Car still won't start!

1. user_58023 Established Member Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 1411

   #1 24th October 2012, 12:03

   Right i have spark and fuel priming going to the injectors. All the earths are on correctly. Everything is plugged in. Cranks over. But won't start!?
   
   Any ideas?
   
   The ECU is supposed to be unlocked. . could that be the problem?
2. billy-vts Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2012 wolverhampton Posts: 103 Saxo vts :)

   #2 24th October 2012, 12:08

   check wires on starter motor mate, that kept cutting my immobliser in because of spade corroded and broke off. but thats an s so dunno if wiring same but worth try, or push big red button
3. Cam Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Nov 2010 Kent Posts: 8439 Gen 7 Celica 190.

   #3 24th October 2012, 12:08

   If its sparking and pulseing the injectors theres no reason why it wont start
4. user_52335 Banned Joined: May 2011 north london Posts: 1618 mk1 flat arch

   #4 24th October 2012, 12:26

   Have you taken the imbolisser out from under the dash as that could be the problem!
5. Scrapso Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 152

   #5 24th October 2012, 12:30

   He said the pump is priming so don't push the big red button but if it was an immobiliser issue it wouldn't spark I'd lean more towards checking the crank sensor
6. user_58023 Established Member Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 1411

   #6 24th October 2012, 12:48

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Cam If its sparking and pulseing the injectors theres no reason why it wont start

   Excatly! Thats why i can't figure it out. Done everything i could possibly think of
7. Cam Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Nov 2010 Kent Posts: 8439 Gen 7 Celica 190.

   #7 24th October 2012, 12:51

   Well its not sparking then isit
8. user_58023 Established Member Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 1411

   #8 24th October 2012, 13:02

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Cam Well its not sparking then isit

   it is, i've checked all four, all sparking fine
9. Cam Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Nov 2010 Kent Posts: 8439 Gen 7 Celica 190.

   #9 24th October 2012, 13:05

   It wont pulse the injectors and spark but not fire lol
   
   Hows the timing
10. user_58023 Established Member Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 1411

    #10 24th October 2012, 14:26

    Well it seems it is :/ Only other thing i can think of is the injectors aren't working perhaps? I fiddled about with the coil pack order thats made no difference.
    
    Timing should be bang on! everything lined up at tdc when it wasn't in the car. Really have no clue what else it could be now!
    
    EDIT: Just noticed that the battery light on the dash in very dim? Not sure what that means and if that could be stopping it fire somehow.
11. vtrtommie Infrequent Poster Joined: Oct 2012 Wiltshire Posts: 175 52 1.4 furio, 01 1.6 VTS 16v

    #11 25th October 2012, 00:38

    you tried bump starting?
12. Scrapso Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 152

    #12 25th October 2012, 11:03

    Have you checked if there's fuel coming out of the rail? If there is fuel there and spark it should fire have you tried another crank sensor as I stated before?
13. user_12874 Frequent Poster Joined: Dec 2006 London, England Posts: 734 Saxo VTS, Audi A6 Avant Quattro.

    #13 25th October 2012, 11:17

    How have you checked for fuel and ignition? Have you done some work on the car and now it wont start?
    
    If battery is low it could well struggle to fire, but that could just be because you've been cranking it for a while.
    
    Is crank sensor plugged in / working? Wont fire without crank sensor in.
14. user_58023 Established Member Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 1411

    #14 25th October 2012, 14:00

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Scrapso Have you checked if there's fuel coming out of the rail? If there is fuel there and spark it should fire have you tried another crank sensor as I stated before?

    No. That was my next thing to do today but i'm not going to have time. But tbf i wouldn't know how to check :/
    And there shouldn't be anything wrong the with the crank sensor, it worked fine on the old engine i had in there. But i thought if the crank isn't working it shouldn't spark? or is that wrong.
    
    

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bytor How have you checked for fuel and ignition? Have you done some work on the car and now it wont start? If battery is low it could well struggle to fire, but that could just be because you've been cranking it for a while. Is crank sensor plugged in / working? Wont fire without crank sensor in.

    Checked the spark by earthing it on the block and turning it over. and fuel i un-done the fuel pipe slightly into a bottle and it was being pressurised so can't see anything wrong there.
    
    And i put the battery on charge over night the night before yet the light was still dim which is a bit worrying. . :/
15. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #15 25th October 2012, 14:26

    Have you had the engine out?
    
    If so, make sure you plugged your injector loom back in correctly!
16. user_58023 Established Member Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 1411

    #16 25th October 2012, 14:27

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by blackie_2k5 Have you had the engine out? If so, make sure you plugged your injector loom back in correctly!

    Engine change mate. And pretty sure it's plugged in right, only one plug at back, surely only way one it goes in right?
17. Scrapso Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 152

    #17 25th October 2012, 18:33

    I'm not 100 percent but I'm guessing injectors inject the fuel so if the fuels gettin there but the injectors aren't working correctly the fuel still won't get into the block? Guessing at this point though and sensors are iffy things sometimes its just there time the only way to test it would be put it on someone elses car and see if there car fires with it before replacing it but as far as I'm aware the crank sensore tells the endin when to fire so if it was off fireing at the wrong time it wouldn't start a bit like the timeing I could be wrong with the exacts of what things do but I'm almost certain that's right
18. user_58023 Established Member Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 1411

    #18 26th October 2012, 17:05

    Right sorted the dim battery light, turns out i was missing a small bit of wire from the alternator which i've sorted.
    
    So now i really don't know what to do, the fuel is priming and getting the rail, the coil pack is generating spark, all the sensors are plugged in, every light is on the turn of the key inside.
    
    I now have no idea what to do next? any other ideas? Today i've tried different spark plugs and a different coil pack and a spare crank sensor but it still won't fire
19. user_52335 Banned Joined: May 2011 north london Posts: 1618 mk1 flat arch

    #19 26th October 2012, 17:15

    Come to mine get my spare coo lock that goes with the loom and you could try my Ecu! Plus I got a new number
20. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #20 26th October 2012, 19:55

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by christoph Right sorted the dim battery light, turns out i was missing a small bit of wire from the alternator which i've sorted. So now i really don't know what to do, the fuel is priming and getting the rail, the coil pack is generating spark, all the sensors are plugged in, every light is on the turn of the key inside. I now have no idea what to do next? any other ideas? Today i've tried different spark plugs and a different coil pack and a spare crank sensor but it still won't fire

    start with the basics and go over them again
    
    1) check the coils are sparking the plug
    2) remove the fuel pipe at the rail and crank it over into a bottle..if its getting feul squirt out thats fine
    3) remove the injectors and see if theyre releasing fuel when the engine is cranked over and rail is connected back up
    
    if all of the above are happening it should fire unless the timing is out
    
    or if the earths arent connected up right and the spark isnt strong enough
21. user_58023 Established Member Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 1411

    #21 26th October 2012, 20:51

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by blackie_2k5 start with the basics and go over them again 1) check the coils are sparking the plug 2) remove the fuel pipe at the rail and crank it over into a bottle..if its getting feul squirt out thats fine 3) remove the injectors and see if theyre releasing fuel when the engine is cranked over and rail is connected back up if all of the above are happening it should fire unless the timing is out or if the earths arent connected up right and the spark isnt strong enough

    Done all of the above, but just to make sure and i'm not missing anything, there are only 3 earths right? Two on the gearbox and one of the chassis?
22. Gandi699 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 9100 Amazon green VTR 16v, Inferno RS clio 182

    #22 26th October 2012, 21:48

    Does it fire up if you use a bit of Easy start squirted into the throttle body?
    Try a bit of a clean up of the crank sensor plug connections
23. user_58023 Established Member Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 1411

    #23 26th October 2012, 22:15

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Gandi699 Does it fire up if you use a bit of Easy start squirted into the throttle body? Try a bit of a clean up of the crank sensor plug connections

    Don't know mate, don't have any to even try.
    
    Cleaned the crank sensor as well, even though its only a couple months old.
    
    Just rung my old man he said take the plugs out and drop a bit petrol underneath them to see if it will fire slightly so i know if its sparking right. not sure if that will work though, he only does old school motors really.
24. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #24 26th October 2012, 23:05

    it will fire
    
    try it and report back
25. user_58023 Established Member Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 1411

    #25 26th October 2012, 23:12

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by blackie_2k5 it will fire try it and report back

    okay i'll do that tomorrow and see what happens.