missfiring then stalls during warm up

1. carl64 L-plater Joined: Dec 2012 Ilkeston Posts: 80 Saxo 1.1 2001

   #1 20th January 2013, 15:42

   Hi all, I have had to make 2 short journeys today, both of less than 2 miles, and on both occasions the car, a 1.1 saxo started normally then after about a mile, started to missfire, this got worse until the engine totally died. Whilst the car was missfiring, the engine mamagement light flashed on and off. After letting the car cool, the engine started fine again, and again during warm up, it started to missfire, getting worse until it died. I eventually finished my journey on both occasions, having the same problem on the return journey. Any ideas before I have to start throwing money away?
2. Japps L-plater Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 71 1.1i saxo year 99 60bhp 1.2 clio mk1 year 98 98bh

   #2 20th January 2013, 15:46

   Coil pack? Im not an exspert but i had simuilar problem on my 1.1 saxo i wemt scrapyard and took one off a 106 and it worked fine after but id wait till someone else comments to see what they think

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3. carl64 L-plater Joined: Dec 2012 Ilkeston Posts: 80 Saxo 1.1 2001

   #3 20th January 2013, 15:47

   Thankx Japps
4. Japps L-plater Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 71 1.1i saxo year 99 60bhp 1.2 clio mk1 year 98 98bh

   #4 20th January 2013, 15:51

   No probz mate hope you get her running fine again
5. jones91 Established Member Joined: Jun 2011 Bridgnorth (Shropshire) Posts: 2001 Jdm Dc2 Integra

   #5 20th January 2013, 16:09

   As above, it will probably be the coilpack
6. carl64 L-plater Joined: Dec 2012 Ilkeston Posts: 80 Saxo 1.1 2001

   #6 20th January 2013, 16:16

   Thanks jones91, and cant access your link mate....privileges!!
7. jones91 Established Member Joined: Jun 2011 Bridgnorth (Shropshire) Posts: 2001 Jdm Dc2 Integra

   #7 20th January 2013, 16:55

   You mean the for sale thread at the bottom, it's prov sold anyway and should of taken it off ages ago lol
8. carl64 L-plater Joined: Dec 2012 Ilkeston Posts: 80 Saxo 1.1 2001

   #8 20th January 2013, 17:21

   yes mate lol, not to worry
9. user_20080 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2007 smurfland. Posts: 17346 Ex saxo owner.

   #9 20th January 2013, 18:45

   Get the car on a diagnostics machine mate.
10. carl64 L-plater Joined: Dec 2012 Ilkeston Posts: 80 Saxo 1.1 2001

    #10 25th January 2013, 17:32

    going to do tomorrow hopefully, new coil pack aint cured it!
11. chris15 Newbie Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 20 Ford Focus and Citroen Saxo

    #11 29th January 2013, 16:36

    did you get your car sorted mines doing the same thing near enough have you got a cure
12. carl64 L-plater Joined: Dec 2012 Ilkeston Posts: 80 Saxo 1.1 2001

    #12 30th January 2013, 13:35

    Not cured I'm afraid, new plugs fitted too, got my new fault code reader today.....so I have 2 faults associated with this;
    
    1, (P0170) Fuel trim malfunction (Bank 1)
    2, (P0300) Random/multiple misfire detected
    
    Could this be an injector gone down? Its not the coil pack 'cos I had another pack on it and it did same thing. Has anybody got any ideas? anything would be appreciated, well..........nearly anything lol.
13. Aly Saxperience Addict Joined: Apr 2007 Sunderland Posts: 10341

    #13 30th January 2013, 14:23

    I know you have tried the coilpack but have you tried taking the leads off and warming them up on a radiator to make sure there isn't any moisture, my brothers 1.0 had this same issue so I took them off left them on radiator overnight, fit them the next morning sprayed damp start onto them and it's fine now.
    
    I knew it was an ignition fault since on startup there was a strong smell of petrol coming from the exhaust and it was banging in the inlet.

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14. carl64 L-plater Joined: Dec 2012 Ilkeston Posts: 80 Saxo 1.1 2001

    #14 30th January 2013, 16:10

    Hi Aly, no mate not tried that 1, will try that tonight mate, thanks buddy.
15. carl64 L-plater Joined: Dec 2012 Ilkeston Posts: 80 Saxo 1.1 2001

    #15 30th January 2013, 16:16

    Erm, wat am i thinking, there are no HT leads on it
16. carl64 L-plater Joined: Dec 2012 Ilkeston Posts: 80 Saxo 1.1 2001

    #16 30th January 2013, 19:23

    1, (P0170) Fuel trim malfunction (Bank 1)
    2, (P0300) Random/multiple misfire detected
    
    Could this be an injector gone down? Its not the coil pack 'cos I had another pack on it and it did same thing. Has anybody got any ideas? anything would be appreciated, well..........nearly anything lol.
17. Aly Saxperience Addict Joined: Apr 2007 Sunderland Posts: 10341

    #17 31st January 2013, 13:21

    Try disconnecting the coolant temperature sensor and starting it see if it makes any difference when running
18. user_20080 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2007 smurfland. Posts: 17346 Ex saxo owner.

    #18 31st January 2013, 13:27

    Code po300 relates to the coil pack,to the op did you fit a used coilpack or a new one mate?
19. carl64 L-plater Joined: Dec 2012 Ilkeston Posts: 80 Saxo 1.1 2001

    #19 31st January 2013, 17:27

    Hi, Stevo I fitted a new 1 mate, good and bad news guys......good news is I have found the problem.......bad news is its a broken wire somewhere lol, but its the wires to the coil pack, its just a matter of finding the break!
20. carl64 L-plater Joined: Dec 2012 Ilkeston Posts: 80 Saxo 1.1 2001

    #20 31st January 2013, 17:30

    Thats why it carried on doing it when I fitted the new 1, but strange how it only did it when warming up and not when stone cold. :/
21. user_20080 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2007 smurfland. Posts: 17346 Ex saxo owner.

    #21 31st January 2013, 17:43

    Trace the wires coming from the crank sensor.

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22. Malley Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2011 Dinnington, Sheffield, S25. Posts: 146 Citroén Saxo VTR Mk1 (Venetian Red)

    #22 31st January 2013, 19:25

    Could also be a bad earth from coilpack, iirc theres an earth from coilpack to head somewhere, not hard to find, may just be that the end what screws to head has started fraying and connection gets broken after driving for a while.

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23. carl64 L-plater Joined: Dec 2012 Ilkeston Posts: 80 Saxo 1.1 2001

    #23 1st February 2013, 17:21

    Will look tomorrow, been doing brake bleeding today but nipples rounded off so cant tighten them now, new ones ordered! Fetching them tomorrow morning to sort then rebleed, then back on this broken wire issue-joy lol, but thanks for the tips guys.........I'm on it!!
24. carl64 L-plater Joined: Dec 2012 Ilkeston Posts: 80 Saxo 1.1 2001

    #24 4th February 2013, 10:45

    Tried cleaning the Crank sensor, no joy, worth a try, and found a black wire doing nothing coming from yellow lead that plugs into coil pack, I earthed that, did nothing. I need somebody with a similar car to try swapping parts but dont know anyone with a saxo.
25. carl64 L-plater Joined: Dec 2012 Ilkeston Posts: 80 Saxo 1.1 2001

    #25 5th February 2013, 14:55

    Somebody is selling a 51 plate vtr on autotrader with saxperience stickers in side window, are they on ere reading this? only 1 photo, tight swine lol
26. carl64 L-plater Joined: Dec 2012 Ilkeston Posts: 80 Saxo 1.1 2001

    #26 5th February 2013, 16:45

    Put new crank sensor on it today, still no joy, fault reader says rpm sensor, aint that the crank sensor? wtf? gonna scrap it cos mot due on 10th and it needs some work for that too!!
27. carl64 L-plater Joined: Dec 2012 Ilkeston Posts: 80 Saxo 1.1 2001

    #27 5th February 2013, 18:19

    To the seller of the 51 plate on auto trader, you have a stinking attitude to potential buyers.........I'm going elsewhere!!
28. carl64 L-plater Joined: Dec 2012 Ilkeston Posts: 80 Saxo 1.1 2001

    #28 5th February 2013, 18:28

    and in Parkers price guide its only worth £600, not your asking price of £995 you robbing sod!!