GTI VTS VTR Furio Rear anti roll bar

1. baker556 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2007 127.0.0.1 Posts: 4826 oem+ sax

   #1 30th October 2012, 17:02

   Just a query,
   
   Whats the size difference between each one?
   
   Basically whats the best to get?
   
   I'm gathering they produce less oversteer more understeer, so on my furio which i think has 19mm bars as standard. If i upgraded the rear arb and front arb to a gti arb all round would that produce a better handling car than just on standard or is there not much in it?
   
   
   Another thought how easy is it to actually roll a saxo. Basically not hitting a curb or a gravel pit, a fast corner there must be a limit?
2. Karlb1 Established Member Joined: Jan 2011 Aylesbury Posts: 1868 Seat Leon Cupra tdi

   #2 30th October 2012, 23:29

   I upgraded the rear axle on my furio to a gti one, so had the 24mm arb iirc?
   Definitely made a difference in body roll etc. I didn't touch my fronts so couldn't comment on those.
3. Gandi699 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 9100 Amazon green VTR 16v, Inferno RS clio 182

   #3 30th October 2012, 23:58

   Aren't gtis 22mm?
4. Karlb1 Established Member Joined: Jan 2011 Aylesbury Posts: 1868 Seat Leon Cupra tdi

   #4 31st October 2012, 00:05

   iirc gti is 24mm, vts is 22?
5. Pricklep Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 31279 Citroen Saxo VTS, S60 D5

   #5 31st October 2012, 00:12

   http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=157384
   
   how come the gti arb is bigger? then the vts?
6. barwell1992 Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2011 Rugby Posts: 752 saxo vtr 02, 150bhp yamaha FZ1:)

   #6 31st October 2012, 00:16

   Stiffer rear bar means more over steer, lots of the threads on hear seem to lean more towards the 22mm bar especially with stiffer dampers
7. Gandi699 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 9100 Amazon green VTR 16v, Inferno RS clio 182

   #7 31st October 2012, 00:25

   Reading some threads on here it seems some cars came fitted with whatever they had to hand
   
   I'll have to measure mine, as the beam came off GTi
8. Kebabman Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2012 Lancs Posts: 439 Saxo VTS mk1 stage rally car

   #8 31st October 2012, 00:33

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by baker556 Another thought how easy is it to actually roll a saxo. Basically not hitting a curb or a gravel pit, a fast corner there must be a limit?

   Pretty unlikely you'd roll the car just going round a corner unless you had some seriously sticky rubber on (no road rubber, or even track day stuff. Some seriously sticky tyres would be needed). And even then it would only be if you got a load of oversteer and it suddenly gripped. I wouldn't really worry about rolling it on a track corner.
9. baker556 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2007 127.0.0.1 Posts: 4826 oem+ sax

   #9 1st November 2012, 11:39

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Karlb1 I upgraded the rear axle on my furio to a gti one, so had the 24mm arb iirc? Definitely made a difference in body roll etc. I didn't touch my fronts so couldn't comment on those.

   Less roll, did the back step out more or less?
   
   

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Gandi699 Aren't gtis 22mm?

   Apparently a 24mm
   
   

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Karlb1 iirc gti is 24mm, vts is 22?

   Correct.
   
   

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Prickle http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=157384 how come the gti arb is bigger? then the vts?

   Not sure maybe more of an expensive car?
   
   

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by barwell1992 Stiffer rear bar means more over steer, lots of the threads on hear seem to lean more towards the 22mm bar especially with stiffer dampers

   I thought stiffer rear arb was less over steer more understeer, and a stiffer front arb means more oversteer?!
   
   

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Gandi699 Reading some threads on here it seems some cars came fitted with whatever they had to hand I'll have to measure mine, as the beam came off GTi

   I have also heard that, im looking for whats the best and why.
   
   

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Kebabman Pretty unlikely you'd roll the car just going round a corner unless you had some seriously sticky rubber on (no road rubber, or even track day stuff. Some seriously sticky tyres would be needed). And even then it would only be if you got a load of oversteer and it suddenly gripped. I wouldn't really worry about rolling it on a track corner.

   Thanks for the info, i went on Lydden hill race track and the back end i could feel getting twitchy around 60-70mph mark sweeping bend. I'm not sure if this was to do with body roll itself. If i had a stiffer arb would this cure it? Would it feel more planted so i could be more confident as a driver?
   
   Thanks for all the replies, trying to understand what the best setup is and what i can gain etc. Any additional replies from any other experience to keep the thread going would be a great help...
10. Bedford126 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2010 Morley, Leeds Posts: 8469 Civic ep3 type r powered by TDI NORTH

    #10 1st November 2012, 15:02

    I got both vts and gti arb's here and they both have totally different feel to them. All depends on what you are wanting to set the car up for and your driving style.
    
    I found the 24mm felt more planted but you can feel the inner rear tyre lift on hard conering.
11. baker556 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2007 127.0.0.1 Posts: 4826 oem+ sax

    #11 1st November 2012, 19:53

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Bedford126 I got both vts and gti arb's here and they both have totally different feel to them. All depends on what you are wanting to set the car up for and your driving style. I found the 24mm felt more planted but you can feel the inner rear tyre lift on hard conering.

    Bedford did you also have front gti arb?
    
    So the gti one you can corner harder would you say?
12. Bedford126 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2010 Morley, Leeds Posts: 8469 Civic ep3 type r powered by TDI NORTH

    #12 1st November 2012, 20:11

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by baker556 Bedford did you also have front gti arb? So the gti one you can corner harder would you say?

    Yeah I have both the vts and gti.
    
    Its ok saying that you can corner harder it all depends on how your driving. I have had my arse fall out around corners with both the vts and gti arb's. But the rear end was deffo more rigid with the gti bar. My car is only lowered 35mm though.