need help with tyres

  1. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2011 huddersfield Posts: 2635 ph3'd c2 gt
    #1
    right basically constantly getting fucked over by the popo for my stretched tyres on my starmags so im gonna have to get some sorted or face 12 points,

    i currently have 175/50 R 13's on my 13" starmags, what size tyre would i need so i have no stretch? i know this is a very nooby question but the car came with those tyres on so just wanna make sure before i go out tomorrow and get it sorted!

    cheers
  2. Newbie Joined: Oct 2012 Posts: 14 saxo vtr
    #2
    how wide are your wheels ? 6' or 7's ?

    chances are you wont get a tyre that will be legal on them to fit under your arches

    stretched tyres are an accident waiting to happen imo .
  3. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2011 huddersfield Posts: 2635 ph3'd c2 gt
    #3
    8 I think starmags are mate
  4. Newbie Joined: Oct 2012 Posts: 14 saxo vtr
    #4
    ul be looking at 13 x 205s id guess on 6's

    how uv got 13 x 175s on an 8 inch wheel is beyond me . not suprised old bill is after shafting you for those
  5. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2011 huddersfield Posts: 2635 ph3'd c2 gt
    #5
    the stretch isnt even that much though!

    heres a picture,
  6. Established Member Joined: Jun 2011 Pontefract Posts: 1095 Nissan 200sx s14a Citroen Saxo VTS Austin Mini C
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    they arnt even stretched they sit level with the side of the rim :-S
  7. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Sep 2010 leeds Posts: 4389 MCS R53 S/C 16v furiooo
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    stretched or non existant!!! id choose the latter sounds like the cops are just on your back!!
  8. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2011 huddersfield Posts: 2635 ph3'd c2 gt
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Liamjrhodes View Post
    they arnt even stretched they sit level with the side of the rim :-S
    exactly, but that copper is a complete and utter cock, like i said yesterday, he section 59'd me too for accelerating quick, and i wasnt even going over 30 as i was still in 1st gear!

    and i asked him how long the section 59 lasts for and he didnt even know!
    so i just honestly cba with the hassle from him and he said i cant even have " normal " tyres on as theyd stick too far out of the arches, so i have to get new wheels aswell

    and i said they can stick out by 30mm but he said i was wrong....
  9. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2011 huddersfield Posts: 2635 ph3'd c2 gt
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mlawlan69 View Post
    stretched or non existant!!! id choose the latter sounds like the cops are just on your back!!
    its only one particular copper, he had no idea what he was on about what so ever!

    round my area theres a civic with mental camber and stupidly stretched tyres whch ive seen drving round for the past 2 years !
  10. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Sep 2010 leeds Posts: 4389 MCS R53 S/C 16v furiooo
    #10
    if those are your current wheels how they sit now then its a fair bet this copper doesnt like you or doesnt like your car.

    has he stopped you before? or multiple times? i seem to remember a thread a while ago to that effect, was you who made it?
  11. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2011 huddersfield Posts: 2635 ph3'd c2 gt
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mlawlan69 View Post
    if those are your current wheels how they sit now then its a fair bet this copper doesnt like you or doesnt like your car.

    has he stopped you before? or multiple times? i seem to remember a thread a while ago to that effect, was you who made it?
    they are mate and hes a complete bell, ive tried to be as civil as possible with him, i even shook his fucking hand!

    and yeah it was me mate, it was the same copper that pulled me a couple months back for my tyres
  12. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2011 huddersfield Posts: 2635 ph3'd c2 gt
    #12
    and heres another pic of my wheels/tyres
  13. Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2012 Lancs Posts: 439 Saxo VTS mk1 stage rally car
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    At the end of the day there's a simple rule to follow. If it passes MOT in its current configuration, there's fuck all the rozzer can do. It's road legal, end of. Video the MOT if need be and show it to the rozzer when he pulls you over. An MOT tester knows a hell of a lot more about road worthiness than mr plod...
  14. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Kebabman View Post
    At the end of the day there's a simple rule to follow. If it passes MOT in its current configuration, there's fuck all the rozzer can do. It's road legal, end of. Video the MOT if need be and show it to the rozzer when he pulls you over. An MOT tester knows a hell of a lot more about road worthiness than mr plod...
    WRONG

    an mot is valid on the day of test...once it leaves the test centre thats it

    its something police are clamping down on...the rears dont even look stretched..but the fronts on that last pic do
  15. Established Member Joined: Jun 2011 Pontefract Posts: 1095 Nissan 200sx s14a Citroen Saxo VTS Austin Mini C
    #15
    The copper just has it out for you. If he stops you again for a stupid reason I would put a harrasment complaint in. Sounds like he on a power trip.
    Like I said before print off the rules from the dvla website and keep them in your car. Also you could ring the cop shop and see what they say the laws are
  16. Infrequent Poster Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 239 106 GTI
    #16
    I can't see any stretch.
  17. Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2012 Lancs Posts: 439 Saxo VTS mk1 stage rally car
    #17
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by blackie_2k5 View Post
    WRONG

    an mot is valid on the day of test...once it leaves the test centre thats it

    its something police are clamping down on...the rears dont even look stretched..but the fronts on that last pic do
    Yes but if you don't change anything from when it is tested then it's definitely legal, and why I said "in its current configuration" in my last post.

    Granted if you left the test centre and changed the wheels and tyres it's obviously not legal but if you don't it is road legal and the police can't do you for it!
  18. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B
    #18
    But all they would say is it's been changed if they got grief for it


    Mot test cert means nothing, only things that are massively worn, or large amounts of rust and stuff are things that can be pulled up against on an mot


    Suggest next time you threaten legal action and ask them to clarify which laws are being broken and what gives them the power to decide this at the side of the road when the tyres show no noticeable signs or danger
  19. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2011 huddersfield Posts: 2635 ph3'd c2 gt
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by blackie_2k5 View Post

    Suggest next time you threaten legal action and ask them to clarify which laws are being broken and what gives them the power to decide this at the side of the road when the tyres show no noticeable signs or danger

    think i'll have to!
    but everywhere ive to today which were about 10-13 differnt tyre garages none of them have any tyres that'll fit and they said even 185/55/13 wont fit!

    so tbh think i'll get two new front 175/50/13 as they are starting to get on the low side and if he pulls me again i'll argue back against it
  20. Super Moderator Joined: Nov 2009 Cambridge(ish), UK. Posts: 10581 BMW 5x M50d.
    #20
    This.

    Just be polite, stay calm, and contest what he says. Refuse to accept anything other that a court summons. From those photos, if that's what it's really about, he'll back down.
  21. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2011 huddersfield Posts: 2635 ph3'd c2 gt
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ross View Post
    This.

    Just be polite, stay calm, and contest what he says. Refuse to accept anything other that a court summons. From those photos, if that's what it's really about, he'll back down.

    yep plenty of people on here can vouch that those are my wheels and tyres and they have not been changed, so what you see on the photos are what the whole situation is about!

    and how/what do i say exactly to show that i know what im on about?
    he is an idiot btw since he issued me a section 59 too for accelarating hard from a junction ( still in 1st gear when he pulled me over btw ) and he didnt even know who long it lasted for!!?!
  22. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2010 Morley, Leeds Posts: 8469 Civic ep3 type r powered by TDI NORTH
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    I told you yonks ago that the coppers were cracking down on it in West Yorks. Only thing to do is to get the Tyres sorted then have a friendly police officer Assess them and write a letter with the badge number and contact on it To keep your "mate" off your back. The local police station near me does this all the time.

    Also what did he give you for the section 59? Have you had the letter through the post or just the slip they fill out.
  23. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2011 huddersfield Posts: 2635 ph3'd c2 gt
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Bedford126 View Post
    I told you yonks ago that the coppers were cracking down on it in West Yorks. Only thing to do is to get the Tyres sorted then have a friendly police officer Assess them and write a letter with the badge number and contact on it To keep your "mate" off your back. The local police station near me does this all the time.

    Also what did he give you for the section 59? Have you had the letter through the post or just the slip they fill out.

    but its only this particular police man, no other, thats my problem since ive had no bother with any other police about them

    and he made us sign a slip which he said will be posted through?
  24. Super Moderator Joined: Nov 2009 Cambridge(ish), UK. Posts: 10581 BMW 5x M50d.
    #24
    You don't have to know about it. You just need him to prove it. Gone are the days a coppers word in court is worth more than joe bloggs word on the street. They need evidence.

    Whatever he tries to do you for, just keep calm and refuse to admit to it. Question everything - how can I appeal? What happens if I refuse to sign? The key words are "you'll be sent to court". Excellent. That's what you want. Believe it or not, courts are generally impartial. He'll not go within 100 miles of one without evidence. If you've genuinely done nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about.

    On a side note, make sure you get his number and the station he's based at. Then put in a written (paper/pen old school) complaint about the harassment. Complaints are taken seriously.

    If he's got a power trip with you, chances are he has one with someone else he's harassing, and needs knocking down a few pegs.
  25. Super Moderator Joined: Nov 2009 Cambridge(ish), UK. Posts: 10581 BMW 5x M50d.
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Bedford126 View Post
    I told you yonks ago that the coppers were cracking down on it in West Yorks. Only thing to do is to get the Tyres sorted then have a friendly police officer Assess them and write a letter with the badge number and contact on it To keep your "mate" off your back. The local police station near me does this all the time.

    Also what did he give you for the section 59? Have you had the letter through the post or just the slip they fill out.
    Cracking down on what? Nothing wrong with stretched tyres (especially as little stretch as the photos above). You fellas got some shithead coppers up north??
  26. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2011 huddersfield Posts: 2635 ph3'd c2 gt
    #26
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ross View Post
    You don't have to know about it. You just need him to prove it. Gone are the days a coppers word in court is worth more than joe bloggs word on the street. They need evidence.

    Whatever he tries to do you for, just keep calm and refuse to admit to it. Question everything - how can I appeal? What happens if I refuse to sign? The key words are "you'll be sent to court". Excellent. That's what you want. Believe it or not, courts are generally impartial. He'll not go within 100 miles of one without evidence. If you've genuinely done nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about.

    On a side note, make sure you get his number and the station he's based at. Then put in a written (paper/pen old school) complaint about the harassment. Complaints are taken seriously.

    If he's got a power trip with you, chances are he has one with someone else he's harassing, and needs knocking down a few pegs.

    basically the only issue with him is my tyres, ive done nothing wrong , hell ive even bin pulled over by police to talk about my car in general, like whats it like to drive being so low etc

    so its only him im getting hassle off, and you mentioned him needing evidence, are my tyres not evidence or am i just being dumb here!?
  27. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2011 huddersfield Posts: 2635 ph3'd c2 gt
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ross View Post
    Cracking down on what? Nothing wrong with stretched tyres (especially as little stretch as the photos above). You fellas got some shithead coppers up north??
    ive got litterally 10mm of stretch if that!?!?!
    and nah theyre usually alright round here, apart from that turd
  28. Super Moderator Joined: Nov 2009 Cambridge(ish), UK. Posts: 10581 BMW 5x M50d.
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ali123 View Post
    basically the only issue with him is my tyres, ive done nothing wrong , hell ive even bin pulled over by police to talk about my car in general, like whats it like to drive being so low etc

    so its only him im getting hassle off, and you mentioned him needing evidence, are my tyres not evidence or am i just being dumb here!?
    What's wrong with the tyres? The tread is inside the arch is it not?
  29. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2011 huddersfield Posts: 2635 ph3'd c2 gt
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ross View Post
    What's wrong with the tyres? The tread is inside the arch is it not?
    they are indeed!
    the fool aswell tried to do me for them saying they stick out of the arches too and the other police man with him pointed out to him that they dont stick out of the arches :/

    but i mean i have at most 10mm stretch, and if it goes to court is that not enough evidence to back him up? or am i getting the wrong end of the stick?
  30. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2010 Morley, Leeds Posts: 8469 Civic ep3 type r powered by TDI NORTH
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ross View Post
    What's wrong with the tyres? The tread is inside the arch is it not?
    I got a mate who is a copper up here and they actually had a notice on the board and a meeting about stretched tyres. They are not illegal but they can force you to take a m.o.t and some other crap.
  31. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2011 huddersfield Posts: 2635 ph3'd c2 gt
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Bedford126 View Post
    I got a mate who is a copper up here and they actually had a notice on the board and a meeting about stretched tyres. They are not illegal but they can force you to take a m.o.t and some other crap.
    ah ah ah ah!!!!!!!

    they are not illegal! thats all hes been telling me is that they are illegal! so he can fuck right off!
    oh and whats the other crap?
  32. Super Moderator Joined: Nov 2009 Cambridge(ish), UK. Posts: 10581 BMW 5x M50d.
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Bedford126 View Post
    I got a mate who is a copper up here and they actually had a notice on the board and a meeting about stretched tyres. They are not illegal but they can force you to take a m.o.t and some other crap.
    Whoever has told you that is speaking out of their arse frankly. They can't force you to change anything that isn't against the law. If they (the copper who stops you) isnt clued up enough or doesn't understand fully something he suspects is wrong he should refer to a colleague.

    The law is clear. Wheels can protrude 30mm from the bodywork but the tyre surface must be constrained within the bodywork.

    If some plod told me he was issuing some paperwork to require me to take another mot I'd tell him to stick it and he can take me to court.

    People have been done for stretched tyres before. They stupidly settled and agreed with the FPN the copper issued. No! Fight shit like that guys, come on. Don't roll over, ESPECIALLY when your in the right for once!
  33. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2011 huddersfield Posts: 2635 ph3'd c2 gt
    #33
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ross View Post
    Whoever has told you that is speaking out of their arse frankly. They can't force you to change anything that isn't against the law. If they (the copper who stops you) isnt clued up enough or doesn't understand fully something he suspects is wrong he should refer to a colleague.

    The law is clear. Wheels can protrude 30mm from the bodywork but the tyre surface must be constrained within the bodywork.

    If some plod told me he was issuing some paperwork to require me to take another mot I'd tell him to stick it and he can take me to court.

    People have been done for stretched tyres before. They stupidly settled and agreed with the FPN the copper issued. No! Fight shit like that guys, come on. Don't roll over, ESPECIALLY when your in the right for once!

    i also said to him that they can stick out 30mm out from the arches and he said that law is wrong....

    also if/when he pulls me again and i say so and so and it gets to the stage of him saying "or i go to court " what do i do/say? do i agree with it and go to court?
  34. Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2012 Lancs Posts: 439 Saxo VTS mk1 stage rally car
    #34
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ross View Post
    The law is clear. Wheels can protrude 30mm from the bodywork but the tyre surface must be constrained within the bodywork.
    Just out of interest, is that the exact wording of the rules? If so, "Surface" could also mean the side wall.

    I'll stick to my earlier point though that if the car passes an MOT in that configuration it is road legal. Would be interesting to take the car to a friendly MOT tester and video the tester explaining why the tyres ARE legal to show to the copper.
  35. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2011 huddersfield Posts: 2635 ph3'd c2 gt
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Kebabman View Post
    Just out of interest, is that the exact wording of the rules? If so, "Surface" could also mean the side wall.

    I'll stick to my earlier point though that if the car passes an MOT in that configuration it is road legal. Would be interesting to take the car to a friendly MOT tester and video the tester explaining why the tyres ARE legal to show to the copper.
    thats what im thinking, i do have a friendly MOT tester so im thinking of popping down at some point, get him to write down a note, time date etc, stamp it and take a picture with him, with that piece of the paper next to my car maybe?
  36. Super Moderator Joined: Nov 2009 Cambridge(ish), UK. Posts: 10581 BMW 5x M50d.
    #36
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Kebabman View Post
    Just out of interest, is that the exact wording of the rules? If so, "Surface" could also mean the side wall.

    I'll stick to my earlier point though that if the car passes an MOT in that configuration it is road legal. Would be interesting to take the car to a friendly MOT tester and video the tester explaining why the tyres ARE legal to show to the copper.
    Sorry - surface is my word.

    Construction and use regulations define it as :

    Quote:
    “breadth of tread” means the breadth of that part of the tyre which can contact the road under normal conditions of use measured at 90 degrees to the peripheral line of the tread
  37. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2010 Morley, Leeds Posts: 8469 Civic ep3 type r powered by TDI NORTH
    #37
    The law also says that the tyre fitted to the rim must be within manufacturers specifications. Hence stretched tyres earning you a forced mot.
  38. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2011 huddersfield Posts: 2635 ph3'd c2 gt
    #38
    then if i ended up having an MOT and it passes with those wheels and tyres on would i be all good to go?
  39. Super Moderator Joined: Nov 2009 Cambridge(ish), UK. Posts: 10581 BMW 5x M50d.
    #39
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Bedford126 View Post
    The law also says that the tyre fitted to the rim must be within manufacturers specifications. Hence stretched tyres earning you a forced mot.
    Link to that please?
  40. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2010 Morley, Leeds Posts: 8469 Civic ep3 type r powered by TDI NORTH
    #40
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ross View Post
    Link to that please?
    Motor vehicle regulations act of 1996 states in section 18 paragraph 2: The tyre must be suited to the wheel rim within manufacturers specifications.
  41. Super Moderator Joined: Nov 2009 Cambridge(ish), UK. Posts: 10581 BMW 5x M50d.
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Bedford126 View Post
    Motor vehicle regulations act of 1996 states in section 18 paragraph 2: The tyre must be suited to the wheel rim within manufacturers specifications.
    Cheers.

    That's interesting.
  42. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2011 huddersfield Posts: 2635 ph3'd c2 gt
    #42
    so that means im pretty much fucked with these tyres?
  43. Super Moderator Joined: Nov 2009 Cambridge(ish), UK. Posts: 10581 BMW 5x M50d.
    #43
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ali123 View Post
    so that means im pretty much fucked with these tyres?
    have you checked the tyre manuf specs for the tyres you're using? Your "stretch" is so minimal I'm pretty sure they'd be fine, but you wont know without checking.
  44. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2011 Newcastle upon Tyne Posts: 7779 Phase 2 VTS , E61 M5
    #44
    What about defenders and stuff? with mental knobbly tyres on them that stick out like 6" from the body?

    are they illegal?
  45. Super Moderator Joined: Nov 2009 Cambridge(ish), UK. Posts: 10581 BMW 5x M50d.
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MuZiZZle View Post
    What about defenders and stuff? with mental knobbly tyres on them that stick out like 6" from the body?

    are they illegal?
    yep - they always have been, police just ignore em tho as not a priority eh. Chav's are
  46. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2011 Newcastle upon Tyne Posts: 7779 Phase 2 VTS , E61 M5
    #46
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ross View Post
    yep - they always have been, police just ignore em tho as not a priority eh. Chav's are
    Really?

    mother fucker!

    I was on the inside lane of the tyne bridge when a defender with huge tyres merged into me, I had nowhere to go and he did this:



    I paid my excess, and it took him 720 days to admit liability!!!!
  47. Super Moderator Joined: Nov 2009 Cambridge(ish), UK. Posts: 10581 BMW 5x M50d.
    #47
    ouch! That royally sucks.
  48. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2005 Coventry Posts: 17782 Fiesta ST150
    #48
    Probs the same idiot who tried to do me for running a red light when I was over Yorkshire way going to the ring. He was on the otherside of a huge roundabout coming the other way I went left down a seperate set of lights to the main ones and he said because his were green mine were on red lol. Contested it and i'm still waiting to hear back 5 years down the line lol

    If your not in the wrong, contest it, as said with eveything now its always upto the other person to provide evidence to what you've done etc.
  49. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2011 huddersfield Posts: 2635 ph3'd c2 gt
    #49
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ross View Post
    have you checked the tyre manuf specs for the tyres you're using? Your "stretch" is so minimal I'm pretty sure they'd be fine, but you wont know without checking.
    i havnt no, but i shall do!

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Baz View Post
    Probs the same idiot who tried to do me for running a red light when I was over Yorkshire way going to the ring. He was on the otherside of a huge roundabout coming the other way I went left down a seperate set of lights to the main ones and he said because his were green mine were on red lol. Contested it and i'm still waiting to hear back 5 years down the line lol

    If your not in the wrong, contest it, as said with eveything now its always upto the other person to provide evidence to what you've done etc.

    yep that sounds like him,

    and for instance he pulled me again, and says youre getting 12 points for them, what do i do / say ?

    do i say " how do i appeal? " " how do i contest it? " or simply tell him to fuck off in the nicest way possible?
  50. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2011 huddersfield Posts: 2635 ph3'd c2 gt
    #50
    hat an absolute fucking cunt of a copper! he spotted me as I came off the motorway today and he turned around at a roun about , I know this is wrong but I booted it an managed to lose him luckily !

    Also Ben , benwilson on here wa playing snooker and at the table next to him was that copper and his mates, he was proper bitching about me , calling me stupid fr ignorin him as calling my car a shitty little boy racer car etc, so I'm gonna swap my wheels for 205's just to get the cunt off my back!
  51. Established Member Joined: Sep 2011 Ebbw Vale Posts: 1180 Clio 182 Daily, 106 GTi Track Project
    #51
    Can't you complain or something for harassment? Surely any complaint against a copper they have to look into it?
  52. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2005 Coventry Posts: 17782 Fiesta ST150
    #52
    To contest you do it when you give in your docs when you produce them
  53. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2011 huddersfield Posts: 2635 ph3'd c2 gt
    #53
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by josh11490 View Post
    Can't you complain or something for harassment? Surely any complaint against a copper they have to look into it?
    cant really file in for harassment if he bitches bout me to his mates haha, pathetic cunt! ( him not you )

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Baz View Post
    To contest you do it when you give in your docs when you produce them
    ah right i see