Water Temperature Gauge Again.... UPDATE: Video Added

1. darrenmcc Infrequent Poster Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 162 saxo vts mk1 (black) Pulsar GTiR (black) saxo vt

   #1 19th March 2013, 17:50

   so my guage goes up and down 3 times, then stays down and doesn't go back up unless I restart the car, but even then, does the same thing, up and down 3 times then stays down.
   was hopin that it was the sensor but having changed that, its still doing the same thing, I've also topped up the coolant. I've been told it could be my dials on the way out (hoping not) or it could be needing flushed, does anyone have any other ideas?
   
   Thanks
2. user_62142 Newbie Joined: Nov 2012 Dorset Posts: 28 Saxo Desire 1.1

   #2 19th March 2013, 18:00

   Coolant bleed maybe?
3. darrenmcc Infrequent Poster Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 162 saxo vts mk1 (black) Pulsar GTiR (black) saxo vt

   #3 19th March 2013, 18:09

   hmm yeah maybe try that at the wkend, hopefully it works, the thought of changing the dials is a bit dreading
4. D4NNY-801 Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2013 Posts: 165 Saxo VTR

   #4 19th March 2013, 18:17

   A bleed would do nothing mate. By the sound of things youve either got a short in the wiring loom or the earth in the clock is broken as thats what the fuel gauge does when that happens due to getting no signal.
5. user_61020 Established Member Joined: Aug 2012 Posts: 2009 Saxò VTS 16v

   #5 19th March 2013, 18:30

   I thinks new dials is the only way,i had a similar issue but with the petrol gauge,solved it by replacing the dials,i got one in very good condition for 25£,also,replacing it takes 20 minutes.
6. darrenmcc Infrequent Poster Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 162 saxo vts mk1 (black) Pulsar GTiR (black) saxo vt

   #6 19th March 2013, 18:36

   ahhh dammit. mite have to wait till wkend and take a proper look at the dials. was also told, if its the dials, I would have to get dials that have a lower milage than my car, as the ecu automatically uses the highest mileage of the dials that's on the car, anyone confirm this?
   
   and thanks for the help with this! appreciated!
7. user_61020 Established Member Joined: Aug 2012 Posts: 2009 Saxò VTS 16v

   #7 19th March 2013, 19:00

   Nope that won't work,mileage will still be the same.

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8. darrenmcc Infrequent Poster Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 162 saxo vts mk1 (black) Pulsar GTiR (black) saxo vt

   #8 20th March 2013, 20:28

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by VeiRoN Nope that won't work,mileage will still be the same.

   so regardless what the mileage is of the car the dials come off, it'll still read the mileage from whats on my car?
   
   guess the mileage is programmed in the ecu or sumthin?
9. user_61020 Established Member Joined: Aug 2012 Posts: 2009 Saxò VTS 16v

   #9 20th March 2013, 21:05

   No mate,that was a bit misleading,the ecu doesn't keep track of the mileage,if for example you get dials from a car that has 110.000 miles and fit them to your car they will still be 110.000 miles,can confirm this as i changed mine a few months ago.
10. darrenmcc Infrequent Poster Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 162 saxo vts mk1 (black) Pulsar GTiR (black) saxo vt

    #10 20th March 2013, 21:13

    ahhh ok, so regardless of what the mileage is on the new dials, it'll read the new ones and not my own mileage?
11. MartinObviously Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2012 Perth Posts: 3665 Peugeot 106 1.1 Turbo Peugeot 106 1.5D Turbo Peuge

    #11 20th March 2013, 21:21

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by darrenmcc ahhh ok, so regardless of what the mileage is on the new dials, it'll read the new ones and not my own mileage?

    Yup.
    Mileage is tied to the clocks, not the car.
    
    Might be worth you removing the dials and cleaning the connectors?
12. darrenmcc Infrequent Poster Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 162 saxo vts mk1 (black) Pulsar GTiR (black) saxo vt

    #12 20th March 2013, 21:49

    ahh dammit, suppose I could get the clocks adjusted to the correct mileage tho.
    
    just been told aswell to check incase the thermostat sensor is gone, bbut not really sure where the thermostat is and cant find a guide with pics :s
13. darrenmcc Infrequent Poster Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 162 saxo vts mk1 (black) Pulsar GTiR (black) saxo vt

    #13 21st March 2013, 19:26

    Managed to get a video of whats happening today. I had driven the car for about 15mins as I was on way home from work, got stopped at a set of traffic lights so I restarted the car, and then you can see, it goes up half way, then does the boucing thing before staying all the way down
    
    thanks again
    
    link:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mz2uJ...ature=youtu.be
14. user_61020 Established Member Joined: Aug 2012 Posts: 2009 Saxò VTS 16v

    #14 21st March 2013, 19:40

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by darrenmcc ahhh ok, so regardless of what the mileage is on the new dials, it'll read the new ones and not my own mileage?

    Yes exactly.
    
    

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by darrenmcc ahh dammit, suppose I could get the clocks adjusted to the correct mileage tho. just been told aswell to check incase the thermostat sensor is gone, bbut not really sure where the thermostat is and cant find a guide with pics :s

    
    
    Green sensor controlls the ecu/icv.
    Blue one is for the gauge cluster.
    Brown is the fan ecu.
15. darrenmcc Infrequent Poster Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 162 saxo vts mk1 (black) Pulsar GTiR (black) saxo vt

    #15 21st March 2013, 19:46

    was the green one that I changed, guessing wrong one?
16. Bedford126 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2010 Morley, Leeds Posts: 8469 Civic ep3 type r powered by TDI NORTH

    #16 21st March 2013, 19:53

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by darrenmcc was the green one that I changed, guessing wrong one?

    yup wrong one blue is for gauge cluster.

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17. darrenmcc Infrequent Poster Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 162 saxo vts mk1 (black) Pulsar GTiR (black) saxo vt

    #17 21st March 2013, 19:56

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Bedford126 yup wrong one blue is for gauge cluster.

    ahhhh f my life!
    
    ah well, least it mite save me the hassle of stripping the dash
18. user_61020 Established Member Joined: Aug 2012 Posts: 2009 Saxò VTS 16v

    #18 21st March 2013, 19:58

    Thought i had the blue sensor but i don't,never mind.

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19. darrenmcc Infrequent Poster Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 162 saxo vts mk1 (black) Pulsar GTiR (black) saxo vt

    #19 21st March 2013, 20:04

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by VeiRoN Thought i had the blue sensor but i don't,never mind.

    cheers for all the help!!
    nah no worries, stuck a post in the wanted section and will check that auction site and see if I can get one.
    
    much appreciated again!
20. darrenmcc Infrequent Poster Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 162 saxo vts mk1 (black) Pulsar GTiR (black) saxo vt

    #20 4th April 2013, 17:52

    well that's both sensors changed, and the problems still no fixed.
    also, noticed that even if the car has been left overnight in the cold, when I turn the ignition on, the guage starts to go up and down immediately, in small bits. like, up and little bit, down a bit, up a little more, down a little, then vice versa, its as if the sensor is in a bucket of water being moved. will tryn get another video
    
    also, thinkin about it, im not sure I've heard my fan comin on at all, incase this narrows things down. goin to double check to see
21. Gandi699 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 9100 Amazon green VTR 16v, Inferno RS clio 182

    #21 4th April 2013, 18:10

    Dials I reckon
22. darrenmcc Infrequent Poster Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 162 saxo vts mk1 (black) Pulsar GTiR (black) saxo vt

    #22 5th April 2013, 15:42

    is there anyway to find out if it is the dials without having to put another set of dials in?
23. mlawlan69 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Sep 2010 leeds Posts: 4389 MCS R53 S/C 16v furiooo

    #23 5th April 2013, 15:53

    in the video it looks almost like they are calibrating themselves.
24. darrenmcc Infrequent Poster Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 162 saxo vts mk1 (black) Pulsar GTiR (black) saxo vt

    #24 5th April 2013, 22:03

    just doesn't go back up once the guage goes down