1.1 to 1.4 conversion

1. madheadmiles Infrequent Poster Joined: Aug 2012 Bromsgrove Posts: 117 '02 VTR

   #1 18th September 2012, 22:34

   forgive me if this has been asked many times, but im thinking about putting a 1.4 saxo engine into my little 1.1. is the 1.4 engine any good? and is it just a case of doing a straight swap or not? like wiring etc
2. user_58023 Established Member Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 1411

   #2 18th September 2012, 22:48

   I'm in the process of doing this atm. Wiring loom is slightly different, picked up one from a vtr for a tenner, WITH the same ecu plug. . e.g single or triple plug, whatever yours is. As for the engine, yes it goes straight in, same mounts etc etc. Im using my 1.1 box as well. But recommend you buy a 1.4 clutch to handle the increased torque. Only thing else you'll need is a unlocked ecu. Then its a case of lots of shouting and force get do it
3. DUFC Regular Poster Joined: Jul 2012 Dundee Posts: 488 Looking for 16v furio.

   #3 18th September 2012, 22:52

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by madheadmiles forgive me if this has been asked many times, but im thinking about putting a 1.4 saxo engine into my little 1.1. is the 1.4 engine any good? and is it just a case of doing a straight swap or not? like wiring etc

   Iv only ever driven a 1.4, but is there really that much difference from a 1.1?
   Why dont you get a vtr engine in it? Its still a TU engine so looks identical, and its quicker, and much easier to source
4. user_58023 Established Member Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 1411

   #4 18th September 2012, 22:53

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   Originally Posted by DUFC Iv only ever driven a 1.4, but is there really that much difference from a 1.1? Why dont you get a vtr engine in it? Its still a TU engine so looks identical, and its quicker, and much easier to source

   I'm only going to a 1.4 for insurance reasons. That extra 0.2 cc makes a HUGE difference!
5. DUFC Regular Poster Joined: Jul 2012 Dundee Posts: 488 Looking for 16v furio.

   #5 18th September 2012, 22:58

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   Originally Posted by christoph I'm only going to a 1.4 for insurance reasons. That extra 0.2 cc makes a HUGE difference!

   Like i say, there identical. They look no different to a 1.1 or a furio
6. user_58023 Established Member Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 1411

   #6 18th September 2012, 23:00

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   Originally Posted by DUFC Like i say, there identical. They look no different to a 1.1 or a furio Take the hint

   I know buts that not the point. Not worth the hassle of you trying to claim over your insurance only to find out the engine codes are different.
7. DUFC Regular Poster Joined: Jul 2012 Dundee Posts: 488 Looking for 16v furio.

   #7 18th September 2012, 23:03

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   Originally Posted by christoph I know buts that not the point. Not worth the hassle of you trying to claim over your insurance only to find out the engine codes are different.

   Seriously, why on earth would they check the engine codes, if its with a high street insurer, this will not happen, ever.
8. user_58023 Established Member Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 1411

   #8 18th September 2012, 23:04

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   Originally Posted by DUFC Seriously, why on earth would they check the engine codes, if its with a high street insurer, this will not happen, ever.

   Crazier things have happend. They'll do anything to get out of paying! When my mums golf got hit, she got done over because she had braided brake lines and not normal ones. So shit like this does happen.
9. DUFC Regular Poster Joined: Jul 2012 Dundee Posts: 488 Looking for 16v furio.

   #9 18th September 2012, 23:05

   Fairplay man, do as you please
   I wouldnt do it personally, but in terms of easier to source that engine i would, tell your insurance
10. user_58023 Established Member Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 1411

    #10 18th September 2012, 23:07

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    Originally Posted by DUFC Fairplay man, do as you please

    I would love to put a 1.6 in personally. As you said its better. . . but hay, make do with what you can!
11. mechsman Frequent Poster Joined: Sep 2010 Bristol Posts: 906 Saxo 1.4i SX 3dr, 106 (engine swap under way), p

    #11 15th November 2012, 11:32

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    Originally Posted by christoph *snip* But recommend you buy a 1.4 clutch to handle the increased torque. *snip*

    1.0 to 1.4 engines use the same size clutch. It's 1.6 8v and 16v that use the larger clutch. I have a 1.4 with the 1.1 box on it and it goes like a scalded cat 1st through 3rd. 4k rpm for 80mph sucks though. The 1.1 box is definately geared for round town driving. The 1.4 sx box is much, much longer (in fact, it's the same as the diesel box if I remember rightly)
12. user_58023 Established Member Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 1411

    #12 15th November 2012, 11:36

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    Originally Posted by mechsman 1.0 to 1.4 engines use the same size clutch. It's 1.6 8v and 16v that use the larger clutch. I have a 1.4 with the 1.1 box on it and it goes like a scalded cat 1st through 3rd. 4k rpm for 80mph sucks though. The 1.1 box is definately geared for round town driving. The 1.4 sx box is much, much longer (in fact, it's the same as the diesel box if I remember rightly)

    Two months?!
13. Gandi699 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 9100 Amazon green VTR 16v, Inferno RS clio 182

    #13 15th November 2012, 12:25

    a normal 1.4 is not identical to the 1.6 (unless you are using an early xsi 1.4), the block is aluminium on the 1.4 and cast on the 1.6. Any copper worth his salt will spot that if you get pulled
14. user_50346 Regular Poster Joined: Feb 2011 Houghton-Le-Spring Posts: 366 C2 vts

    #14 15th November 2012, 16:36

    1.1 = 60bhp, 1.4= 75bhp, 1.6= 98bhp..... Mine started life as a 1.1 then went to a 1.4 which was the biggest waste of my time (not money as the engine was free) recently ive just converted to a 1.6 8v and its spot on, half decent mpg, has that 98bhp there if you need it and depending on your insurance it isnt that much more expensive. Wouldnt go near a 1.4 if you can afford a 1.6 8v.