intermittant power loss??

  1. Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2009 newcastle Posts: 980 2002 silver vts
    #1
    Have a mk1 vts with 54 on clock fsh and in very good con, haveing a bit of a problem with it. Only happens sometimes will be driveing along and go to accelerate and its as if the engine just dies sort of judders with no power at all for a few second's then will pick up and be fine again untill for what ever reason it wants to do it again.

    Anyone have any ideas? Thanks
  2. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2007 smurfland. Posts: 17346 Ex saxo owner.
    #2
    Coil pack.
  3. Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2009 newcastle Posts: 980 2002 silver vts
    #3
    What makes you think that?
  4. Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2009 newcastle Posts: 980 2002 silver vts
    #4
    Any ideas on that will be a big help want it sorted asap
  5. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2009 Birmingham Posts: 5801 1.1 106 XN Time, MK2 VTR 01. Ford Focus ST3 CP320
    #5
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by richy_t_123 View Post
    Any ideas on that will be a big help want it sorted asap
    As said, sounds like a coil pack issue. They're about 55 quid new IIRC. Quick job to fit.
  6. Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2009 newcastle Posts: 980 2002 silver vts
    #6
    Going to swop it with my other vts see if it works befor I buy one thanks lads
  7. Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2011 Hertfordshire Posts: 250 2000 Saxo Woodland Green VTS, 2002 Mazda MX5
    #7
    this sounds familiar problem it can be a number of problems, some people have found blocked fuel filter others dodgy coolant temperature sensor it really is a mystery best advice I'd give get the multimeter out and start checking all your sensors values.

    Also out of interest how often do you use it? i find with mine as its a project car and spend more time on ramps than on the road at the moment old fuel in the tank makes it splutter, fart and have hissy fits from time to time, best fix is to put about 5-10litres of new fuel in the tank before starting it, tends to solve it - just an idea

    if you find the problem let us know?
  8. Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2009 newcastle Posts: 980 2002 silver vts
    #8
    Thanks for that mate the car is geting usder everyday now has had about two tanks of pertol in since it started doing it aswell so can't be the fule. I will try swoping the coil pack you let yous know
  9. Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2009 newcastle Posts: 980 2002 silver vts
    #9
    Right replace the coilpack with brand new unit on sat and the car has been fine, I drove it to work at 6.30 today and seemed fine I have just got back in from work at the car was shit! Seems to be when its cold and around 2 and ahalf revs, go to put a bit power on and it dies for a few seconds then picks back up any ideas?
  10. Newbie Joined: Mar 2013 burnley Posts: 27 peugot 406 hdi renault clio 1.4 dynamique
    #10
    new spark plugs perhaps, usually when a coil pack goes it takes the plugs with it, because they like to cause a major fault! but would suggest getting the multimeter out and just making sure.
  11. Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2009 newcastle Posts: 980 2002 silver vts
    #11
    Sparks are only about 3m old? Just been looking at my temp sensor and the plastic plug on the sensor turns by hand! Guessing that can't be good?
  12. Newbie Joined: Mar 2013 burnley Posts: 27 peugot 406 hdi renault clio 1.4 dynamique
    #12
    wouldn't suggest over tightening it, its only plastic. but this could be a cause for your issues
  13. Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2009 newcastle Posts: 980 2002 silver vts
    #13
    That shouldn't move at all should it?
  14. Newbie Joined: Mar 2013 burnley Posts: 27 peugot 406 hdi renault clio 1.4 dynamique
    #14
    it shouldnt move at all, unless you get a tool to the job
  15. Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2009 newcastle Posts: 980 2002 silver vts
    #15
    The sensor its self doesn't move its the plastic plug on the sensor that does
  16. Newbie Joined: Mar 2013 burnley Posts: 27 peugot 406 hdi renault clio 1.4 dynamique
    #16
    can you get a photo? been googling like a big un to try and get a photo up
  17. Newbie Joined: Mar 2013 burnley Posts: 27 peugot 406 hdi renault clio 1.4 dynamique
    #17
    god bless ebay! found what you are looking at, they can twist, wouldnt suggest turning anymore, doesnt look like the best of plastic.
  18. Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2009 newcastle Posts: 980 2002 silver vts
    #18
    http://item.mobileweb.ebay.co.uk/vie...id=20132829291

    Pic on there mate, its the green plug on top that you can turn by hand
  19. Newbie Joined: Mar 2013 burnley Posts: 27 peugot 406 hdi renault clio 1.4 dynamique
    #19
    there usually just wired and pushed in. like i said, dont twist it anymore, or youll be forking out for a new one, flimsy plastic by the looks of things
  20. Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2009 newcastle Posts: 980 2002 silver vts
    #20
    Think I am going to get a new one anyway just to be sure
  21. Newbie Joined: Mar 2013 burnley Posts: 27 peugot 406 hdi renault clio 1.4 dynamique
    #21
    fair enough mate, hope it works
  22. Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2009 newcastle Posts: 980 2002 silver vts
    #22
    So do I mate thanks will let you know
  23. Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2009 newcastle Posts: 980 2002 silver vts
    #23
    Still haveing power loss seems to be when the car is cold. Not driveing hard don't do that wile its cold just normal driveing geting up to speed will put a little bit of power on and it will start pulling then just die for a seconds hold your foot down and it comes back really starting to piss me off now have replace coilpack and cooling temp sensor, any ideas?
  24. Regular Poster Joined: Dec 2012 coningsby,lincs Posts: 381 2000 saxo vts
    #24
    i had exactly the same and i put a 4.0 fpr in a sorted it mate
  25. Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2009 newcastle Posts: 980 2002 silver vts
    #25
    Could be a bit of a daft question mate but what is one of them?
  26. Regular Poster Joined: Dec 2012 coningsby,lincs Posts: 381 2000 saxo vts
    #26
    its a fuel pressure regulator mate its a little round thing that pushes in the end of the fuel rail get one for next to nothing from a scrappy out of a vag 1.8t engine i tryed everything else with mine to try and sort it including new injectors worth a try
  27. Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2009 newcastle Posts: 980 2002 silver vts
    #27
    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4-0-bar-fp...item4ac2a5c6b3

    that sort of thing?
  28. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2008 Lancs Posts: 4124 JP4S'd R.
    #28
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by tom_vts16v View Post
    its a fuel pressure regulator mate its a little round thing that pushes in the end of the fuel rail get one for next to nothing from a scrappy out of a vag 1.8t engine i tryed everything else with mine to try and sort it including new injectors worth a try
    Just masking the problem not fixing it
  29. Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2009 newcastle Posts: 980 2002 silver vts
    #29
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by saxova View Post
    Just masking the problem not fixing it
    what problem is the question
  30. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2008 Lancs Posts: 4124 JP4S'd R.
    #30
    Fueling.

    Try a different/new map sensor?

    My 16v had bad flat spots map sensor made a hell of a difference
  31. Regular Poster Joined: Dec 2012 coningsby,lincs Posts: 381 2000 saxo vts
    #31
    i tryed 3 different map sensors 2x coil packs which are all known working ones
    new water temp sensors
    new plugs
    new inectors
    new throttle position sensor
    new icv valve
    new fuel pump relay

    and none of those solved this issue so didnt know what else to try other than fpr
  32. Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2012 Aylesford, Kent Posts: 231 2001 Posi Blue Furio 2000 Wicked Red VTS
    #32
    Have you got something squashing the fuel pipe underneath the passenger seat inside the vehicle. I had this problem and turned out it was the bucket seats I had we're squashing the pipe
  33. Regular Poster Joined: Dec 2012 coningsby,lincs Posts: 381 2000 saxo vts
    #33
    i did check lines and just painted floor in mine as its stripped and fuel lines are all fine good idea though
  34. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2012 Perth Posts: 3665 Peugeot 106 1.1 Turbo Peugeot 106 1.5D Turbo Peuge
    #34
    OP you have to establish if your car is running rich or lean. I'd still suggest it's a MAP or TPS problem.

    I have this problem on my GTI, and it's my ECU on its way out. every sensor under the bonnet has been changed.
  35. L-plater Joined: Feb 2010 ebbw vale Posts: 72 citroen saxo silver completely standard
    #35
    Cam shaft sensor??
  36. L-plater Joined: Oct 2012 Devon Posts: 44 Astra Coupe Turbo Phase 3.5 & Saxo VTR 16v
    #36
    Mine does this, just part of its mannerisms now, got used to it! If I start it up in the morning and leave it ticking over it does it after about 5 mins even when I'm not in it, and 2 times out of 10 it will stall the car!
  37. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2012 Perth Posts: 3665 Peugeot 106 1.1 Turbo Peugeot 106 1.5D Turbo Peuge
    #37
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by LukeSport View Post
    Mine does this, just part of its mannerisms now, got used to it! If I start it up in the morning and leave it ticking over it does it after about 5 mins even when I'm not in it, and 2 times out of 10 it will stall the car!
    You mean 1 in 5?
  38. Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2009 newcastle Posts: 980 2002 silver vts
    #38
    fitted a new 4bar fpr today havent really had it out on a good run yet but drove around the block and seemed fine tick over it alot better aswell, will let yous know what it is like when i have been on a good drive
  39. L-plater Joined: Oct 2012 Devon Posts: 44 Astra Coupe Turbo Phase 3.5 & Saxo VTR 16v
    #39
    Yeah that's what I meant! Lol!
  40. Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2009 newcastle Posts: 980 2002 silver vts
    #40
    Doesn't seem to of worked sick of this now! Just seems to be geting worse aswell, seems to be really jumpy and power loss at low revs
  41. Regular Poster Joined: Dec 2012 coningsby,lincs Posts: 381 2000 saxo vts
    #41
    now you have fitted the fpr mate un plug ecu for half hour then take it for a good drive see if that makes a difference
  42. Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2009 newcastle Posts: 980 2002 silver vts
    #42
    Had the ecu unpluged and also had the icv out and cleaned up still the same the car has cut out on tick over a few times now really starting to boil me piss now! Some times tickes over no bother and other times its abit jumppy and cuts out after a wile. Still geting power loss hot or cold can be when u r just slowley building up speed or puting your foot down will just die for a second or two then pick up I am at a loss :s
  43. Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2009 newcastle Posts: 980 2002 silver vts
    #43
    Also had spark plugs out and they all seem fine non of them smelling of petrol or anything like that
  44. Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2009 newcastle Posts: 980 2002 silver vts
    #44
    Still haveing this problem! Don't know if it helps but my mother was driveing behind me today and said that she could smell pertol when following me the car has a 4branch and decat don't know if that matters?
  45. Regular Poster Joined: Dec 2012 coningsby,lincs Posts: 381 2000 saxo vts
    #45
    most cars smell abit fuely mate when decatted could be fuel pump on its last legs i think thats the problem with mine as sometimes my fuel pump doesnt stop priming when i put ignition on
  46. Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2009 newcastle Posts: 980 2002 silver vts
    #46
    Mine does stop but some times it does prime for a wile
  47. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2007 smurfland. Posts: 17346 Ex saxo owner.
    #47
    Injectors not working properly,or injector wiring split/damaged.
  48. Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2009 newcastle Posts: 980 2002 silver vts
    #48
    This is starting to get bad now! Car is doing it all the time. I left work drove about 5mins to a shop and it lost power twice when I got to the shop I sat out side with the car running for a few mins and the revs were all over droping really low whole car was shaking. Away went in the shop etc drove around 5mins to the motorway did it a few times on the way when I joined when to over take a car and seemed as soon as I tried to put power down it pulled for a second then just lost all power car was jumping all over cluch down then back out pulled again then nothing did this for around 1.5miles then I had to pull off

    Any ideas on this? Can't afford for the car to brake down on me :s
  49. L-plater Joined: Feb 2013 Blackpool Posts: 84 1998 saxo vtr 53 vts conversion
    #49
    sounds like fuel air mixture is not right? and car is choking itself out?
  50. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2012 Perth Posts: 3665 Peugeot 106 1.1 Turbo Peugeot 106 1.5D Turbo Peuge
    #50
    Sounds like it's over-fuelling.

    My guess it's because of your lambda sensor or worn out sensors like the MAP.

    When you removed the spark plugs, they should NOT be black and sooty. but quite clean looking.