Cams in a vtr..

  1. #1
    Is it a case off just putting it in an then expect gains straight away?

    Or do I have to play with timing advance/retard?

    And mapping would I have to map it?

    Only reason I ask as I know loads off ppl have done it on here so I know if I ask I will get the answers I need,

    Charlie
  2. #2
    Cam. Singular

    Depending on the cam you fit, depends on what's needed to support it tbh. Timing can be adjusted so a remap isn't needed and it still behaves, but at the cost of potential power.
  3. #3
    gains dont seem to match the cost if its just a road car
  4. #4
    Well someone is selling a Kent cam on here, 110 quid don't seem a lot off money if I just put the cam in and get some noticeable gains?

    Is it a case off just putting it in then?
  5. #5
    Quite abit of work to get the cam in though.

    Either head off - so need headgasket / bolts

    Or heard you can drop 1 side of the engine - disassemble all the lifters/springs and slide it out..

    Either way its not a 2 minute easy job.
  6. #6
    Taking the head off these 8v engines is a doddle any way, what I am asking is if I just put a cam in

    would I notice any gains?

    Would it mess with the timing?
  7. #7
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by charlie7543 View Post
    Taking the head off these 8v engines is a doddle any way, what I am asking is if I just put a cam in

    would I notice any gains?

    Would it mess with the timing?
    I have put a newman ph3 in my vtr early silvertop 90hp.

    First of all i tryed the cheapass way, without removing the head. I will not recoment this, you put alot of strain on axle that hold the lifters, and risk to possible damage the lifters and the axle. Alot faster to do this the right way and just pull of the head.

    When mounted my cam i had already done the followering mods:
    Raceland 4-2-1
    Hoffman sports catalytic convertor
    Magnex cat back system
    Intake from 1,3 rally engine
    BMC CDA air filter

    First off i ran it at standard timing, this gave noticable gain. Starting cold was still ok, and idling was nice.

    Then i timed it up my self using dialgauge, this boosted the gain some more. Cold starting got worse, the first minut its pretty jerky and the steppermotor has hard time adjusting the idle. If drive along and just drop the clutch and throttle it will stall. But if you drive it slow and let of the throttle easy and then brakes, and wait too drop clutch until it almost on idle it wont stall.
    When it gets hot it runs fine and idle is a little lumpy but not that bad.

    I curently drive it like this and has done for the last 4 months. I did exhaust analysis i it runs lean on idle but straighten out ind midtrange when the o2 sensor kicks in.

    My next step is to try and boost the fuelpressure a little to get the mixture better.

    The best thing would defently be to get the box remappet, and im sure i would get a noticable gain if i get i mappet now. But i dont want use the money for it right now.

    I have done all the work myself. Has it been worth it? Yes i think so but if you look at the price and if you have to pay to get work done, you are defently better of putting in a vts engine.

    Hope this helps you out....
  8. #8
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ross View Post
    Cam. Singular

    Depending on the cam you fit, depends on what's needed to support it tbh. Timing can be adjusted so a remap isn't needed and it still behaves, but at the cost of potential power.
    cams......8 of them per sahft
  9. #9
    wouldnt get the full potential out of the cam if you didnt remap it aswell, and for the total cost you might aswell go 16valve

    not sure how well it'll idle without it being mapped
  10. #10
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by LSOfreak View Post
    wouldnt get the full potential out of the cam if you didnt remap it aswell, and for the total cost you might aswell go 16valve

    not sure how well it'll idle without it being mapped
    i got 7bhp from mapping in my cams and breather mods.
    and it idled fairly well before it was remapped (8 months)
  11. #11
    what cam was that?
  12. #12
    cat cam 4901202
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    AKSEL- thank you

    That's what I wanted to know!
    I will be doing all the work my self, so I only have to pay for that parts,

    Think I will do it,

    What can shall I look for? As I know there are a few knocking around in the for sale section
  14. #14
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by blackie_2k5 View Post
    cams......8 of them per sahft
    What's a sahft? That'll teach you you pedantic shit! Hugssss!
  15. #15
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ross View Post
    What's a sahft? That'll teach you you pedantic shit! Hugssss!
    no...that'll teach me to let the other half interrupt me

    i wrote it perfect then spaz handed the keyboard and quick typed it


    but on the plus side.... you dont fail alone :hugs:
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