off getting another one and at least if i get it done fingers crossed she will last me another year in which case i will be happy, cars whichever way you look at it are an endless pit anyway so i may aswell run this one till the doors fall off lol

7th July 2012, 21:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prickle

Oh erm the rust.

I could leave it and then get air con for free although the wheels might fall off first lol

On a more serious note though she aint in to bad a nick other then the above i was expecting a lot worse and was nowhere near as bad as my s reg escort which had a fail list over two a4 pages now that was certainly not built to last lol

7th July 2012, 21:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeeDawg

Typically the bloody cat is expensive and adds the list of cars i have had that have failed on emissions this is my fourth the worse they they ever did was invent these stupid things but of course they know will go wrong so you have to fork out to get them replaced and for most that involves a trip to a dealership to get well and truly shafted financially grrr

i think i have a cat for a mk1 laying around i will have a look for you

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeeDawg

Cheers for the advice but what is gravi guard lol ?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/U-pol-GRAV...item2a121de356

7th July 2012, 21:26

Cheers for that buddy let me know about the cat, the most annoying thing is i bought the car as to be a project but this has now put me off bothering doing anything else

7th July 2012, 21:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeeDawg

Cheers for that buddy let me know about the cat, the most annoying thing is i bought the car as to be a project but this has now put me off bothering doing anything else

dont be put off bud. you can source most things in the for sale section. i may also have a lambda and whatever suspension part you need. let me know as i am breaking a mk1.

7th July 2012, 21:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by medz_vtrturbo

dont be put off bud. you can source most things in the for sale section. i may also have a lambda and whatever suspension part you need. let me know as i am breaking a mk1.

Yeah just feeling a bit sorry for myself at the mo as everything is costing money i dont have grrr and having to travel a 100 mile round trip to work so need a car whilst i try to find somewhere to live nearer to my work place which is more money but at least i can then hopefully walk, cycle to work and then have time to do shit on car lol

Aint gotta clue about suspension and wont know until i get some axle stands and take a good look underneath but def interested in Cat and sensor just to get through mot

7th July 2012, 22:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeeDawg

Yeah just feeling a bit sorry for myself at the mo as everything is costing money i dont have grrr and having to travel a 100 mile round trip to work so need a car whilst i try to find somewhere to live nearer to my work place which is more money but at least i can then hopefully walk, cycle to work and then have time to do shit on car lol

Aint gotta clue about suspension and wont know until i get some axle stands and take a good look underneath but def interested in Cat and sensor just to get through mot

will take a look tomorrow. and i will let you know

7th July 2012, 22:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by medz_vtrturbo

not half as bad as my mk1 lol. get the wire brush out. kurust it. and cover it with gravi guard

You start wire brushing the 1st lot of rust in the pics & you`ll be left with a large hole mate.Unless you can get a mate to do the welding then you`re looking at roughly £100-£150 per side maybe more when they grind out the rust the hole may get bigger.

7th July 2012, 22:19

Oh pooo i did think this but the prob is unless i wire brush i wont know what is to come so im stuck between a rock and a hard place the offside aint really that bad to be honest.

Maybe i could get a better quote on here as im prepared to travel if the price is right

7th July 2012, 22:57

Here are the results for the emissions test if they mean anything to anyone as they been shit to me other then the frightening word FAILED on it lol

http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/...707_224217.jpg

8th July 2012, 01:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevo67

You start wire brushing the 1st lot of rust in the pics & you`ll be left with a large hole mate.Unless you can get a mate to do the welding then you`re looking at roughly £100-£150 per side maybe more when they grind out the rust the hole may get bigger.

I agree.....

Ive done welding (college course + job) and light resto's for years on numerous cars, my VW Camper is having a full resto as we speak, what ever you think it is you can probably add 20% cause rust is always deeper in than you can see when wire brushed off, sometimes a simple plate will do but unless you cut in out and what with the UK's shitty roads it will be back within a few months, you might get half a year out of it.

I find its the time stripping out the carpet, fuel/brake lines, and tank if it needs to. Taking risks isn't the best sometimes if ever.

8th July 2012, 04:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeeDawg

Here are the results for the emissions test if they mean anything to anyone as they been shit to me other then the frightening word FAILED on it lol

http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/...707_224217.jpg

High CO with tolerable hydrocarbons shouldn't be a faulty cat...

Replace lambda sensor (with that Bosch i recommended, wiring is standard) and give it a proper service... (change or clean air filter at least). That should sort out your emissions.

8th July 2012, 10:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by saladdodger

I agree.....

Ive done welding (college course + job) and light resto's for years on numerous cars, my VW Camper is having a full resto as we speak, what ever you think it is you can probably add 20% cause rust is always deeper in than you can see when wire brushed off, sometimes a simple plate will do but unless you cut in out and what with the UK's shitty roads it will be back within a few months, you might get half a year out of it.

I find its the time stripping out the carpet, fuel/brake lines, and tank if it needs to. Taking risks isn't the best sometimes if ever.

I do understand what you are saying about rust as it is always worse then it looks but i know nothing abouy welding tbh so lets say i get it cut out and a plate welded are you saying that come six months time it will comeback soz if that sounds a stupid question but im not sure what you meant by this comment ?

8th July 2012, 10:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by outrage_uk

High CO with tolerable hydrocarbons shouldn't be a faulty cat...

Replace lambda sensor (with that Bosch i recommended, wiring is standard) and give it a proper service... (change or clean air filter at least). That should sort out your emissions.

cheers for that if i can pick them both up cheap enough then i will replace both its that i dont just wanna replace Lambda then it fails again due to cat so i then have to get another mot done also until i take cat off i wont know if i can get the lambda off as one of my previous cars was like this got cat off but lambda had rusted itself to the cat so ended up getting both lol.

So you was the one who posted the link to it on ebay i guess as i could not remember the post but just remembered seeing it and adding to my ebay watchlist.

I am waiting on few about cat so will see how that pans out as i only have 10 days to get retest done mot expires next sat anyway so wont be driving it after then unless by some miracle i can get it done before then which is unlikely what with work,finances and other commitments i have grrrrr

8th July 2012, 14:43

Right so i have been weighing over the comments on here and yes i can replace the cat and lambda as have some good quotes for the cat from guys off here so this would get it through the mot.

However in regards to the corrosion i think my only real options are to leave it and it will get worse and may or may not last till next mot.

The other thing is to get underneath with the wire brush if holes then start appearing it is then time to strip her as not worth the time and effort for welding plus would save me paying for cat and sensor.

If you was in my position would you do the same luckily i do have access to another car so this can be off road for a while i decide what is the best thing to do ?

8th July 2012, 16:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeeDawg

I do understand what you are saying about rust as it is always worse then it looks but i know nothing abouy welding tbh so lets say i get it cut out and a plate welded are you saying that come six months time it will comeback soz if that sounds a stupid question but im not sure what you meant by this comment ?

What im saying is if you dont cut all the rust out, that rust can keep spreading, best to cut back to fresh metal and weld a new section in place, prime it, paint it, underseal it. Welding over a rusty section could and will most likely come back again.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeeDawg

Right so i have been weighing over the comments on here and yes i can replace the cat and lambda as have some good quotes for the cat from guys off here so this would get it through the mot.

However in regards to the corrosion i think my only real options are to leave it and it will get worse and may or may not last till next mot.

The other thing is to get underneath with the wire brush if holes then start appearing it is then time to strip her as not worth the time and effort for welding plus would save me paying for cat and sensor.

If you was in my position would you do the same luckily i do have access to another car so this can be off road for a while i decide what is the best thing to do ?

If i was you i would clean the underneath the best you can and find out the extent of the damage before spending money on anything else.

Might not be that bad dude. But i wouldnt leave it.

Can you get me a better shot of the area, not up close, i wanna see what else it around it, fuel lines, brake lines etc etc

EDIT: Looking at those photos again i reckon a good wire brush inserted into a drill would probably be ok, then a good prime paint and underseal.

Where do you live

8th July 2012, 16:36

Yeah i think i will give it a clean up first and see what happens as i know even if i replace the cat and sensor the urge to attack rust will be to great so think i should hit it and the worst that happens is it develops holes which either will happen if it is that bad and at least i will then know one way or the other i guess.

Im currently in Middlesex but work in Surrey why u ask buddy ?

8th July 2012, 16:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeeDawg

Yeah i think i will give it a clean up first and see what happens as i know even if i replace the cat and sensor the urge to attack rust will be to great so think i should hit it and the worst that happens is it develops holes which either will happen if it is that bad and at least i will then know one way or the other i guess.

Im currently in Middlesex but work in Surrey why u ask buddy ?

Im in slough, if you want me to have a look as a favour, little help.

I dont know how handy you are with tools and stuff like this, can be worrying if you havent come across it before.

8th July 2012, 16:50

Yeah Slough is not to far about 30 mins and it would be good to get a second opinion as im just thinking the worse to be honest as want to be realistic rather then hope for the best when would you be available to take a look though as off next Sat mot will expire so not gonna drive around without one lol.

Send me a pm and your advice/help is very much appreciated.

9th July 2012, 00:51

Sorry for not replying sooner, i broke down

EMLight came on, acting weird.

Im off work all week - I'll PM you

9th July 2012, 01:02

Want it through an MOT?

That rust isn't bad at all! I've had cars pass an MOT with 100x worse rust on. That shell is pretty good tbh.

I assume you took this to a KwikFit or another brand name place, they're cunts for doing this, their wages are based on the sales they make. Hence when they do a job, they will advise you to change X amount on your next visit.

I will get that car through an MOT if you pop it up the Bedford way.

9th July 2012, 01:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeeDawg

i only have 10 days to get retest done mot expires next sat anyway so wont be driving it after then unless by some miracle i can get it done before then which is unlikely what with work,finances and other commitments i have grrrrr

Dont worry about the 10 day half price thing mate. If youve taken it to a 'main dealer' MOT place, even if you got a half price deal first time round... with the 10 day thing, they will charge half the cost of a full MOT... so you will end up paying £27 or whatever it is.

Most places will do you a full MOT for £30 so your not loosing much really

9th July 2012, 01:17

okay, here is a £50-70 fix that will fix most of your emmisions problems, and its the exact same advise I gave some one else the other day...

have you looked at the quality of your oil, if your oil is past its prime, you may have carbon build up, my suggestion is to get a teflon coating treatment, and service it, perhaps the best thing you can do is to seafoam it, it costs about £20 and is like a 20-30 min fix (read up on it on google, and watch youtube for instructional videos (this stuff disolves insoluble carbon from your valves and really cleans the engine (it did my car the world of good as it also cleans the cat, the o2 sensors, the injectors and air intake system)), change the oil, add a teflon coating treatment or something like marvelous mystery oil (thats the really good stuff) thats what I did to fix my rough idle. takes an hour and a half, and shold cost no more than £60 including filter and oil ect, (ebay is a goodplace to get oil) (mobil1 is best in my opinion, or if you strech the budget, castrol magnetec)...

I find that a really good service fixes most emmisions issues. also a proper engine flush as well as seafoaming it is probally the best fix, and ofcourse will fix carbon build up on the cat and o2 (lambda) sensor, and if you use some in your fuel (the seafoam) it strips the varnish from your injectors and you get a cleaner spray pattern and a more efficiant burn. also check the gap on your sparks, or if there really grubby, replace them.

9th July 2012, 06:00

rt

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dom

Want it through an MOT?

That rust isn't bad at all! I've had cars pass an MOT with 100x worse rust on. That shell is pretty good tbh.

I assume you took this to a KwikFit or another brand name place, they're cunts for doing this, their wages are based on the sales they make. Hence when they do a job, they will advise you to change X amount on your next visit.

I will get that car through an MOT if you pop it up the Bedford way.

Hi, the fauil on the mot was not due to the corrsion but due to Cat and Lambda corrosion was an advisory but one that is a make or break if i will be bothered to get it through the mot as not much point in throwing money at it until i get to the bottom of the corrosion.

Funny enough it was Kwik Fit and i had a tyre changed there last week and they said rear pads where low but no mention of this on mot typically i got some new rear pads but could not get locking wheel nuts undone so did not bother doing them so though sod it i would put through yet if they where low they should be on the advisory list so i think they thought if they mention it i will just say yeah do it sneaky bastards lol.

9th July 2012, 06:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by outrage_uk

Dont worry about the 10 day half price thing mate. If youve taken it to a 'main dealer' MOT place, even if you got a half price deal first time round... with the 10 day thing, they will charge half the cost of a full MOT... so you will end up paying £27 or whatever it is.

Most places will do you a full MOT for £30 so your not loosing much really

Yeah i miss my old garage as had taken two cars there before that failed mot and on retest they done both for free but then again they did charge full price for mot in the first place and knowing Kwik Fit i guarantee they will charge a partial fee so im kind of resolved to the fact i will have to pay again anyway.

9th July 2012, 08:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by OliverJones

okay, here is a £50-70 fix that will fix most of your emmisions problems, and its the exact same advise I gave some one else the other day...

have you looked at the quality of your oil, if your oil is past its prime, you may have carbon build up, my suggestion is to get a teflon coating treatment, and service it, perhaps the best thing you can do is to seafoam it, it costs about £20 and is like a 20-30 min fix (read up on it on google, and watch youtube for instructional videos (this stuff disolves insoluble carbon from your valves and really cleans the engine (it did my car the world of good as it also cleans the cat, the o2 sensors, the injectors and air intake system)), change the oil, add a teflon coating treatment or something like marvelous mystery oil (thats the really good stuff) thats what I did to fix my rough idle. takes an hour and a half, and shold cost no more than £60 including filter and oil ect, (ebay is a goodplace to get oil) (mobil1 is best in my opinion, or if you strech the budget, castrol magnetec)...

I find that a really good service fixes most emmisions issues. also a proper engine flush as well as seafoaming it is probally the best fix, and ofcourse will fix carbon build up on the cat and o2 (lambda) sensor, and if you use some in your fuel (the seafoam) it strips the varnish from your injectors and you get a cleaner spray pattern and a more efficiant burn. also check the gap on your sparks, or if there really grubby, replace them.

Thanks for this info funny you should mention service as the plan was to get mot done then do service at the end of this month i think if corrosion is fixable then i will do service and as you have recommended then put for mot again at least i then should know for sure if lambda and cat are focked.

9th July 2012, 09:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dom

Want it through an MOT?

That rust isn't bad at all! I've had cars pass an MOT with 100x worse rust on. That shell is pretty good tbh.

I assume you took this to a KwikFit or another brand name place, they're cunts for doing this, their wages are based on the sales they make. Hence when they do a job, they will advise you to change X amount on your next visit.

I will get that car through an MOT if you pop it up the Bedford way.

Are you a magician ?

How can you tell by a few photos what state the underneath of this car is, i presume you have never seen the car, ever.
Until you wire brush it and clean the are up you wont know.

Dodgy MOT it sounds like.

9th July 2012, 09:41

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Originally Posted by saladdodger

Are you a magician ?

How can you tell by a few photos what state the underneath of this car is, i presume you have never seen the car, ever.
Until you wire brush it and clean the are up you wont know.

Dodgy MOT it sounds like.

I have to agree with you on this

any mot tester worth his/her salt would not pass a car in this state.Until you get the grinder out & begin cutting out the rust then you won`t know the extent of the rust,which even from those pics looks pretty bad(several layers deep)Someone did tell me that you can buy these sections of floor pan new then weld them which maybe the best option.

9th July 2012, 10:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevo67

I have to agree with you on this

any mot tester worth his/her salt would not pass a car in this state.Until you get the grinder out & begin cutting out the rust then you won`t know the extent of the rust,which even from those pics looks pretty bad(several layers deep)Someone did tell me that you can buy these sections of floor pan new then weld them which maybe the best option.

This dont sound to promising as it did not fail the mot on the corrosion ???

So im a little confused now why some are saying this should have failed but i agree nobody can really look at my pics and say whether its repairable or mot worthy or not as pics dont show the true extent only the mot tester can judge this and i can only take there word for it be it Kwik Fit or any other garage tbh.

Hopefully Sala is going to take a look so i can then have a second opinion actually based on seeing the car rather then judging from pics and trusting that bunch at Kwik Fit lol

9th July 2012, 11:01

I'll soon tell you mate, you'll be able to see for yourself once we wire brush it, hopefully its just service rust and a good clean prime and paint + underseal will be enough.

Dont worry, it is what it is at the end of the day.

9th July 2012, 12:31

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Originally Posted by saladdodger

I'll soon tell you mate, you'll be able to see for yourself once we wire brush it, hopefully its just service rust and a good clean prime and paint + underseal will be enough.

Dont worry, it is what it is at the end of the day.

Indeed just keep fingers crossed its treatable or i will drive it back to its grave to then be butchered for parts i guess as welding costs would probaly not make it worth the bother tbh but we shall see.

9th July 2012, 18:46

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Originally Posted by GeeDawg

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Hi, the fauil on the mot was not due to the corrsion but due to Cat and Lambda corrosion was an advisory but one that is a make or break if i will be bothered to get it through the mot as not much point in throwing money at it until i get to the bottom of the corrosion.

Funny enough it was Kwik Fit and i had a tyre changed there last week and they said rear pads where low but no mention of this on mot typically i got some new rear pads but could not get locking wheel nuts undone so did not bother doing them so though sod it i would put through yet if they where low they should be on the advisory list so i think they thought if they mention it i will just say yeah do it sneaky bastards lol.

Sorry, completely misread the post at first.

If you need a Cat then I have a few spares laying around in the garage iirc.

You've given your own answer above my friend, Kwik Fit are mostly arseholes, or monkeys working on cars. I've seen the jokes of mechanics who work in the Uxbridge branch, they quoted a friend £350 for a driveshaft change. I laughed my cunt off. Especially as we only went in there to prove my point that it was only a wheel bearing that was wrong and Kwik Fit know fuck all. I do hope you don't get ripped off by them anymore!

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Originally Posted by saladdodger

Are you a magician ?

How can you tell by a few photos what state the underneath of this car is, i presume you have never seen the car, ever.
Until you wire brush it and clean the are up you wont know.

Dodgy MOT it sounds like.

Yes, seems I am a magician guessing that it was a Kwik Fit or similar brand who are this picky on an MOT.

I haven't seen the car, but every 106/Saxo i've owned, and my friends around the central counties (circa 20 106/Saxo's) have owned have been in a lot worse condition. Yet still pass straight MOT's without an advisory? Even at Trax/FCS you'll see cars with 10x worse rust, and still on the road, and some even show cars (naming no names here).

The gentleman above has pointed out its only an advisory. Which is as it should be. Its not a fail yet.

Don't mean to come across harsh, but its Kwik Fit, AKA, Jokes. Self discretion comes to mind also.

9th July 2012, 19:08

Funny you should mention Uxbridge i had it done in Ruislip Manor so i assume you probably know it i have had problems before with another branch of Kwik Fit i had a service done on a Ford and he advised the baffle had gone in the rear box which i had replaced by Kwik Fit about 2 months earlier so off i went back to them tech said it was fine so got manager out and he said it was fine i saud why is Ford tech saying its fucked he said i dont know but he wont replace it unless i get confirmation from them on headed paper so off i went back to Ford got this then took it back he looked at it grunted and replaced it i have never used them since but as mot was 30 plus local i thought i may aswell let them do it.

I was a little surprised though as they did not even try to sell me a cat or tyre just gave me the sheet and on my way i went.

As for others comments, opinions on here of course everyone is entitled to theres but calm down lads as Clint Eastwood said "opinions are like arseholes, everyone's got one" love that line but lets not turn it into a heated convo lol

9th July 2012, 19:49

True opinions are like arseholes & I sincerely hope the rust isn`t beyond economic repair mate.

9th July 2012, 19:55

Thanks buddy so do i but on the plus side it will save me petrol money lol but i will then have to become a bus/train wanker for a while lol

10th July 2012, 20:58

Ok so after having a dig around today with Sala it does not seem as bad as first suspected yes it does go through but is where the rubber bungs are which seems to be used as a jacking point.

So Sala has recommended to get a plate welded which should not be to costly as it will not require a massive plate.

Will try to get pics up shortly but they make it look worse as can only take them close up.

10th July 2012, 21:49

Hi dude, as you said, i think someone has jacked it up with a trolley jack a few times which as caused the original underseal to lift and water has gotten underneath and rotted the box section away.

Its not bad, just a clean up, small plate welded in place, primed and undersealed should be fine.

Nice to meet you today, waiting for mate (ricky) to get back to me

The brown is surface rust, thats solid.

10th July 2012, 22:06

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Originally Posted by saladdodger

Hi dude, as you said, i think someone has jacked it up with a trolley jack a few times which as caused the original underseal to lift and water has gotten underneath and rotted the box section away.

Its not bad, just a clean up, small plate welded in place, primed and undersealed should be fine.

Nice to meet you today, waiting for mate (ricky) to get back to me

The brown is surface rust, thats solid.

No worries buddy u are a top fella and it was nice to meet you and have a moan about mots lol

Again pics make it look worse in my opinion but as you said i dont think it warrants stripping the car as long as i get it treated.

Your advice has restored
some of my faith in the Saxo lol now onto the emissions lol

Btw i took the scenic route home through Uxbridge as satnav threw a spaz again if i followed it i would have ended up in London lol

10th July 2012, 22:17

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Originally Posted by GeeDawg

No worries buddy u are a top fella and it was nice to meet you and have a moan about mots lol

Again pics make it look worse in my opinion but as you said i dont think it warrants stripping the car as long as i get it treated.

Your advice has restored
some of my faith in the Saxo lol now onto the emissions lol

Btw i took the scenic route home through Uxbridge as satnav threw a spaz again if i followed it i would have ended up in London lol

restored some of my faith hahahaaaa, its a nice car dude, minor TLC and you got a good car i say.

Your satnav has a mind of its own lol

Good to me you dude