swinging out the rear

1. ns9900 Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2012 123 happy land, worcestershire/surrey Posts: 798 saxo vtr 2002

   #1 20th November 2012, 18:18

   came up to a round about , going for 2nd exit which is about 2 o clock? came up to it at 30 in the recent rain and i swung the rear end out! pretty much drifted just to straighten up to make the exit. ground was flat but a good deal of rain. got 3000 miles old flaken 912 on stock vtr rims with a lowering of about 50mm all round.
   
   few things:
   1. opinion on the tyre?
   2. is 50 mm so low it makes the back end swing, tyres arent great in the wet or am i simply going around it a little fast for the conditions?
2. iSlayeR Established Member Joined: Aug 2009 King's lynn Posts: 2073 Turbocharged vtr

   #2 20th November 2012, 19:48

   driving to fast in the wet round corners, even in my crap fiesta that feels like a boat round corners i don't step out
3. ns9900 Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2012 123 happy land, worcestershire/surrey Posts: 798 saxo vtr 2002

   #3 20th November 2012, 19:57

   def need to slow down then, thanks!
4. Beaniemoo Established Member Joined: Oct 2008 Milton Keynes Posts: 1210 Yellow 106 Rallye

   #4 20th November 2012, 21:09

   You lifted. Take a bit of a read up on lift off oversteer.

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5. Gandi699 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 9100 Amazon green VTR 16v, Inferno RS clio 182

   #5 20th November 2012, 21:20

   Exactly the above, wet roads will exacerbate it
6. josh11490 Established Member Joined: Sep 2011 Ebbw Vale Posts: 1180 Clio 182 Daily, 106 GTi Track Project

   #6 21st November 2012, 16:27

   I'm down 50mm on budget tyres and I haven't lost it yet.
7. welshpug Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2010 South Wales Posts: 3078 ZX 16v, 205 GTI, 309 Goodwood, 405 MI16.

   #7 21st November 2012, 16:39

   you don't drive hard enough, lol.

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8. josh11490 Established Member Joined: Sep 2011 Ebbw Vale Posts: 1180 Clio 182 Daily, 106 GTi Track Project

   #8 21st November 2012, 22:49

   Haha, I can't afford to drive it that much. I've nearly lost it though
9. dave_1 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2010 llwyngwril Posts: 2698 saxo vts, Landrover td5, 16 tonne skyline

   #9 21st November 2012, 22:57

   Round abouts are usually the worst place for oil/petrol/desiel to sit so can be slippy. But everything else above also applies I used to use falken tyres but the wets and never had any problems moved to pilots now and seems to step out a bit more
10. user_31637 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Isle of Man Posts: 9844 92 Eunos

    #10 21st November 2012, 23:18

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Beaniemoo You lifted. Take a bit of a read up on lift off oversteer.

    This.
    

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Gandi699 Exactly the above, wet roads will exacerbate it

    Fuck me lad, 90% of the users on here won't understand that word!

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11. AzzAW93 Frequent Poster Joined: May 2010 worcester Posts: 703 peugeot 106 VTR

    #11 21st November 2012, 23:21

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Jay_ Fuck me lad, 90% of the users on here won't understand that word!

    me for one but im pretty sure i can guess what it means lol
12. ns9900 Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2012 123 happy land, worcestershire/surrey Posts: 798 saxo vtr 2002

    #12 22nd November 2012, 01:09

    i get the words, only, this time round, imma try not to lift. the looks on the old guys face on the pavement, priceless!
13. jasonmayall Established Member Joined: Mar 2011 Birmingham Posts: 2148 Rover BRM, Rover 800 Coupe, Mk6 golf.

    #13 22nd November 2012, 17:34

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ns9900 i get the words, only, this time round, imma try not to lift. the looks on the old guys face on the pavement, priceless!

    Instead of trying to go round islands as fast as you can - It would make a little more sense if you just slowed down a bit.
    You're only going to write off your car and increase the insurance premiums for the rest of us.

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14. yassa Newbie Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 3

    #14 22nd November 2012, 17:47

    learn to drive, if you want to drift get a rwd car and go crash that with your aewsome drifting skills
15. m4tt274 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Sep 2011 Doncaster Posts: 2627 Fabia VRS, mk1 fiesta + some others

    #15 22nd November 2012, 18:30

    you lifted off the throttle and suffered lift off over steer.
    
    usually, saxos with 4 matching tires with correct pressures on dont step out much, its usually ones with a mis-match of linglongs and a decent tire on the front etc
    
    check tire tread
    check tire pressure
    make sure you dont have some serious weight in the boot eg anvil, fat chick etc
    drive smoothly and slowly in and accelerate out
16. Mochachino Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card

    #16 22nd November 2012, 18:35

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by m4tt274 you lifted off the throttle and suffered lift off over steer. usually, saxos with 4 matching tires with correct pressures on dont step out much, its usually ones with a mis-match of linglongs and a decent tire on the front etc check tire tread check tire pressure make sure you dont have some serious weight in the boot eg anvil, fat chick etc drive smoothly and slowly in and accelerate out

    Exactly the above,check for anvil in your boot.

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17. MuZiZZle Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2011 Newcastle upon Tyne Posts: 7779 Phase 2 VTS , E61 M5

    #17 23rd November 2012, 08:35

    "drifted"
    
    lolzzzzzz
18. user_12874 Frequent Poster Joined: Dec 2006 London, England Posts: 734 Saxo VTS, Audi A6 Avant Quattro.

    #18 24th November 2012, 17:39

    If the back end is lower than the front, it will be arse happy.
19. yr51ocw Frequent Poster Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 751

    #19 24th November 2012, 17:43

    trackdays are for practising this kind of thing, not the public road.
20. welshpug Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2010 South Wales Posts: 3078 ZX 16v, 205 GTI, 309 Goodwood, 405 MI16.

    #20 24th November 2012, 18:02

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bytor If the back end is lower than the front, it will be arse happy.

    only if its so low that its bouncing on the stops.
21. Mochachino Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card

    #21 24th November 2012, 18:08

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by yr51ocw trackdays are for practising this kind of thing, not the public road.

    I dont think tracks have roundabouts on to practice entering too fast on to make the arse end go out. Briefing at the trackday doesn't usually go "nows the time to brake round corners and practice getting the rear end out" either
22. user_57752 Regular Poster Joined: Feb 2012 Oswestry, Shropshire Posts: 476 Cammed MK1 VTR

    #22 24th November 2012, 18:29

    take it somewhere out the way when its a slippy day and practice
23. Mochachino Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card

    #23 24th November 2012, 18:38

    just found the OP on ypoutube:
    
    
24. user_49404 Frequent Poster Joined: Dec 2010 Mid Wales Posts: 604 03 vtr

    #24 25th November 2012, 18:35

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mochachino just found the OP on ypoutube: saxo drift - YouTube

    Wow, where to start?
25. user_58023 Established Member Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 1411

    #25 25th November 2012, 19:14

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mochachino just found the OP on ypoutube: saxo drift - YouTube

    And they wonder why everyone thinks because you have a saxo you're a dick.
26. user_57752 Regular Poster Joined: Feb 2012 Oswestry, Shropshire Posts: 476 Cammed MK1 VTR

    #26 28th November 2012, 03:02

    that is the reason younger people like me pay stupid insurance prices
27. m4tt274 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Sep 2011 Doncaster Posts: 2627 Fabia VRS, mk1 fiesta + some others

    #27 28th November 2012, 08:09

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jamie281093 that is the reason younger people like me pay stupid insurance prices

    well, he didnt crash so he could could argue not
28. axsaxoman Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2003 Scotland Posts: 3380

    #28 28th November 2012, 10:05

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by welshpug only if its so low that its bouncing on the stops.

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    the reason will be that the rear end is too low,relative to front and weight distribution front to rear is wrong --presuming tyre pressures are correct
    It is possible it could be sat on the bump stops ,but not at -50mm from std
29. user_57752 Regular Poster Joined: Feb 2012 Oswestry, Shropshire Posts: 476 Cammed MK1 VTR

    #29 2nd December 2012, 18:23

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by m4tt274 well, he didnt crash so he could could argue not

    i was talkin about the video that was posted lol, and maybe not as he didnt crash, but police if and stuff seen that, doesnt set a good example does it now