Lowering Rear End

1. user_60524 Infrequent Poster Joined: Jul 2012 Edinburgh Posts: 229 Saxo 1.1 Desire Silver

   #1 1st November 2012, 14:08

   What tools and how long will it take me to lowerer the rear end of my sax? just going to follow a guide which is on here...
2. Bedford126 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2010 Morley, Leeds Posts: 8469 Civic ep3 type r powered by TDI NORTH

   #2 1st November 2012, 14:55

   Big hammer, Metal bar, Spanner set, socket set, Torx set, tape measure, wire brush and a drift. That's about it really.
   
   No one will be able to tell you how long its going to take because we don't know how good you are or how mechanically minded you are.
3. user_60524 Infrequent Poster Joined: Jul 2012 Edinburgh Posts: 229 Saxo 1.1 Desire Silver

   #3 1st November 2012, 17:08

   cheers mate
4. user_57752 Regular Poster Joined: Feb 2012 Oswestry, Shropshire Posts: 476 Cammed MK1 VTR

   #4 1st November 2012, 17:29

   big hammer being the most important....(biggest hammer you can find)
5. LSOfreak Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2008 west london Posts: 13810

   #5 1st November 2012, 19:27

   socket for arb
   socket for damper nut
   torx socket for end of bars
   flat head screwdriver/small hammer/pliers for eccentric washers
   hammer and some sort of metal bar to hit the torsion bars out with
   jack to lift the trailing arm
   measuring tape
   and a squirt of wd40 wont go a miss
6. user_57752 Regular Poster Joined: Feb 2012 Oswestry, Shropshire Posts: 476 Cammed MK1 VTR

   #6 2nd November 2012, 16:31

   will be needing to lower a beam myself soon as i gotta change mine over but when you choose how much to lower it, do you just jack the trailing arm up as much as u want to lower it, so for example jack it 40mm to lower the beam 40mm?
7. Bedford126 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2010 Morley, Leeds Posts: 8469 Civic ep3 type r powered by TDI NORTH

   #7 2nd November 2012, 16:48

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by jamie281093 will be needing to lower a beam myself soon as i gotta change mine over but when you choose how much to lower it, do you just jack the trailing arm up as much as u want to lower it, so for example jack it 40mm to lower the beam 40mm?

   If you want to lower it 40mm you jack the trailing arm up 45mm because it will fall 5mm when you remove the jack.
   
   Its pretty easy if you use decent tools. Also replace everything you can and clean what you cant up with a wire brush and grease everything you can.
8. LSOfreak Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2008 west london Posts: 13810

   #8 2nd November 2012, 16:57

   so, on the subject, if you were raising the suspension 40mm, then how much do you let the jack down? still 45mm?
9. user_57752 Regular Poster Joined: Feb 2012 Oswestry, Shropshire Posts: 476 Cammed MK1 VTR

   #9 2nd November 2012, 17:00

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Bedford126 If you want to lower it 40mm you jack the trailing arm up 45mm because it will fall 5mm when you remove the jack. Its pretty easy if you use decent tools. Also replace everything you can and clean what you cant up with a wire brush and grease everything you can.

   ahh ok cheers
10. Bedford126 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2010 Morley, Leeds Posts: 8469 Civic ep3 type r powered by TDI NORTH

    #10 2nd November 2012, 17:00

    No if you are lowering 40mm you let the jack down 35mm as it drops 5mm on its own.

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11. user_57752 Regular Poster Joined: Feb 2012 Oswestry, Shropshire Posts: 476 Cammed MK1 VTR

    #11 2nd November 2012, 17:02

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by LSOfreak so, on the subject, if you were raising the suspension 40mm, then how much do you let the jack down? still 45mm?

    well if the arm drops 5 mm when you remove the jack wouldnt u need to let the jack down 35? then it drops the extra 5?
    
    why does it drop 5mm anyway?
12. user_57752 Regular Poster Joined: Feb 2012 Oswestry, Shropshire Posts: 476 Cammed MK1 VTR

    #12 2nd November 2012, 17:04

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Bedford126 No if you are lowering 40mm you let the jack down 35mm as it drops 5mm on its own.

    haha cheers mate, knew thats what u meant, didnt even notice the mistake haha
13. Bedford126 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2010 Morley, Leeds Posts: 8469 Civic ep3 type r powered by TDI NORTH

    #13 2nd November 2012, 17:05

    Something to do with the strain on the torsion bar by the time the tiny bit of play gets to the end of the trailing arm it works out at 5-7mm ish.
14. user_57752 Regular Poster Joined: Feb 2012 Oswestry, Shropshire Posts: 476 Cammed MK1 VTR

    #14 2nd November 2012, 17:06

    ahh okk, suppose it is similar to it all settling down then cheers
15. Bean Established Member Joined: Mar 2009 derby Posts: 1276 Black 03 vtr, Yamaha R1 @185 bhp

    #15 2nd November 2012, 21:40

    You would probably need some m8 threaded bar to try and wind the bar out rather than thrash it out because that tends to push the trailing arm off
16. Bedford126 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2010 Morley, Leeds Posts: 8469 Civic ep3 type r powered by TDI NORTH

    #16 2nd November 2012, 21:45

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Bean You would probably need some m8 threaded bar to try and wind the bar out rather than thrash it out because that tends to push the trailing arm off

    This isnt a good way to do it more often than not the threaded bar snaps and is a pain in the arse to get out.
    
    The best way by far is a torsion bar cut in 2 and use the end of that to hit the bar out normally takes less than 5 hits if you hit it hard enough.
17. Bean Established Member Joined: Mar 2009 derby Posts: 1276 Black 03 vtr, Yamaha R1 @185 bhp

    #17 2nd November 2012, 21:53

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Bedford126 This isnt a good way to do it more often than not the threaded bar snaps and is a pain in the arse to get out. The best way by far is a torsion bar cut in 2 and use the end of that to hit the bar out normally takes less than 5 hits if you hit it hard enough.

    I agree that it can snap (snapped on me once) the only reason I wound it out as it wouldn't come out the trailing arm end for shit
18. user_57752 Regular Poster Joined: Feb 2012 Oswestry, Shropshire Posts: 476 Cammed MK1 VTR

    #18 2nd November 2012, 22:02

    could you not just use a hammer and punch? to knock the torsion bar out trying not to mushroom the end?
19. LSOfreak Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2008 west london Posts: 13810

    #19 3rd November 2012, 14:35

    you could, but a hammer and big fuck off bar would work better
    
    id only use a threaded bar if the torsion bar has already been out recently and was greased up. Otherwise i can just see the thread snapping inside there lol

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20. user_57752 Regular Poster Joined: Feb 2012 Oswestry, Shropshire Posts: 476 Cammed MK1 VTR

    #20 3rd November 2012, 14:39

    okk cheers for the help axle is coming tuesday all being well
21. chris-hall-yo Frequent Poster Joined: Sep 2011 Stratford-upon-avon Posts: 596 Saxo 1.1

    #21 3rd November 2012, 20:59

    Dont use a cheap punch/chissel ffs. I did last sunday and it shattered and put me in hospital. 3 stiches in the eye is not fun. Sledge hammer + cheap tools dont go!!
22. user_57752 Regular Poster Joined: Feb 2012 Oswestry, Shropshire Posts: 476 Cammed MK1 VTR

    #22 4th November 2012, 01:42

    ouch!! unlucky about they eye mate. no eye goggles then i take it? i had a few close calls quite a few times so am careful lol
23. chris-hall-yo Frequent Poster Joined: Sep 2011 Stratford-upon-avon Posts: 596 Saxo 1.1

    #23 4th November 2012, 13:33

    ye no goggles, was my own fault haha! Just a warning
24. user_31637 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Isle of Man Posts: 9844 92 Eunos

    #24 4th November 2012, 13:38

    pics?
25. chris-hall-yo Frequent Poster Joined: Sep 2011 Stratford-upon-avon Posts: 596 Saxo 1.1

    #25 4th November 2012, 17:17

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Jay_ pics?

    of my eye? I do actually have one if u wanna see a fucked up pupil....
26. user_57752 Regular Poster Joined: Feb 2012 Oswestry, Shropshire Posts: 476 Cammed MK1 VTR

    #26 5th November 2012, 04:05

    cheers for the warning personally i'd rather not see the pic haha
27. Old_School_Saxo Infrequent Poster Joined: Oct 2012 Cearphilly (Area) Posts: 218 Saxo Ph2 Furio, Fiesta Mk4 1.7, Astra H 1.8 SRI

    #27 5th November 2012, 15:38

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by chris-hall-yo of my eye? I do actually have one if u wanna see a fucked up pupil....

    Yeah lol, hope your alright.
28. chris-hall-yo Frequent Poster Joined: Sep 2011 Stratford-upon-avon Posts: 596 Saxo 1.1

    #28 5th November 2012, 20:31

    This is how it was befor the operation hahaha looks crazy!!!!
    
    
    
    Got to love french cars! good luck mate