HID kits, worth it?

18th January 2013, 21:26

Been thinking about HID lights for the car.

Some bright white ones, not blue.

Are they any better than standard lights? Any info on them would be great.

Cheers peeps

18th January 2013, 21:30

O well. Blind other road users.

18th January 2013, 21:34

Yes they are 10x better then standerd bulbs.

18th January 2013, 21:35

They are better, 90% of people on here will slate you or having them in considering them.

Tbh I don't find them any worse than some of the BMWs and audis that have xenons.

18th January 2013, 21:37

I was just considering them and seeing what people's opinions are about them. How do they blind other road users? Surely they are the same as cars running HID's as standard?

18th January 2013, 21:43

It's because the lights don't control the beam on a saxo. On other cars they have projector lights which stops the glare from them

18th January 2013, 21:46

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Originally Posted by Hazmanscoop

I was just considering them and seeing what people's opinions are about them. How do they blind other road users? Surely they are the same as cars running HID's as standard?

No they arnt the same. You dont see other cars running 100000000k HIDs that are poorly adjusted, shine blue and literally blind you. Newer cars i dont have a problem with. Its when you get old hatchbacks thinking theyre epic with 10000000000000k HIDs. OEM bulbs are fine imo.

quick search brings up more detailed stuff.

I cant stress how much i hate them

18th January 2013, 21:52

I wasn't considering for looks. My intentions seem to have been misread.

I just wanted info on the practicality of them. Not how "epic" people think they are that have them.

I do a lot of country road driving where there is no street lights, in the dark.

But seems they are a no, no. So thanks for the info.

Is there any bulbs I can buy that are brighter for the OEM fitments possibly?

18th January 2013, 22:53

Osram nightbreakers I think they're called.

Never used them but supposed to e good.

Ill be getting HIDs soon anyways probably haha don't really care what others think, if I start getting problems i would take them out.

18th January 2013, 22:58

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Originally Posted by josh11490

Osram nightbreakers I think they're called.

Never used them but supposed to e good.

Ill be getting HIDs soon anyways probably haha don't really care what others think, if I start getting problems i would take them out.

Good luck with that by the summer you will be pulled and you will be fined £30 per hid.

18th January 2013, 23:02

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Originally Posted by Viper

After market HID units in a standard headlight are awful because they are usually designed to be used on a projector headlight which evenly (and safely) distributes the light.

For the sake of peoples' retinas, please don't do it. Just get brighter bulbs.

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Originally Posted by Viper

Don't be a twat. People don't give two shits if it's illegal. Have a think about how many people have a decat.

The problem is that they are VERY rarely well adjusted because they aren't well suited to a normal headlight unit. It's not that it's illegal, it's that they fucking blind people.

Taken from this thread: http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...&highlight=HID

18th January 2013, 23:11

I have HIDs theyre nice.

18th January 2013, 23:14

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Originally Posted by Bedford126

Good luck with that by the summer you will be pulled and you will be fined £30 per hid.

True but i know a load of people who have had them for months with no problems. Hit and miss.

18th January 2013, 23:39

People who put HIDs in reflector lenses are cunts.

They are only designed for projector lenses.

I hope you install them, blind people and someone smashes your lights up.

Don't even bother replying, not one single fuck shall be given.

19th January 2013, 20:20

+1 to Osram Nightbreakers.

19th January 2013, 20:56

had hids in the saxo for years. Aslong as you adjust them properly so they arent blinding everyone

massive improvement to standard bulbs

get 6000k, they are pure white. any higher and it turns a bit bluey

20th January 2013, 07:24

chavids

20th January 2013, 08:03

People going on about them blinding people - that was very early on when they were first introduced - the new ones are shielded and have a decent cut off.

It's like coming into work one day a bit worse for wear after a night out and from that point on labeled as the office piss head.

They are illegal because the PC brigade have got their way again and the government love a good opportunity for new laws and tighter restrictions, forever increasing the noose on our freedom.

First you get traffic light camera's then speed camera's, now variable speed camera's and surveillence, tighter MOT restrictions, soon they'll be banning modifications completely.. hold on a minute...

20th January 2013, 16:49

don't you need washer jets for them now for the mot?

20th January 2013, 17:01

I used to have 6k's in my standard 106 units as I thought they looked pretty cool and took them out for MOT time - never put them back in because I saw sense lol. I'm going for a more OEM look now anyway so they wouldn't fit in either way.

Visibility-wise they were VERY good - I'll give them that... I could drive around unlit B roads at 2 in the morning with just the dipped beams on and be fine. Jumping back into the car with standard bulbs was a shock to say the least haha.

I'm tempted to try the OSRAM nightbreakers for sure - as long as they keep the standard look I'm happy

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Originally Posted by Yates

don't you need washer jets for them now for the mot?

Yeah you do mate - the washer jets, self levelling adjusters and the correct beam pattern IIRC... too much faffing around if you ask me.

20th January 2013, 17:03

Personally I think HID's are 10x better then standard, had them on my zaf gsi and they was a vast improvement. Just bought a set of 8k for the saxo, just personal preference.

20th January 2013, 17:09

I have a set in the saxo and compared to standard bulbs they are loads brighter and not too much glare, had them set up on the light machine thing in a garage

no one has flashed at me and they dont blind anyone as car is pretty low anyway

20th January 2013, 17:12

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Originally Posted by GAS_7

just personal preference.

No its not its the law there is reason behind it. They are not safe that is why they are illegal.

20th January 2013, 19:00

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Originally Posted by Bedford126

No its not its the law there is reason behind it. They are not safe that is why they are illegal.

If there illegal, why are they TUV rated and have the E stamp classing them legal for road use?! Well, the kits I've bought in the past have any way.

Point is most new cars have an xexon or hid system in use so its hard to make it illegal! Only the rating can be made illegal.

As for making modifications illegal in the future....they won't! Government will lose too much revenue in taxes from the mods industry.

20th January 2013, 19:11

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Originally Posted by GAS_7

If there illegal, why are they TUV rated and have the E stamp classing them legal for road use?! Well, the kits I've bought in the past have any way.

Point is most new cars have an xexon or hid system in use so its hard to make it illegal! Only the rating can be made illegal.

As for making modifications illegal in the future....they won't! Government will lose too much revenue in taxes from the mods industry.

Mate you are talking shit. To retro fit any hid kit to a headlight without projector lenses is illegal.

20th January 2013, 19:43

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Originally Posted by GAS_7

If there illegal, why are they TUV rated and have the E stamp classing them legal for road use?! Well, the kits I've bought in the past have any way.

Point is most new cars have an xexon or hid system in use so its hard to make it illegal! Only the rating can be made illegal.

As for making modifications illegal in the future....they won't! Government will lose too much revenue in taxes from the mods industry.

Anyone can make a product then put the E mark along with the TUV rated mark its called marketing.A company isn`t going to sell something & advertise it as illegal now is it?

21st January 2013, 00:28

theres no doubt that they are illegal without projectors and lense washers,
but what are the chances of a copper pulling you over to talk to you about them... slim tbh, quite unheard of

running them pointing upwards blinding everyone, or having chavvy 10000k blue ones then youre probs attracting more unwanted attention

21st January 2013, 00:56

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Originally Posted by LSOfreak

theres no doubt that they are illegal without projectors and lense washers,
but what are the chances of a copper pulling you over to talk to you about them... slim tbh, quite unheard of

running them pointing upwards blinding everyone, or having chavvy 10000k blue ones then youre probs attracting more unwanted attention

Exactly, as long as you have the normal white colour, and have them adjusted to shine right they are fine

21st January 2013, 10:30

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Originally Posted by LSOfreak

theres no doubt that they are illegal without projectors and lense washers,
but what are the chances of a copper pulling you over to talk to you about them... slim tbh, quite unheard of

running them pointing upwards blinding everyone, or having chavvy 10000k blue ones then youre probs attracting more unwanted attention

http://www.fife.police.uk/default.aspx?page=6561

oh rly?

21st January 2013, 11:37

fife police though lol
thats another country

21st January 2013, 18:25

Wow there is alot of hate for HIDs lol Yes they are much brighter than standard lights but I do constantly get blinded by them which drives me mad. There not for me but if you think you'll be happier driving down country roads with them then try them out! Its your choice!

22nd January 2013, 14:10

I had them on my Corsa, the difference is mental, and now my Saxo has halogen bulbs i find myself checking my lights are on/working... People on here slate them but providing you have H4-R's (has a light reflector thingy on them) and theyre correctly aligned they are no more blinding then the brighter Halogens from Halfords.. but if theyre incorrectly aligned etc then prepare to join Stevie Wonder...

22nd January 2013, 14:12

There's hate because they are illegal to retro-fit to a saxo pretty much full stop. The Osrams are a damn good bulb and are completely legal - but aren't as "cool y0" so wont get you the scene points.

22nd January 2013, 14:22

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Originally Posted by Ross

There's hate because they are illegal to retro-fit to a saxo pretty much full stop. The Osrams are a damn good bulb and are completely legal - but aren't as "cool y0" so wont get you the scene points.

But everyone needs scene points!

22nd January 2013, 14:27

Got 6k and had them on for a while now and havent been flashed once and cops have pulled me with them on and when they checked car over they didn't say one word

22nd January 2013, 15:14

I've also had 6k in in for the last few years with no problems. It's when idiots put them into normal headlights when they're blinding. I fitted mine to angel eye headlights which have the projector in them. You really will appreciate them going down unlit country roads.

22nd January 2013, 22:40

So recommendations are either angel projectors with HID 6k kit or OSRAM bulbs?

I'm not after it looking good or anything, just safety, as those lights at present are dangerous on unlit roads

22nd January 2013, 22:55

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Originally Posted by Hazmanscoop

So recommendations are either angel projectors with HID 6k kit or OSRAM bulbs?

I'm not after it looking good or anything, just safety, as those lights at present are dangerous on unlit roads

Even the angle eye projectors i have seen look rather poor. There not actually intended for HIDs. I have seen a few people on other forums take proper HID projectors from other production road cars and graft them in place. They worked rather well and assuming your only using HIDs for your Hi beam then your still not braking any laws regarding parts E approval or auto leveling. As bulbs and lens parts are E approved and auto leveling is only required for Lo beam. But still not really legal as your vehicle is not type approved for them and as such you default back to the old British standards that do not allow HIDs on the road at all. So personally I would recommend just good quality Halogen bulbs. But saying this you should not have any problem with stock halogen bulbs as there way better then the old tungsten bulbs like in the old mini and most can drive them at stock road speeds with no problems. Most modern laws are to stop to much not to little light. As the worry these days are accidents from people being unable to see because of other vehicles lights.

24th January 2013, 19:53

So are these OSRAM bulbs worth it? And are they legal?

Anyone have an eBay link for some?

24th January 2013, 22:36

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_tr...at=0&_from=R40

24th January 2013, 22:54

I find angel eyes terrible on dark country roads I have to go half the speed limit because they don't shine far enough and drivers get impatient...Main beam is great but cant use it all the time cause of other drivers.
I'm generally considering HID's in my angels cause of this.

24th January 2013, 23:07

Cheers Huricane

3rd February 2013, 11:36

I seen in halfords they do an xenon type bulb are they still illegal or is just the really bright kits i think it was a philips make bulb

3rd February 2013, 12:50

its a standard filament bulb same as a halogen.

3rd February 2013, 15:05

ah right cheers m8