4-2-1? 4-1?

1. liam56 Newbie Joined: May 2012 Posts: 20

   #1 22nd November 2012, 21:30

   what diffrence is there between the 4-1 and the 4-2-1 manifolds?
2. user_57064 Established Member Joined: Jan 2012 south essex!! Posts: 2442 posi blue vtrs race car

   #2 22nd November 2012, 21:32

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by liam56 what diffrence is there between the 4-1 and the 4-2-1 manifolds?

   Power delivery... 4-2-1 gives better high rpm 4-1 gives more torque iirc...

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3. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

   #3 23rd November 2012, 10:37

   only on a properly tuned racecar might you notice a difference.
   On the VTS for a bolt on manifold the Supersprint makes the best power
4. welshpug Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2010 South Wales Posts: 3078 ZX 16v, 205 GTI, 309 Goodwood, 405 MI16.

   #4 23rd November 2012, 12:48

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by greyjasper51 Power delivery... 4-2-1 gives better high rpm 4-1 gives more torque iirc...

   Arse backwards that is, and only a general view, most well designed 4-2-1's do both.
5. DJVTR Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2009 northamptonshire Posts: 719 saxo furio/vtr

   #5 24th November 2012, 06:04

   i have just fitted my supersprint 4-2-1 NO POWERE DIFFERENCE WHAT SO EVER !!!
   but it sounds very nice now

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6. liam56 Newbie Joined: May 2012 Posts: 20

   #6 24th November 2012, 13:46

   thanks guys what would be the best one to go for ?
7. josh11490 Established Member Joined: Sep 2011 Ebbw Vale Posts: 1180 Clio 182 Daily, 106 GTi Track Project

   #7 24th November 2012, 13:50

   I fitted a supersprint 4-2-1 on my vtr and it feels like it pulled better in the higher revs but I'm not sure if its placebo lol
8. josh11490 Established Member Joined: Sep 2011 Ebbw Vale Posts: 1180 Clio 182 Daily, 106 GTi Track Project

   #8 24th November 2012, 13:51

   Definatly worth it for the sound alone haha what car you putting it on? Vtr/s?
   
   http://youtu.be/_wTcQaCfP3s
   
   There's a video of mine.
9. liam56 Newbie Joined: May 2012 Posts: 20

   #9 24th November 2012, 14:00

   putting it on the vtr but unsure what 4-2-1 to go for as my oil filter on just below the manifold so need to order the right one lol
10. Carlvtr88 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2009 Birmingham Posts: 5801 1.1 106 XN Time, MK2 VTR 01. Ford Focus ST3 CP320

    #10 24th November 2012, 14:09

    I got a ToyoSports one on mine. (from ebay) 4 -2 -1 Heatwrapped aswell. £140 quid.
    
    I had this same debate a few months ago and was going pay all that money on a Supersprint. I saw the cheap one and thought, " defo not " but a few people on here have them and said they are fine.
    
    I ended up buying one and since getting it over a year ago, I've had no problems at all, It fit perfectly on my Mark 2, came with all gaskets and sounds nice and made a fairly significant difference in throttle response.
    
    It wears off after a bit though so don't expect turbo performance.... Super sprint / Toyosports, either way after about a month you wont really notice the difference as much.
    
    Always sounds nice though.
11. josh11490 Established Member Joined: Sep 2011 Ebbw Vale Posts: 1180 Clio 182 Daily, 106 GTi Track Project

    #11 24th November 2012, 14:19

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by liam56 putting it on the vtr but unsure what 4-2-1 to go for as my oil filter on just below the manifold so need to order the right one lol

    The supersprint does sit close to the oil filter, misses it by like 5mm but I haven't had any problems yet, i might still do an oil filter conversation yet.
12. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

    #12 24th November 2012, 15:11

    simple trick is to use stick on aluminium heat sheild over the oil filter. Reflect the heat away from it.
13. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

    #13 24th November 2012, 15:13

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DJVTR i have just fitted my supersprint 4-2-1 NO POWERE DIFFERENCE WHAT SO EVER !!! but it sounds very nice now

    Supersprint only make a manifold if they can get a performance gain...
    
    But the rest of the system will make a difference to how the manifold will work as well. What do you have?