alternator ~ power steering?

1. iSlayeR Established Member Joined: Aug 2009 King's lynn Posts: 2073 Turbocharged vtr

   #1 27th December 2012, 16:49

   I've put a 1.1 alternator onto my vtr, since my one was knackered, my power steering didn't work before, and it still doesn't work, i've tried everything, relay/fuse/hammer/bleed it,
   
   Now would having the 1.1 alternator cause power steering not to work, as it has 10? less amps? my rad fan doesn't work either, ( i have no sound system and everything else works fine)
2. MartinObviously Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2012 Perth Posts: 3665 Peugeot 106 1.1 Turbo Peugeot 106 1.5D Turbo Peuge

   #2 27th December 2012, 16:51

   the PAS motor is probably jammed because it's been sitting idle for so long.
   
   Need to remove the pump and pull it apart to free it off, then reassemble it.
   
   Check you're getting power at the motor with a multimeter first though
3. iSlayeR Established Member Joined: Aug 2009 King's lynn Posts: 2073 Turbocharged vtr

   #3 27th December 2012, 16:56

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by MartinObviously the PAS motor is probably jammed because it's been sitting idle for so long. Need to remove the pump and pull it apart to free it off, then reassemble it. Check you're getting power at the motor with a multimeter first though

   
   It has been sat off the car for 4 months now
   
   I havn't got a multimeter, but bench testing it on the battery will cross out if the motors working it not before i took it off the car it did work fine
4. MartinObviously Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2012 Perth Posts: 3665 Peugeot 106 1.1 Turbo Peugeot 106 1.5D Turbo Peuge

   #4 27th December 2012, 16:58

   Mine worked great when I removed mine too, but now it refuses to work because it's partially seized
   
   Yeah use the battery on it make sure you empty most of the fluid to check it or you'll make a huge mess lol
5. iSlayeR Established Member Joined: Aug 2009 King's lynn Posts: 2073 Turbocharged vtr

   #5 27th December 2012, 17:01

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by MartinObviously Mine worked great when I removed mine too, but now it refuses to work because it's partially seized Yeah use the battery on it make sure you empty most of the fluid to check it or you'll make a huge mess lol

   will do im used to making a mess so i can rule out the fact i've got a 1.1 alt on a vtr yes?
6. MartinObviously Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2012 Perth Posts: 3665 Peugeot 106 1.1 Turbo Peugeot 106 1.5D Turbo Peuge

   #6 27th December 2012, 17:05

   Yeah, 10A is peak anyway

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7. markj_vtr Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2007 West Sussex Posts: 134 VTS with minor mods (Rotrex C30-74 etc)

   #7 27th December 2012, 22:59

   I had a problem with my Rotrex charger recently where it was shredding belts left, right and centre (the belt in question also goes around the alternator). The big give away that the belt had gone (apart from the sound like you had gone in to the kitty litter) was that the power steering went. So in short if the alternator isn't working properly (or in my case not at all) the pump doesn't work.
8. MartinObviously Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2012 Perth Posts: 3665 Peugeot 106 1.1 Turbo Peugeot 106 1.5D Turbo Peuge

   #8 28th December 2012, 00:49

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by markj_vtr I had a problem with my Rotrex charger recently where it was shredding belts left, right and centre (the belt in question also goes around the alternator). The big give away that the belt had gone (apart from the sound like you had gone in to the kitty litter) was that the power steering went. So in short if the alternator isn't working properly (or in my case not at all) the pump doesn't work.

   the PAS is direct drive from the alternator which would explain that.
9. user_62405 L-plater Joined: Nov 2012 Dalbeattie Posts: 80 Saxo VTR Diablo Red

   #9 29th December 2012, 00:57

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by MartinObviously the PAS motor is probably jammed because it's been sitting idle for so long. Need to remove the pump and pull it apart to free it off, then reassemble it. Check you're getting power at the motor with a multimeter first though

   First person on here other than myself with a Multimeter..
   
   MartinObviously
10. MartinObviously Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2012 Perth Posts: 3665 Peugeot 106 1.1 Turbo Peugeot 106 1.5D Turbo Peuge

    #10 29th December 2012, 00:59

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Norm7446 First person on here other than myself with a Multimeter.. MartinObviously

    B&Q, cost me about a tenner. good for roadside shit like this
    
    got a sillyscope for in the garage though.
11. user_62405 L-plater Joined: Nov 2012 Dalbeattie Posts: 80 Saxo VTR Diablo Red

    #11 29th December 2012, 01:14

    I Know. All you need is a cheep one. You ask any Mechanic what is the first tool in his tool box that he goes for after his hammer and he will tell you a Multimeter.
12. welshpug Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2010 South Wales Posts: 3078 ZX 16v, 205 GTI, 309 Goodwood, 405 MI16.

    #12 29th December 2012, 10:51

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MartinObviously the PAS is direct drive from the alternator which would explain that.

    no its not, 99% are electric hydraulic, so not direct off the aux belt.
13. MartinObviously Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2012 Perth Posts: 3665 Peugeot 106 1.1 Turbo Peugeot 106 1.5D Turbo Peuge

    #13 29th December 2012, 10:54

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by welshpug no its not, 99% are electric hydraulic, so not direct off the aux belt.

    That's not what I meant, The electrical feed for the motor is direct from the alternator.
    
    nearly all LHD s1 models with PAS are belt driven stop making up statistics
14. welshpug Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2010 South Wales Posts: 3078 ZX 16v, 205 GTI, 309 Goodwood, 405 MI16.

    #14 29th December 2012, 11:16

    show me an UK LHD s1 ...
    
    
    its not direct, it goes through a relay from the fusebox.
    
    its probably seized, very common, strip the pump apart, clan the crap out, rebuild it.
15. MartinObviously Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2012 Perth Posts: 3665 Peugeot 106 1.1 Turbo Peugeot 106 1.5D Turbo Peuge

    #15 29th December 2012, 11:23

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by welshpug show me an UK LHD s1 ... its not direct, it goes through a relay from the fusebox. its probably seized, very common, strip the pump apart, clan the crap out, rebuild it.

    Electrically, when it's switched on, it's direct. and I already suggested pulling the pump apart because it's seized
    
    You never said 99% of UK 106's