Nearly span out :o

  1. Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2012 droitwich Posts: 177 Silver - Mk1 Saxo VTS
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    I was on the duel carriage way near me today, doing like 70-80mph. It was a slight bend and I had to brake as a car pulled out in front of me. It pulled hard to the right and my back end was all over the place, so close to having a major accident. What would cause this?


    Thanks
  2. Established Member Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 1050 Volkswagen Bora 170bhp
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by stimsonlee View Post
    I was on the duel carriage way near me today, doing like 70-80mph. It was a slight bend and I had to brake as a car pulled out in front of me. It pulled hard to the right and my back end was all over the place, so close to having a major accident. What would cause this?


    Thanks
    Shit handling lol
  3. Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2012 droitwich Posts: 177 Silver - Mk1 Saxo VTS
    #3
    Couldn't of been that shit or I would of span out
  4. Established Member Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 1050 Volkswagen Bora 170bhp
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by stimsonlee View Post
    Couldn't of been that shit or I would of span out
    Only joking lol
  5. Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2012 droitwich Posts: 177 Silver - Mk1 Saxo VTS
    #5
    Haha was quite lucky to be fair. Was a few cars around me so could of turned out pretty bad :/
  6. Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2012 droitwich Posts: 177 Silver - Mk1 Saxo VTS
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    Lucky I just dropped my daughter off too :/
  7. Established Member Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 1050 Volkswagen Bora 170bhp
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by stimsonlee View Post
    Lucky I just dropped my daughter off too :/
    Count yourself lucky lol

    Some woman drove into me the other day so my car is more than likely going to be written off =(
  8. Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2012 droitwich Posts: 177 Silver - Mk1 Saxo VTS
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ryancoyle View Post
    Count yourself lucky lol

    Some woman drove into me the other day so my car is more than likely going to be written off =(
    Ahhh that's gutting for you mate . Another saxo on the cards? Lol.
  9. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2010 Morley, Leeds Posts: 8469 Civic ep3 type r powered by TDI NORTH
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    Shit driving & shit driver caused it mate.
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  10. Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2012 droitwich Posts: 177 Silver - Mk1 Saxo VTS
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Bedford126 View Post
    Shit driving.
    Pointless comment.
  11. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 31279 Citroen Saxo VTS, S60 D5
    #11
    Did you have your rear brake compensator/bias valve w.e adjusted on the Beam when it was lowered?
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  12. Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2012 droitwich Posts: 177 Silver - Mk1 Saxo VTS
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Prickle View Post
    Did you have your rear brake compensator/bias valve w.e adjusted on the Beam when it was lowered?
    Haven't had it lowered yet mate. Just checked around the drivers wheel and it seems my cv boot has slightly come away and grease is all on the inside of the wheel :/.
  13. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2010 Morley, Leeds Posts: 8469 Civic ep3 type r powered by TDI NORTH
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    Originally Posted by stimsonlee View Post
    Pointless comment.
    No not really, I have driven on track going a hell of a lot faster than you were going with cars pulling in front of me and I never nearly spun out.

    Shit driving prob's shit tyres and incorrect tyre pressures. More than likely just a shit driver though.
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  14. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Sep 2010 leeds Posts: 4389 MCS R53 S/C 16v furiooo
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    It pulled due to the bend and the weight transfer, none of this compensator shit.
  15. Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2012 droitwich Posts: 177 Silver - Mk1 Saxo VTS
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Bedford126 View Post
    No not really, I have driven on track going a hell of a lot faster than you were going with cars pulling in front of me and I never nearly spun out.

    Shit driving prob's shit tyres and incorrect tyre pressures. More than likely just a shit driver though.
    Think I've found the cause in my last post. Pretty sure that's what's cause it, unisport royals with good tread so tyres are fine. Cv grease is everywhere though.
  16. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 31279 Citroen Saxo VTS, S60 D5
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mlawlan69 View Post
    It pulled due to the bend and the weight transfer, none of this compensator shit.
    Well it could of been the problem.
  17. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2010 South Wales Posts: 3078 ZX 16v, 205 GTI, 309 Goodwood, 405 MI16.
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    brake imbalance due to CV grease all over one side.

    exacerbated by NOOB braking on a corner whilst driving too fast.
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  18. Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2012 droitwich Posts: 177 Silver - Mk1 Saxo VTS
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    Originally Posted by welshpug View Post
    brake imbalance due to CV grease all over one side.

    exacerbated by NOOB braking on a corner whilst driving too fast.

    Had no choice in breaking on a corner, when the car in the left lane decides to pull out a few meters in front of me.
  19. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2009 Jonathan Tonk's yard. Posts: 4232 '85 Opel Manta '88 Manta GT/E '87 Rayleigh Roadi
    #19
    This is what happens when you're doing 127mph in a saxo then brake hard mid corner.

    Why were you confused as to why this happened?
  20. Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2012 droitwich Posts: 177 Silver - Mk1 Saxo VTS
    #20
    70-80mph mate, that's why I was confused.
  21. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2010 Morley, Leeds Posts: 8469 Civic ep3 type r powered by TDI NORTH
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by stimsonlee View Post
    70-80mph mate, that's why I was confused.
    shit driving.
  22. Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2012 droitwich Posts: 177 Silver - Mk1 Saxo VTS
    #22
    Pointless comment.
  23. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2010 Morley, Leeds Posts: 8469 Civic ep3 type r powered by TDI NORTH
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by stimsonlee View Post
    Pointless comment.
    Self explanatory comment. ^^^^
  24. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2009 Jonathan Tonk's yard. Posts: 4232 '85 Opel Manta '88 Manta GT/E '87 Rayleigh Roadi
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by stimsonlee View Post
    70-80mph mate, that's why I was confused.
    I was joking but the outcome would have been the same at either speeds, did you feel the car pull under normal braking?
  25. Established Member Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 1050 Volkswagen Bora 170bhp
    #25
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by stimsonlee View Post
    Pointless comment.
    Most comments are pointless on this lol

    You ask a simple question and all you get is smart arse remarks
  26. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 3593
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    I agree with Bedford. Also, not quite sure why you are so shocked about this whole episode.
  27. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2010 Morley, Leeds Posts: 8469 Civic ep3 type r powered by TDI NORTH
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ryancoyle View Post
    Most comments are pointless on this lol
    A bit like the comment you just posted then?
  28. Established Member Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 1050 Volkswagen Bora 170bhp
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Bedford126 View Post
    A bit like the comment you just posted then?
    ^^ Like so ^^
  29. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2010 Morley, Leeds Posts: 8469 Civic ep3 type r powered by TDI NORTH
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ryancoyle View Post
    ^^ Like so ^^
    Who are you? Your post count indicates you are a Noob so your input is invalid.
  30. Established Member Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 1050 Volkswagen Bora 170bhp
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Bedford126 View Post
    Who are you? Your post count indicates you are a Noob so your input is invalid.
    A Noob at what you dick
  31. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2010 Morley, Leeds Posts: 8469 Civic ep3 type r powered by TDI NORTH
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ryancoyle View Post
    A Noob at what you dick
    A noob at life you obviously have no clue.

    You Dicklol are you 12 or something?
  32. Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2012 droitwich Posts: 177 Silver - Mk1 Saxo VTS
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Muel View Post
    I agree with Bedford. Also, not quite sure why you are so shocked about this whole episode.
    Because it was only 70-80mph and it pulled hard. Unlike normal.
  33. Established Member Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 1050 Volkswagen Bora 170bhp
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Bedford126 View Post
    A noob at life you obviously have no clue.

    You Dicklol are you 12 or something?
    A noob at life? explain? lol
  34. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2010 Morley, Leeds Posts: 8469 Civic ep3 type r powered by TDI NORTH
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ryancoyle View Post
    A noob at life? explain? lol
    Na life is something you have to learn for yourself.
  35. Established Member Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 1050 Volkswagen Bora 170bhp
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Bedford126 View Post
    Na life is something you have to learn for yourself.
    So I am a noob at life but you can't tell me why?

    Bit retarded if you ask me
  36. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2010 Morley, Leeds Posts: 8469 Civic ep3 type r powered by TDI NORTH
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ryancoyle View Post
    So I am a noob at life but you can't tell me why?

    Bit retarded if you ask me
    Not really. Only a retard would ask some one why they are retarded at life.
    And with your pissy moaning comments i would say you are a full on retard.
  37. Established Member Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 1050 Volkswagen Bora 170bhp
    #37
    doubtful retard.
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  38. Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2008 west london Posts: 13810
    #38
    as said, braking mid corner probably caused it
  39. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Pompey/Darlo Posts: 31546 MK1 - 1.1 Animal
    #39
    brake on a corner and let off hello back end
  40. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Sep 2009 Stranraer Posts: 3437 bodied VTR
    #40
    any camber on the axle?
  41. Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2012 droitwich Posts: 177 Silver - Mk1 Saxo VTS
    #41
    Just drove it down the road doing like 30mph around a sharpish left bed and it felt like it wanted to pull to the right. This was without breaking
  42. Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2011 Patras Greece Posts: 352 Ford Focus 2.5 ST Citroen Saxo Vts 16v race car
    #42
    You unsettled the car with lift off oversteer which got worst with sharp braking... So some of the comments above are right about your bad driving as you clearly were not driving sensibly and within your capabilities.

    If you still think you are ayrton sennas encarnation go and get your wheel alligment checked as a slightly torn cv boot will not have enough grease to cause the rear tires to lose traction
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  43. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2009 Jonathan Tonk's yard. Posts: 4232 '85 Opel Manta '88 Manta GT/E '87 Rayleigh Roadi
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AlexFocusST View Post
    You unsettled the car with lift off oversteer which got worst with sharp braking... So some of the comments above are right about your bad driving as you clearly were not driving sensibly and within your capabilities.

    If you still think you are ayrton sennas encarnation got and get yor wheel alligment checked as a slightly torn cv boot will not have enough grease to cause the rear tires to lose traction
    very clever......
  44. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Sep 2011 Doncaster Posts: 2627 Fabia VRS, mk1 fiesta + some others
    #44
    chances are you will have locked the back end up.

    Find some empty road and do an emergency stop and see what the car does.
  45. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2010 South Wales Posts: 3078 ZX 16v, 205 GTI, 309 Goodwood, 405 MI16.
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AlexFocusST View Post
    If you still think you are ayrton sennas encarnation go and get your wheel alligment checked as a slightly torn cv boot will not have enough grease to cause the rear tires to lose traction
    quite right with that ASSumption, however it would have caused a rather massive imbalance of front braking power.
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  46. Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2012 123 happy land, worcestershire/surrey Posts: 798 saxo vtr 2002
    #46
    shit driving prob little harsh but roads are signed very well to make u aware of what's oncoming. should really have been slower then 70 coming into junctions and now u know why.

    shit happens, some cunt did an Ebrake on th motorway and my rear end locked up and nearly caught th concrete wall. dickfuck over-reacted to someone signalling and thought he was being cut up. cunt

    did u have a lot of stuff in th back? that made my incident a lot worst thn needed!
  47. Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2012 droitwich Posts: 177 Silver - Mk1 Saxo VTS
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ns9900 View Post
    shit driving prob little harsh but roads are signed very well to make u aware of what's oncoming. should really have been slower then 70 coming into junctions and now u know why.

    shit happens, some cunt did an Ebrake on th motorway and my rear end locked up and nearly caught th concrete wall. dickfuck over-reacted to someone signalling and thought he was being cut up. cunt

    did u have a lot of stuff in th back? that made my incident a lot worst thn needed!
    Don't think you read my original post properly mate lol. Duel carriage way, overtaking....some cunt in left lane doesn't see me coming past and decides to pull out. Nahhhh rear was empty.
  48. Saxperience Addict Joined: Apr 2007 Sunderland Posts: 10341
    #48
    It doesn't take a genius to work out if you lift off or brake hard on a tight corner you will unsettle the car because the geometry of the suspension will vary shifting the weight of the car.
  49. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Isle of Man Posts: 9844 92 Eunos
    #49
    From this thread I've learnt

    RyanCoyle is a faggot
    OP is an awful driver.
  50. Saxperience Addict Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 11714 A6 Le Mans tuned/A3 TFSI tuned
    #50
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by m4tt274 View Post
    chances are you will have locked the back end up.
    ABS brakes? A little grease on one disc is enough to cause serious imbalance and the car will pull hard. OP not knowing you shouldn't brake sharply mid-corner otherwise it's bye bye car.
  51. Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2012 droitwich Posts: 177 Silver - Mk1 Saxo VTS
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Jay_ View Post
    From this thread I've learnt

    RyanCoyle is a faggot
    OP is an awful driver.
    Just learnt your a prick with nothing useful to say, other than what others have posted. More than likely because your a sheep. Now crawl back to your hole faggot.


    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Manu View Post
    ABS brakes? A little grease on one disc is enough to cause serious imbalance and the car will pull hard. OP not knowing you shouldn't brake sharply mid-corner otherwise it's bye bye car.
    Yeh the inside of the wheel is pretty coated :/. I had no choice to brake sharply or I would of been in the back end of the land rover. I guess its better to get a new driveshaft than a CV boot kit?
  52. Saxperience Addict Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 11714 A6 Le Mans tuned/A3 TFSI tuned
    #52
    Fair enough, I have seen my fair share of dangerous folks driving and having no choice but to get my foot through the brake pedal.


    I'd take the wheel off and do a proper assessment, then have a look at the driveshaft and see if it needs doing. I had a greasy disc once just after a detail and some of the cleaning products got in there. I was only round the corner at 15 mph but felt a sharp pull, nearly enough to get off the road. I was already on the hand brake just in case and clearly something you don't expect. In my case it wasn't some CV damage etc but I did wonder about that straight away.

    So just make sure you degrease all that crap, also not great as the dirt will also glue to that immediately and you don't want that in between your pads and discs. I'd do it asap just to avoid getting from bad to worse.
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  53. Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2012 droitwich Posts: 177 Silver - Mk1 Saxo VTS
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Manu View Post
    Fair enough, I have seen my fair share of dangerous folks driving and having no choice but to get my foot through the brake pedal.


    I'd take the wheel off and do a proper assessment, then have a look at the driveshaft and see if it needs doing. I had a greasy disc once just after a detail and some of the cleaning products got in there. I was only round the corner at 15 mph but felt a sharp pull, nearly enough to get off the road. I was already on the hand brake just in case and clearly something you don't expect. In my case it wasn't some CV damage etc but I did wonder about that straight away.

    So just make sure you degrease all that crap, also not great as the dirt will also glue to that immediately and you don't want that in between your pads and discs. I'd do it asap just to avoid getting from bad to worse.

    Yeh I'll check it all through mate. Thanks