huge banging sound

1. 1-1dicky Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2009 maidstone Posts: 702 saxo vtr

   #1 19th December 2012, 09:00

   hi all. my mates saxo is making a really bad sound, when you pull away, or turn right it makes a really loud bang and makes the whole car move and makes the steering wheel twitch. its recently had new wishbones, springs, shocks , droplinks, driverside driveshaft, top mounts and bearings. we checked everything was tight last night and no movement in anything and all looked good apart from drivers driveshaft. it seems to bounce up and down when its spinning. so were thinking its this. whats everyones opinions?
   thanks
2. user_29491 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2008 Lancs Posts: 4124 JP4S'd R.

   #2 19th December 2012, 09:31

   Clearly the shaft mate
3. W343NNA Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2012 Derbyshire Posts: 770

   #3 19th December 2012, 09:32

   Could be drive shaft, if not then sounds like diffs on its way out!
   
   Best way to describe the diff going, starts of thinking its a drive shaft, then driving around more it starts as what only can be described as a bike chain slipping when pedalling up hill lol
   
   Drive shaft will start as a repetative thud on cornering turning into a loud banging / a constant squeek and will lock up on full lock when its mullerd matey
4. mattfinch Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2007 Kent Posts: 146 Silver Saxo 1.6 16v Gunmetel Grey Nissan 350z GT

   #4 19th December 2012, 10:19

   When we pull away in the car, mainly turning right the noise and feel of the car is like driving over a loose pebel in the road if that helps.
5. user_39461 Super Moderator Joined: Nov 2009 Cambridge(ish), UK. Posts: 10581 BMW 5x M50d.

   #5 19th December 2012, 10:44

   it's the shaft(s). Change em before you crash (into something/someone).

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6. mattfinch Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2007 Kent Posts: 146 Silver Saxo 1.6 16v Gunmetel Grey Nissan 350z GT

   #6 19th December 2012, 10:53

   Cheers mate. We are going to change it tonight and see if that works

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7. mattfinch Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2007 Kent Posts: 146 Silver Saxo 1.6 16v Gunmetel Grey Nissan 350z GT

   #7 19th December 2012, 23:47

   We have changed the drivers drive shaft and still no better. When you turn right it makes this horrible grinding and bang and the steering wheel has a mind of its own turning to the left and then right like nothing is attached to it. Any ideas
8. 1-1dicky Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2009 maidstone Posts: 702 saxo vtr

   #8 21st December 2012, 19:58

   right guys after changing both driveshafts on my mates car with good ones we still had the problem. we also have changed the top gearbox mount and checked the one under the ecu. but still no luck. when you pull away but not everytime it made the banging sound. we noticed that when pulling away the raceland air box hits the slam panel. weve took this off and still the same noise. but that shows the it might be something to do with the engine. any other ideas?
9. Cam Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Nov 2010 Kent Posts: 8439 Gen 7 Celica 190.

   #9 21st December 2012, 20:07

   You checked the mount under the battery tray mine did the same then looked like this
   
10. 1-1dicky Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2009 maidstone Posts: 702 saxo vtr

    #10 21st December 2012, 20:35

    christ! i havent checked them actual bolts, iv changed the rubber mount above it though.... ps i see you most mornings and some evenings coming up bluebell hill, seen you a few times in gillingham too. car looks real smart! i can only assume you work nights
11. W343NNA Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2012 Derbyshire Posts: 770

    #11 21st December 2012, 21:18

    If thats not your answer then im still standing by diffs on its way out,
12. SouthernServiceAndTuning L-plater Joined: Sep 2012 surrey Posts: 37

    #12 21st December 2012, 21:26

    
    
    this is what happens when a diff goes bad
13. 1-1dicky Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2009 maidstone Posts: 702 saxo vtr

    #13 21st December 2012, 21:30

    yeah im really starting to think that or its a dodgey wishbone. everything else is new including the wishbones. the old ones were fine so were gonna put them on tomorrow and if the noise is still there then i think its gonna have to have a new box. when pulling away quick it does sorta bounce while making the banging sound..... just as if its a locker and not a open diff. but sounds abit slippy. its such a bad noise hard to describe
14. SouthernServiceAndTuning L-plater Joined: Sep 2012 surrey Posts: 37

    #14 21st December 2012, 21:31

    are the bolts under the carpet still tight
15. 1-1dicky Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2009 maidstone Posts: 702 saxo vtr

    #15 21st December 2012, 21:35

    yeah checked them mate on both sides, still tight, checked arb clamps, pinch bolts, top mounts wishbone, droplink, all engine and box mounts, honestly everything i could possibly think off
16. SouthernServiceAndTuning L-plater Joined: Sep 2012 surrey Posts: 37

    #16 21st December 2012, 21:40

    you can drain the gearbox fluid and check to see if there is a metal colour to the oil and see if there is traces of chewed metal

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17. 1-1dicky Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2009 maidstone Posts: 702 saxo vtr

    #17 21st December 2012, 21:43

    what would a metal color be, when draining my ,mate reckoned it looked like sand was coming out....
18. SouthernServiceAndTuning L-plater Joined: Sep 2012 surrey Posts: 37

    #18 21st December 2012, 21:47

    you know good oil is black, in oil with metal there will be a slight silver colour to it. if this car has been wheelspinned alot esp with the steering turned to one side and the clutch dumped this would of buggered the planet gears in the diff. that picture of that gearbox i put up that car was abused and the planet gears exploded through the box but this isn't the biggest problem its the oil that coats the hot exhaust
19. 1-1dicky Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2009 maidstone Posts: 702 saxo vtr

    #19 21st December 2012, 21:55

    i think dont quote me on this because it was dark, it was a yellow silver colour. was as if water had got in there. its not my car.my best mates. and i wouldnt say the box has been abused. its had a hard life. its a furio box on a proven 150 bhp vts engine. its been on there months now and as far as we know original box from new 52 plate i think.
20. W343NNA Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2012 Derbyshire Posts: 770

    #20 21st December 2012, 21:56

    My way of testing if its the diff, ( happend three times to me now ), Go to a big carpark and drive full lock the way its juddering and clunking, if its the diff it will soon give up and bearly be able to drive lol
21. SouthernServiceAndTuning L-plater Joined: Sep 2012 surrey Posts: 37

    #21 21st December 2012, 21:57

    thats your problem right there, using a box with cheap parts designed for a lot lower torque esp the diff
22. 1-1dicky Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2009 maidstone Posts: 702 saxo vtr

    #22 21st December 2012, 21:59

    i did say because it is pissing us both off now maybe we should drive it till something gives up so atleast we know what it is!
23. SouthernServiceAndTuning L-plater Joined: Sep 2012 surrey Posts: 37

    #23 21st December 2012, 22:01

    they can go really bad and lock up which at that point your screwed and stuck, i would just replace the box before something really bad happens
24. W343NNA Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2012 Derbyshire Posts: 770

    #24 21st December 2012, 22:07

    Haha weirdly enough, Iv never managed to blow up a 1.1 box, or a vtr or vts, only 3 1.4 boxes!. Its gotta be that back in the day the 1.4 was the chosen car for the rich twaty teen to cain about, i know i gave all of mine death, but the 1.4s really do seem to have week diffs, The more you drive it the worse it gets if its the diff
    
    From my experience of being able to predict a diffs on its way out in a 1.4 box..
    
    When traveling at say 60 + at a constant speed, the car will bob ( this is a really early arning ) as if your on a boat going over slight waves, Bearly noticable also feels liek cars pulling then not so slightly then pulling so to speak
    
    Next comes a random squeek from the passenger side accasionaly when slowing down in 4th or 5th
    
    then its final days,.. Starts off with a occasional nock when turning
    
    then i tend to do the routine of hmm is this my diff or drive shaft lets go drvie in circles..
    
    Then starts to nock all the time, Know its the diff by now
    
    It makes some really really violent clicks judders bangs even when driving in a straight line steering wheel will pull one way or another in
    
    When turning you get a horrible loud cracks and bangs that you can feel in the steering car judders shakes feels really liek somthing majors fucked
    
    Steering will feel heavy and weird when trying to turn slightly at speed or you will find the car wants to pull to one side
    
    
    Then it just gets worse, the slipping bike chain effect with epic bangs and all sorts of nasty noises

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25. 1-1dicky Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2009 maidstone Posts: 702 saxo vtr

    #25 21st December 2012, 23:04

    well sounds like the diff is cream crackered! what gearbox do you reccomend goes in next then. without wanting to spend loads. and the car hardly ever goes on motorways
26. mattfinch Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2007 Kent Posts: 146 Silver Saxo 1.6 16v Gunmetel Grey Nissan 350z GT

    #26 22nd December 2012, 02:31

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    Originally Posted by W343NNA Haha weirdly enough, Iv never managed to blow up a 1.1 box, or a vtr or vts, only 3 1.4 boxes!. Its gotta be that back in the day the 1.4 was the chosen car for the rich twaty teen to cain about, i know i gave all of mine death, but the 1.4s really do seem to have week diffs, The more you drive it the worse it gets if its the diff From my experience of being able to predict a diffs on its way out in a 1.4 box.. When traveling at say 60 + at a constant speed, the car will bob ( this is a really early arning ) as if your on a boat going over slight waves, Bearly noticable also feels liek cars pulling then not so slightly then pulling so to speak Next comes a random squeek from the passenger side accasionaly when slowing down in 4th or 5th then its final days,.. Starts off with a occasional nock when turning then i tend to do the routine of hmm is this my diff or drive shaft lets go drvie in circles.. Then starts to nock all the time, Know its the diff by now It makes some really really violent clicks judders bangs even when driving in a straight line steering wheel will pull one way or another in When turning you get a horrible loud cracks and bangs that you can feel in the steering car judders shakes feels really liek somthing majors fucked Steering will feel heavy and weird when trying to turn slightly at speed or you will find the car wants to pull to one side Then it just gets worse, the slipping bike chain effect with epic bangs and all sorts of nasty noises

    Thabks for this mate has really helped. Everything you have just said has happend. But all in the space of about 20miles lol. I was think of putting a 1.1 box on for a bit better acceleration and because i can get one from the breakers cheep tomoz lol. Hopefully that one will not blow up after a few miles

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27. W343NNA Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2012 Derbyshire Posts: 770

    #27 22nd December 2012, 03:05

    go for a 1.1 box mate, the only issues iv had with my 1,1 box so far are, they tend to wine, but mainly because iv bought high milage ones for stupidly cheap money but not had a 1.1 box diff fail on me
    
    Again correct me if im wrong but the 1.1 box is the same as the 1.4 just with a differnt final drive ?
    
    Im going to blame the 1.4s for being ragged in the early stages of there lifes
    
    Iv drove with a vtr box on a 1.4 and it isnt a good match, also drove witha vtr box on a VTS and its alright but not the same as having a vts box on,
    
    If you dont do manny moterway miles then go for the 1.1 but if you dont want it revving at like 5000rpm at 80 then might not be a wise choice lol
28. Cam Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Nov 2010 Kent Posts: 8439 Gen 7 Celica 190.

    #28 22nd December 2012, 07:17

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 1-1dicky christ! i havent checked them actual bolts, iv changed the rubber mount above it though.... ps i see you most mornings and some evenings coming up bluebell hill, seen you a few times in gillingham too. car looks real smart! i can only assume you work nights

    Correct lol.
    What car are you in?
    Reading the thread funny enough the gearbox that was in the car when your mate had it. The 1.4 box that snapped the diff at the m20 turn off to Maidstone
29. mattfinch Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2007 Kent Posts: 146 Silver Saxo 1.6 16v Gunmetel Grey Nissan 350z GT

    #29 22nd December 2012, 09:19

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    Originally Posted by W343NNA go for a 1.1 box mate, the only issues iv had with my 1,1 box so far are, they tend to wine, but mainly because iv bought high milage ones for stupidly cheap money but not had a 1.1 box diff fail on me Again correct me if im wrong but the 1.1 box is the same as the 1.4 just with a differnt final drive ? Im going to blame the 1.4s for being ragged in the early stages of there lifes Iv drove with a vtr box on a 1.4 and it isnt a good match, also drove witha vtr box on a VTS and its alright but not the same as having a vts box on, If you dont do manny moterway miles then go for the 1.1 but if you dont want it revving at like 5000rpm at 80 then might not be a wise choice lol

    Yer cheers mate. Am going to go for a 1.1 box and see how that goes. If it last for a bit then thats alright with me. May try and look for a vts box one day. And yer i bet that is the case with the 1.4's all been smashed around back in the day.
30. 1-1dicky Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2009 maidstone Posts: 702 saxo vtr

    #30 22nd December 2012, 13:26

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    Originally Posted by Cam Correct lol. What car are you in? Reading the thread funny enough the gearbox that was in the car when your mate had it. The 1.4 box that snapped the diff at the m20 turn off to Maidstone

    im in a boring old bora now. although a damn sight more comfy then my saxo. i doubt you would reconise me because we're on the otherside of the hill. lol but having angel eyes your easy to spot