Car wont start - weird goings on

1. saladdodger Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 669

   #1 9th July 2012, 09:22

   So i got in the 2001 VTR yesterday and it took 3 attempts to start it, all 3 times it turned over for about 1 second then stopped, 4th time it started fine.
   
   Drove it for about 5 miles and the EML light flashed then stuck on.
   
   Got home, turned car off, left it 10 minutes and started it again, fine but EML light still on.
   
   I thought by disconnecting the battery it might reset any fault??
   
   Well today it wont start at all, turns over fine and fast but no spark, not even trying to fire.
   
   Any ideas guys - saxo new to me, only had it on the road a few weeks.
   
   Thanks
   
   Andy
2. user_43033 Established Member Joined: Mar 2010 Bradford Posts: 1490 '02 VTR, '92 106 XSI 16v

   #2 9th July 2012, 09:40

   If the EML light is on, get it diagnosed. You can either do it at a garage.. But i'd recommend buying a code reader from ebay. (cost about 20 pounds.. Same as a dignostic check)
   It will then give you the code to your problem.. And can go from there?
   Hope this helps
3. saladdodger Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 669

   #3 9th July 2012, 09:57

   Cheers, i thought they were much more than that
4. saladdodger Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 669

   #4 9th July 2012, 10:00

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by DavidsVTR If the EML light is on, get it diagnosed. You can either do it at a garage.. But i'd recommend buying a code reader from ebay. (cost about 20 pounds.. Same as a dignostic check) It will then give you the code to your problem.. And can go from there? Hope this helps

   Can you recommend one??
5. user_20080 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2007 smurfland. Posts: 17346 Ex saxo owner.

   #5 9th July 2012, 10:11

   This make got a good write-up in a mag last year. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AUTEL-MS31...item2a1faad440
6. saladdodger Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 669

   #6 9th July 2012, 10:55

   Nice one cheers.
   
   Ive just used a sealey one and it came up with 1 fault:
   
   P0300 - Random/Multiple Cylinder Misfire Detected
   
   That make any sense to anyone ????
   
   I reset it but still wont start, just no spark at all, only turns over.
7. user_29491 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2008 Lancs Posts: 4124 JP4S'd R.

   #7 9th July 2012, 11:02

   Coil-packs gone mate.
   
   3rd thread I've read in 2 days about the coilpack going lol.
   
   
   
   EDIT: I've got a MK2 saxo coilpack sat right at side of me
8. saladdodger Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 669

   #8 9th July 2012, 11:09

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by saxova Coil-packs gone mate. 3rd thread I've read in 2 days about the coilpack going lol. EDIT: I've got a MK2 saxo coilpack sat right at side of me

   How can i be sure though, wouldn't the code reader say that???
   
   How much for your coil packs, new or used dude
   
   Cheers buddy
9. user_29491 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2008 Lancs Posts: 4124 JP4S'd R.

   #9 9th July 2012, 11:17

   A code P0300 may mean that one or more of the following has happened:
   
   Faulty spark plugs or wires
   Faulty coil (pack)
   Faulty oxygen sensor(s)
   Faulty fuel injector(s)
   Burned exhaust valve
   Faulty catalytic converter(s)
   Stuck/blocked EGR valve / passages
   Faulty camshaft position sensor
   Defective computer
   
   That's what the code stands for, its 9/10 coil pack though.. As you say you've no spark - but you could always try the plug's first - but very unlikely that all 4 will fail at the same time.
   
   I'd sell it for £15 - imagine postage will be £3-5, so £18 posted? Its used but working.
10. saladdodger Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 669

    #10 9th July 2012, 11:24

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by saxova A code P0300 may mean that one or more of the following has happened: Faulty spark plugs or wires Faulty coil (pack) Faulty oxygen sensor(s) Faulty fuel injector(s) Burned exhaust valve Faulty catalytic converter(s) Stuck/blocked EGR valve / passages Faulty camshaft position sensor Defective computer That's what the code stands for, its 9/10 coil pack though.. As you say you've no spark - but you could always try the plug's first - but very unlikely that all 4 will fail at the same time. I'd sell it for £15 - imagine postage will be £3-5, so £18 posted? Its used but working.

    Cheers for reply, mates gonna lend me his to rest.
    
    All 4 plugs are new, less than 2 weeks old
    
    cheers
11. user_29491 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2008 Lancs Posts: 4124 JP4S'd R.

    #11 9th July 2012, 11:27

    No problemo - If you find out it's the coilpack 100% and need this one - drop me a pm.
    
    

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12. saladdodger Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 669

    #12 9th July 2012, 13:06

    Nope, still not working, so its not the coil packs.
    
    So whats next: Faulty camshaft position sensor or Defective computer ????
    
    What should the immobiliser light do on the dash, mine goes out almost instantly
13. user_29491 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2008 Lancs Posts: 4124 JP4S'd R.

    #13 9th July 2012, 13:21

    The 'Faulty camshaft position sensor' or as we know it, the crankshaft sensor is on the front of the engine - where the gearbox meet's the block, the sensor is there.. 2 bolts and its off.
    
    Not too sure about immobilizer light.. i'll take note when I take the car out later
14. saladdodger Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 669

    #14 9th July 2012, 13:26

    cheers
15. saladdodger Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 669

    #15 9th July 2012, 14:08

    Just ordered a new crackshaft sensor, pick that up at 5pm, hoping its that
    
    Where is the MAP sensor on a 2001 VTR ???
16. user_29491 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2008 Lancs Posts: 4124 JP4S'd R.

    #16 9th July 2012, 14:33

    Left hand side of the inlet mate, just 1 bolt and it's off.

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17. user_52013 Established Member Joined: Apr 2011 Birmingham Posts: 2079 Clio

    #17 9th July 2012, 14:46

    Rep for saxova - not too many helpful members on here any more, but he is 100% correct with everything he's said
18. saladdodger Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 669

    #18 9th July 2012, 15:16

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Pug205 Rep for saxova - not too many helpful members on here any more, but he is 100% correct with everything he's said

    
    
    I'll see what happens when i change the crankshaft sensor later today
19. user_52013 Established Member Joined: Apr 2011 Birmingham Posts: 2079 Clio

    #19 9th July 2012, 15:41

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by saladdodger I'll see what happens when i change the crankshaft sensor later today

    Ok Mate, let me know, Used to have a VTR but was 97', still, the same rules apply
20. saladdodger Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 669

    #20 9th July 2012, 20:01

    Yep fixed: it was the crankshaft sensor
    
    Thanks for replies and help guys
21. user_20080 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2007 smurfland. Posts: 17346 Ex saxo owner.

    #21 9th July 2012, 21:32

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by saxova The 'Faulty camshaft position sensor' or as we know it, the crankshaft sensor is on the front of the engine - where the gearbox meet's the block, the sensor is there.. 2 bolts and its off. Not too sure about immobilizer light.. i'll take note when I take the car out later

    Just to add here a camshaft sensor & a crank sensor are 2 different things,only the vts has the camshaft sensor(correct me if i`m wrong peeps)
22. saladdodger Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 669

    #22 10th July 2012, 01:12

    From a mechanic mate a Citroen Slough
    
    'When Vauxhall crank sensors fail it uses the cam sensor info for the engine position, hence it will still start, maybe rough though. Citroen only uses a crank sensor, so if it fails it has no fall back.'