C5 wheel questions

1. RickP L-plater Joined: Sep 2012 Grimsby Posts: 87 98 Saxo VTS 11 Mini JCW

   #1 14th September 2012, 18:45

   I've just bought a set of C5 steel look alloys and have a few questions. Will they be ok with 195/50/15 toyo r888 tyres? Will I need spacers (I've heard yes and no on this) and finally will they be ok for track use, I've read a few comments about them overheating brakes, none of which are from people that have actually used them. So would really like to know from someone first hand who uses these on track.
   Thanks in advance
2. welshpug Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2010 South Wales Posts: 3078 ZX 16v, 205 GTI, 309 Goodwood, 405 MI16.

   #2 14th September 2012, 19:15

   6x15, ET19, same size as standard VTS 15"s so no you shouldn't need spacers if you use the standard size tyre, however an R888 has chunky sidewalls so they may rub.

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3. Mochachino Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card

   #3 15th September 2012, 19:17

   The original C5 steelies got recalled due to them cracking.
4. RickP L-plater Joined: Sep 2012 Grimsby Posts: 87 98 Saxo VTS 11 Mini JCW

   #4 15th September 2012, 20:07

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Mochachino The original C5 steelies got recalled due to them cracking.

   Ok thanks, these are the later ones with taper bolts
5. monka Established Member Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 1368

   #5 16th September 2012, 02:04

   anyone know if these are the correct bolts
   
   http://www.citroencarpartsuk.co.uk/p...-Model-Product
6. welshpug Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2010 South Wales Posts: 3078 ZX 16v, 205 GTI, 309 Goodwood, 405 MI16.

   #6 16th September 2012, 06:19

   Look good, sod paying that much though!! Check citroen's price, or get them with the wheels
7. user_29491 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2008 Lancs Posts: 4124 JP4S'd R.

   #7 16th September 2012, 10:48

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by monka anyone know if these are the correct bolts http://www.citroencarpartsuk.co.uk/p...-Model-Product

   I have the later tapered C5 steels - and i just use my tapered VTR wheel bolts.
8. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

   #8 16th September 2012, 12:06

   m12x1.25 tapered seat bolts are what you need
   ebay it youll find some cheaper than that link
9. monka Established Member Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 1368

   #9 16th September 2012, 12:14

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by welshpug Look good, sod paying that much though!! Check citroen's price, or get them with the wheels

   whats citroen's part no, as i called them up with the fitting kit part no (the only one i could find) and the helpful chap on the phone said that part no wasn't available anymore.
   
   cheaper here
   http://www.nissanpartsonline.co.uk/p...-Model-Product
   
   just looked on ebay, do you not need the one with the washers on for these? i was thinking about just going down the scrappy and grabbing a bunch of bolts, but i didn't think the ones with out the loose washer's where suitable?
10. welshpug Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2010 South Wales Posts: 3078 ZX 16v, 205 GTI, 309 Goodwood, 405 MI16.

    #10 16th September 2012, 12:18

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by saxova I have the later tapered C5 steels - and i just use my tapered VTR wheel bolts.

    wrong bolts, they need to have the washer on them so the taper doesn't dig in.
    
    VTR's use flat bolts anyway.
    
    1.59 is better, but it shows its a Febi part, so try your local motorfactor, mine does febi.
11. user_29491 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2008 Lancs Posts: 4124 JP4S'd R.

    #11 16th September 2012, 12:32

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by welshpug wrong bolts, they need to have the washer on them so the taper doesn't dig in. VTR's use flat bolts anyway. 1.59 is better, but it shows its a Febi part, so try your local motorfactor, mine does febi.

    Have noticed it scratches the paint off the tapered part of the wheels.. But my bolts are 100% tapered and are 100% from a VTR using standard VTR wheels + bolts - so maybe the mk1's where flat?
    
    
12. welshpug Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2010 South Wales Posts: 3078 ZX 16v, 205 GTI, 309 Goodwood, 405 MI16.

    #12 16th September 2012, 12:59

    no, they're all flat, but later have a taper under the head for the steel spare wheel, those bolts weigh a bloody ton and aren't correct for the C5 alloy.
13. user_29491 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2008 Lancs Posts: 4124 JP4S'd R.

    #13 16th September 2012, 13:16

    Hmm - not trying to argue.. but you have me worried now
    
    Pics for confirmation
    
    VTR wheel -
    
    
    
    C5 wheel -
    
    
    
    VTR bolt (all 16 the same) -
    
    
    
    They all look tapered to me - willing to be corrected though..
14. monka Established Member Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 1368

    #14 16th September 2012, 14:20

    maybe tapered, but as said, they are supposed to have the washer. the mating surface on your c5's looks fucked tbh
15. RickP L-plater Joined: Sep 2012 Grimsby Posts: 87 98 Saxo VTS 11 Mini JCW

    #15 16th September 2012, 15:49

    How about the overheating of the brakes, has anyone had any trouble with this?
16. welshpug Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2010 South Wales Posts: 3078 ZX 16v, 205 GTI, 309 Goodwood, 405 MI16.

    #16 16th September 2012, 16:30

    LOL, yes some muppet has stuck the wrong bolts on your VTR wheels, lucky they did not fall off!
    
    I haven't experienced any brake issues, and have run them on a 180 bhp 1100 kilo ZX, and a 140 bhp 900 kilo 205.

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17. RickP L-plater Joined: Sep 2012 Grimsby Posts: 87 98 Saxo VTS 11 Mini JCW

    #17 16th September 2012, 16:45

    I've just collected them today and can't believe how light they are! To get new aftermarket alloys anywhere near this weight, you'd be looking at a good £500+. Not bad for £80 for a set of 4. Taking them to get powder coated tomorrow, just need to decide on what colour, white I think to go with my white VTS.
18. monka Established Member Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 1368

    #18 16th September 2012, 17:30

    £80?? jammy fuck. lol.
    
    i paid £180 for mine, although that did include a set of 195/45's, which are near enough that price anyway.
    
    welshpug - are those ones with the washers the ones i need?
19. user_21226 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2008 wirral Posts: 6348 Icelandic vtr turbo

    #19 16th September 2012, 17:39

    Mate £80's a bargain for them, iirc John with the white Vts used to run C5 steels and never had a problem with over heating. If your worried why not run a air feed off the fogs to the brakes
20. RickP L-plater Joined: Sep 2012 Grimsby Posts: 87 98 Saxo VTS 11 Mini JCW

    #20 16th September 2012, 17:50

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by rorz_vts Mate £80's a bargain for them, iirc John with the white Vts used to run C5 steels and never had a problem with over heating. If your worried why not run a air feed off the fogs to the brakes

    That price included a full set of bolts with tapered washers too! Yeah did think about running a cold air duct from where the fogs used to be, I'll see how it goes without first.
21. user_5470 Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2005 Cardiff Posts: 627 Track VTS - C1 Runabout ;)

    #21 16th September 2012, 18:04

    I was looking at getting some of these, but also heard from a few on 106 owners that there not adequate cooling for your brakes.
22. welshpug Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2010 South Wales Posts: 3078 ZX 16v, 205 GTI, 309 Goodwood, 405 MI16.

    #22 16th September 2012, 20:01

    £80? pffft, £40 last week with bolts.
    
    whoever is cooking brakes probably hasn't fitted decent pads or fluid in a long time and doesn't know how to drive.
    
    they're fine on 1.5 tons of C5.
23. RickP L-plater Joined: Sep 2012 Grimsby Posts: 87 98 Saxo VTS 11 Mini JCW

    #23 17th September 2012, 19:04

    Went ahead and ordered a new set of R888's today in 195/50/15. Getting them fitted tomorrow after I pick the wheels up from the powder coaters (played it safe and went with white). Also ordered a set of Berlingo centre caps from local Citroen dealers. Just hope the tyres don't rub now, although I WAS warned!
24. monka Established Member Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 1368

    #24 22nd September 2012, 22:30

    just abit of infomation for people.
    
    the bolts in the link, the part no is a good part no, i ordered some after ordering one as a sample from peugeot. and they are the correct bolts. and either £2.07 or £2.30 each. (i can't remember. just said yeah order them. lol)
25. RickP L-plater Joined: Sep 2012 Grimsby Posts: 87 98 Saxo VTS 11 Mini JCW

    #25 23rd September 2012, 08:47

    I can now confirm that Toyo R888 195/50/15 tyres fit C5 wheels fine with no rubbing on the arches etc They look and perform awesome too!