Fitting 'R' Alloys

1. madheadmiles Infrequent Poster Joined: Aug 2012 Bromsgrove Posts: 117 '02 VTR

   #1 10th January 2013, 15:31

   came to fit my vtr alloys onto my 1.1 desire today, encountered two problems! first wheel i put on was the offside rear wheel, seemed to fit fine, was right up on the hub, used the vtr wheel bolts and a locking bolt, was held on good! when moving the car slowly it felt like it was knocking on something, so i took the wheel off and saw this:
   
   
   
   whats gone on here? i thought the 'R' wheels were a straight fit?
   
   anyway, onto the offside front wheel! put the wheel onto the hub, used the vtr bolts, started to tighten them up (not as tight as they'll go) when they all stopped turning, nowhere near to the point where i could lower the jack, the wheel could also be wobbled around and taken off the hub and have it sitting on the bolts? eugh. any help would be massively appreciated!
2. Cam Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Nov 2010 Kent Posts: 8439 Gen 7 Celica 190.

   #2 10th January 2013, 15:34

   I would check your axle for play and camber.
3. madheadmiles Infrequent Poster Joined: Aug 2012 Bromsgrove Posts: 117 '02 VTR

   #3 10th January 2013, 15:36

   car passed mot last month, surely something would have been said about the axle?
4. mlawlan69 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Sep 2010 leeds Posts: 4389 MCS R53 S/C 16v furiooo

   #4 10th January 2013, 15:36

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Cam I would check your axle for play and camber.

   this, your axle could be furked.
5. Pricklep Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 31279 Citroen Saxo VTS, S60 D5

   #5 10th January 2013, 15:37

   Clean those archs aswell before rust sets in.
6. madheadmiles Infrequent Poster Joined: Aug 2012 Bromsgrove Posts: 117 '02 VTR

   #6 10th January 2013, 15:52

   find it hard to believe the axle is shot? passed mot around a month ago, no advisories on it, and has done 200 miles since
7. user_20080 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2007 smurfland. Posts: 17346 Ex saxo owner.

   #7 10th January 2013, 16:39

   There are 2 types of vtr wheel bolts,are you using the correct ones mate?
8. samclose Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2010 billingham Posts: 141 Saxo flat arch vtr engine 206

   #8 10th January 2013, 16:40

   Just jack the back up and check for play
9. madheadmiles Infrequent Poster Joined: Aug 2012 Bromsgrove Posts: 117 '02 VTR

   #9 10th January 2013, 16:45

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by stevo67 There are 2 types of vtr wheel bolts,are you using the correct ones mate?

   using these ones mate
   
   
   
   
10. madheadmiles Infrequent Poster Joined: Aug 2012 Bromsgrove Posts: 117 '02 VTR

    #10 10th January 2013, 17:03

    whats the difference in fitting?
11. craig180p Yorkshire Joined: Dec 2005 West Yorkshire Posts: 31079 1989 Golf GTi Clipper

    #11 10th January 2013, 17:17

    There is also the fact some 1.1 and 1.4 drum axles are narrower, meaning you would have to space the rears by 5mm or so
12. madheadmiles Infrequent Poster Joined: Aug 2012 Bromsgrove Posts: 117 '02 VTR

    #12 10th January 2013, 17:51

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by saxo180 There is also the fact some 1.1 and 1.4 drum axles are narrower, meaning you would have to space the rears by 5mm or so

    that would probably explain the rubbing on the rear then! can anyone shed any light on the front wheel problem?
13. smiith Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Sep 2007 Jail - Whitby Posts: 15034 520bhp Honda Jazz

    #13 10th January 2013, 18:04

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by madheadmiles that would probably explain the rubbing on the rear then! can anyone shed any light on the front wheel problem?

    Wrong wheel bolts.. You need flat seated...
    
    Flat
    
    
    Yours are tapered..
    
    
    
    Look inside the wheel, you will see that the hole sits flat, and is not a V shape inside for a bolt to sit in..
14. madheadmiles Infrequent Poster Joined: Aug 2012 Bromsgrove Posts: 117 '02 VTR

    #14 10th January 2013, 18:05

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smiith Wrong wheel bolts.. You need flat seated... Flat Yours are tapered.. Look inside the wheel, you will see that the hole sits flat, and is not a V shape inside for a bolt to sit in..

    does this explain why the bolts were stopping when they were no where near holding the wheel on??
15. smiith Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Sep 2007 Jail - Whitby Posts: 15034 520bhp Honda Jazz

    #15 10th January 2013, 18:13

    Yep, because they weren't seating properly.. Wrong bolts, probably too long.. So they will have been bottoming out in the hub, before they got hold on the wheel..
    
    If the bolts are from steels, then they will be too long..
    
    To solve both problems, get the proper bolts, go to a scrappy and you will be able to buy some, or failing that, ebay..
    
    For the back, you will need 5mm spacers.. That will bring the wheels on the back away from the body work
16. madheadmiles Infrequent Poster Joined: Aug 2012 Bromsgrove Posts: 117 '02 VTR

    #16 10th January 2013, 18:15

    will these bolts be okay??
    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PEUGEOT-CI...item19d7f6e241
    
    and these spacers?
    
    
    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5mm-ALLOY-...item3f1d3a3cf2
17. smiith Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Sep 2007 Jail - Whitby Posts: 15034 520bhp Honda Jazz

    #17 10th January 2013, 18:33

    Yep, they should do the job
18. dexter Infrequent Poster Joined: Sep 2009 fife Posts: 227 97white vtd, 02silver vtr, 01blacked out vts

    #18 10th January 2013, 18:59

    if you were using those long bolts on the rear im very surpriced that they never went to far into the drum and hitt the brakes inside and cought sumfin and locked the wheel up when moving it.