Braking upgrade for the saxo 1.4

19th October 2012, 18:21

Are there any off the shelf braking upgrading for the saxo? ie can i put brakes off say the 206 gti on to my saxo....

if so what sizes are there?
and what wheels sizes are the min?

Thanks

19th October 2012, 18:26

just stick VT R/S brakes on, more than enough.

19th October 2012, 21:57

well my 300mm brake on my fiesta anit enough lol so i dont think 250mm brakes are enough on a car thats the same weight lol.

19th October 2012, 22:02

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Originally Posted by welshpug

just stick VT R/S brakes on, more than enough.

Thought the R/S brakes where the same on the Furio.

There is 2 different ones from the 20 GTi that fit, 266mm and another one, can't recall what size, 283mm possibly?

I assume you got a good set of disc's and pads allready? No point in getting huge brakes with shit pads and disc's

19th October 2012, 22:11

your fiesta weighs less than 900 kilos? guess they do as they rust like buggery :lol:

are you really sure you need more stopping power for your 75 bhp? improve the grip with decent tyres and suspension first, then fit better brake pads.

19th October 2012, 22:19

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Originally Posted by Old_School_Saxo

well my 300mm brake on my fiesta anit enough lol so i dont think 250mm brakes are enough on a car thats the same weight lol.

What fucking power are you running that 300mm brakes arent enough?

19th October 2012, 22:54

get some 266 big brakes matched with braided lines and a 23mm master cylinder

19th October 2012, 22:58

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Originally Posted by jayline

get some 266 big brakes matched with braided lines and a 23mm master cylinder

Great setup this

19th October 2012, 23:00

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Originally Posted by Xplodee

Great setup this

is that good thing i have this on my car then

tbh i dont see you needing any more than this, but if you do then look into hi spec, wildwood etc!

19th October 2012, 23:12

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Originally Posted by Baz

Thought the R/S brakes where the same on the Furio.

There is 2 different ones from the 20 GTi that fit, 266mm and another one, can't recall what size, 283mm possibly?

I assume you got a good set of disc's and pads allready? No point in getting huge brakes with shit pads and disc's

i dont know thats why im asking lol.

well no as i dont know what pads and discs to buy the match the caiplers lol but it will have the same as my fiesta ds25000 pads and drilled and groved discs with braided lines, which ill get so as i know which caiplers i need lol.

19th October 2012, 23:14

300mm not enough?

I can stop bloody well in my vtr with a boot full of shit on poverty pads!

19th October 2012, 23:33

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Originally Posted by welshpug

your fiesta weighs less than 900 kilos? guess they do as they rust like buggery :lol:

are you really sure you need more stopping power for your 75 bhp? improve the grip with decent tyres and suspension first, then fit better brake pads.

Yeap, the fiesta zs is one of the heavyest fiestas mine is the lowest trim model that only weighs 920kgs with everying in and shes striped out.

after xmas it will have a 1.6 with cams headwork full exhaust ect and suspension it will have a full spax kit with full polybush set and vts anit roll bar with good rubber and wheels.

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Originally Posted by Gabbastard

What fucking power are you running that 300mm brakes arent enough?

lol im running 300mm up front with ds2500 pads black dimond combi discs with braided lines all round and 280mm on the rear, i could easly out brake every std ford and most track pugs/saxo in fact a track 106 gti and a 206 gti couldnt keep up with me on a trackday 2 weeks ago lol and im not running dull power just i will leave it to the very very last second to brake lol.

on fords 300mm is avrage lol, its fitted to all mk3 mondeos as std lol but im running focus st170 caiplers which have bigger pistons and much better choice of pads.

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Originally Posted by jayline

get some 266 big brakes matched with braided lines and a 23mm master cylinder

266mm big :/ thats small in fact thats close to the smallest size you can get on a ford lol, one lad has pointed out about 280mm (ish) braieded lines upratted pads and discs are a must, what car is the 23mm m/c from?
thanks

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Originally Posted by jayline

is that good thing i have this on my car then

tbh i dont see you needing any more than this, but if you do then look into hi spec, wildwood etc!

i never keep a car long enough to buy good brake kits this is my thrid toy car this year lol.

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Originally Posted by chinkostu

300mm not enough?

I can stop bloody well in my vtr with a boot full of shit on poverty pads!

the car out brakes most cars but i like living it to the very last second to brake and i fking hate abs and if i find it on my car its going NOW! (havnt had a look at the car yet tidy as it was a cheapy off a family member and ive brough it home and just parked it up lol well for £50 you cant go wrong lol)

19th October 2012, 23:41

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Originally Posted by Old_School_Saxo

266mm big :/ thats small in fact thats close to the smallest size you can get on a ford lol, one lad has pointed out about 280mm (ish) braieded lines upratted pads and discs are a must, what car is the 23mm m/c from?
thanks

well this is Citroen not ford so theres a difference already as ford have a bigger variety! i'd go for 266 with braided lines from master cylinder which should be a 23mm that you get from a vts or gti (i think) then put some 5:1 fluid in and you got a good setup! then theres brake pads and disc's but that depends on what its used for e.g daily or track!

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Originally Posted by Old_School_Saxo

i never keep a car long enough to buy good brake kits this is my thrid toy car this year lol.

fair play mate, i got so much to do on mine atm i cant get another

20th October 2012, 00:06

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Originally Posted by jayline

well this is Citroen not ford so theres a difference already as ford have a bigger variety! i'd go for 266 with braided lines from master cylinder which should be a 23mm that you get from a vts or gti (i think) then put some 5:1 fluid in and you got a good setup! then theres brake pads and disc's but that depends on what its used for e.g daily or track!

fair play mate, i got so much to do on mine atm i cant get another

well thats funny since all derv fords between 2001 and 2007 used pug engines lol (not sure if there still using them) and only two fords use 300mm and bigger not even the escort cossie had 300mm's thay only ran 280 lol and ford use bosh caiplers just as citroen does.

Ok thanks i didnt know there was a bigger m/c on the saxos one of them will be coming next week, brakes wise i was going to run ds2500 pads with black diamond combi discs with braided lines and 5.1 brake fuild just didnt know what caiplers to use, ive got some saying 266 and some saying 280 (odd) but ill think ill go with the 280s that one member has offered me

but still thanks for the advise

Well i never got the last two cars to the full spec i wanted, the first one i was running 220bhp n/a with cage carbon firbe panels and so on but i got rid of it after three months and the fiesta is at the point now where it only needs more power which i do have a spare 200bhp 185lb/ft engine to drop in it lol but it needs a custom drivers mount but im to busy latly with work and kids to do any work on it lol, what i tend to do is buy a car strip it build it back up with new parts do a few trackdays and get rid then start all over again lol.

Its not a daily car as i already have an astra H for that but i dont think i want it for a track car either (safety issues) think for the first time in 7 years i mite have it as a show/weekend car (just something thats fast and dont brake the bank but looks mint at the same time)

20th October 2012, 08:24

Given youll sell it next week dont bother

20th October 2012, 10:30

I got the 266mm C2 VTS front brake disc and they are very good for road use,i highly recommend them.

20th October 2012, 20:39

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Originally Posted by welshpug

Given youll sell it next week dont bother

well i tend to take the parts off first and sell them on there own and crush the car lol so i really only lose out of the car but i only paid £50 so i will still be quids in lol.

21st October 2012, 11:03

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Originally Posted by Old_School_Saxo

lol im running 300mm up front with ds2500 pads black dimond combi discs with braided lines all round and 280mm on the rear, i could easly out brake every std ford and most track pugs/saxo in fact a track 106 gti and a 206 gti couldnt keep up with me on a trackday 2 weeks ago lol and im not running dull power just i will leave it to the very very last second to brake lol.

how do you know this isnt down to driving skill?? also 206 gtis are slower than a 106 gti/vts so it is less likely to keep up lol

i think you'll find most people in motorsport stick to the std 247mm brakes with decent pads and discs, people dont usually do this on road cars as that is the most expensive option really as decent spec pads and discs will be much more expensive and powerful than a oem spec bigger brake conversion ie the 206 gti 266's, gti 80/gti-6 283mm set up etc

they stick to the oem calipers and disc size to keep unsprung weight down

then the next step is usually aftermarket light wieght calieprs which means you can go up a size but still not add weight

i currently run heavy 283's as im not overly bothered about unsprung weight but as i said first oem brakes with good pads/discs/hoses and fluid is the best option out of the pug/cit range but is expensive its not jsut about what is the biggest disc you can bolt on for pub talk