Rust under car near front wheel.. mot next month!

1. spacehopper L-plater Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 78

   #1 10th January 2013, 18:08

   So ive got my MOT next month on my 1.1 T reg Saxo... and the exhaust started rattling..
   
   jacked it up and have isolated it to the CAT.. which i can replace myself no problem..
   
   i noticed there is quite a lot of rust just behind the front wheel arch on the car floor where the underseal has given way and corrosion has set in as you can see in the pics below..
   
   
   
   
   
   the whole rusted area would probably give way if i hit it with a hammer as its not very stable!
   
   it doesnt look to go hugely near the suspension mount though
   
   does anyone know if this is this going to be repairable relatively cheaply?
   or am i better off looking at scrapping the car and buying another one
   
   unfortunatley i cant weld.. and don't really know anyone who can.. i really must learn!
   
   has done 112,000 miles... and went through its MOT with no problems at all last year..
   
   other things to note.. as well as the cat needing to be changed the 2 rear tyres may need swapping as they're close to the limit.. and itll need its oil changing before the MOT..
   
   Thanks in advance!
2. spacehopper L-plater Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 78

   #2 10th January 2013, 18:09

   second picture hasnt appeared for some reason..
   
   
3. mlawlan69 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Sep 2010 leeds Posts: 4389 MCS R53 S/C 16v furiooo

   #3 10th January 2013, 18:16

   Looks nasty but nothing that cannot be fixed relatively easy with the right skills. I'd say in the region of £100 maximum for it welding, two new tyres and 12 months happy motoring haha.
4. Bedford126 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2010 Morley, Leeds Posts: 8469 Civic ep3 type r powered by TDI NORTH

   #4 10th January 2013, 18:18

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by mlawlan69 I'd say in the region of £100 maximum for it welding,

   Yeah right £100 that's fucked would need a hell of a lot of cutting and welding.
5. smiith Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Sep 2007 Jail - Whitby Posts: 15034 520bhp Honda Jazz

   #5 10th January 2013, 18:24

   "The underseal has given way"... You mean the jelly mix and warm water someone brushed on in the 90's?
   
   Looking at a few hundred to have all that cut out, and replaced...
   
   Most MOT stations would probably fail it, even if its not near a strut or anything
   
   Oh, and they don't check your oil for an MOT
6. dexter Infrequent Poster Joined: Sep 2009 fife Posts: 227 97white vtd, 02silver vtr, 01blacked out vts

   #6 10th January 2013, 19:06

   had a couple fail on welding like this. general time is a couple hours to do it. time you cut it out, prep it and weld it. most garages charge £40 - £50 an hour
7. Ben_SaxoForte Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2009 Stoke-on-trent Posts: 2640 Mk5 Golf GTTDI Mk2 VTR Project

   #7 10th January 2013, 19:07

   Doesnt look good needs the underseal taking back to see just how big the area actually is before estimating costs really.
8. Cam Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Nov 2010 Kent Posts: 8439 Gen 7 Celica 190.

   #8 10th January 2013, 19:18

   That what happens when people jack the car up from that point and not the seal.
9. user_20080 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2007 smurfland. Posts: 17346 Ex saxo owner.

   #9 10th January 2013, 19:41

   For the record corrosion 30cm near a load bearing point is a fail.
10. spacehopper L-plater Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 78

    #10 10th January 2013, 20:21

    cheers for the replies everyone
    
    the oil was because its due its service soon...
    
    and I can only speak for myself but ive only ever jacked it up at the correct jacking points with a trolley jack..
    
    anyway..! its looking like its going to be new car time.. factoring in all the other costs its probably going to be at the very least £400 to get it back on the road after february.. and thats quite a bit towards a newer car..
    
    does anyone have any recommendations of places to scrap cars that will come and take them away for you? am based in Leeds / Doncaster
    
    time to rust in peace for Bertha the Saxo!
    
    
11. Bedford126 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2010 Morley, Leeds Posts: 8469 Civic ep3 type r powered by TDI NORTH

    #11 10th January 2013, 21:11

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by spacehopper does anyone have any recommendations of places to scrap cars that will come and take them away for you? am based in Leeds / Doncaster time to rust in peace for Bertha the Saxo!

    I'm out.
    
    Not into rust fixing.
12. chinkostu Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2008 The wrong carpark Posts: 5152 Xantia 1.9TD

    #12 10th January 2013, 22:39

    My 1.1 rusted right through here. Prone point on these cars unfortunately. I was thankfull that i have relatives that weld
13. radiuz Newbie Joined: Oct 2012 Posts: 14

    #13 10th January 2013, 23:07

    Not hard to learn basic welding guys it's a really useful skill. Just get yourselves a cheaply mig or stick welder and get practicing
14. mlawlan69 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Sep 2010 leeds Posts: 4389 MCS R53 S/C 16v furiooo

    #14 10th January 2013, 23:16

    now on a 32" monitor (ok a tv lol) i can see much clearer where/how much damage there is when you said front wheel arch i thought we were looking somewhere else lol.
15. m4tt274 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Sep 2011 Doncaster Posts: 2627 Fabia VRS, mk1 fiesta + some others

    #15 11th January 2013, 07:52

    woaahh! hold on a minute, its a Treg saxo, no need to get it welded up by a bloody coded, loyds, be9, professional £50p/h welder.
    Do you not have a mate who can weld? If not,
    You have a month, just shop about the back street garages.
    If your in Docaster, give mick harpers garage a shout in Finningley, hes an old boy with a unit using an old bus as an office. Hes been there since the 80s and did two jacking points for £110 on a saxo a few months back that were way more gone than that and they passed an MOT.
16. m4tt274 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Sep 2011 Doncaster Posts: 2627 Fabia VRS, mk1 fiesta + some others

    #16 11th January 2013, 07:58

    actually, after a seconds glance it is pretty bad, that may have gone up the chassis rail too!
    Get a screw driver and dig out as much as you can, then you will know how big the hole is.
17. user_49404 Frequent Poster Joined: Dec 2010 Mid Wales Posts: 604 03 vtr

    #17 11th January 2013, 10:10

    also, if it's gone there you better have a good look over the rest of the car. I dare say rust will have attacked other places. Namely top of front wheel arches (under fuse box and ecu) and in the rear arches/boot. Or at least that's where mine was!
18. f13sta Established Member Joined: Sep 2010 loughborough Posts: 2229 1988 ford fiesta mk2 1.4- 2001 black saxo furio (d

    #18 12th January 2013, 19:20

    It's an mot failure because its within 30 cm of a suspension mount (the arb brackets and possibly rear wishbone mount) a garage will
    Just clean it off and plate over the top But your carpet needs to be taken up.