16v hyudralic lifters, noise.

1st April 2013, 15:41

So i rebuild my head, New headgasket, New valve seals, and grinded them in (valves) started for the first time for a couple of months, and had it running for 5min or smth, and the sound from the lifters, are really loud.

any ideas what it could be?

1st April 2013, 20:00

How old Is the oil and what is the ambient temp ?

1st April 2013, 20:13

Did you refit same lifters?

1st April 2013, 20:43

Could be the tappets dry of oil, happend when i cammed my 16v it sorted itself out:

1st April 2013, 20:45

Noticed i put this in the wrong section.

New oil, my oil pressure gauge shows 0,0bar and flashes, it did at one Point move, when i revved to about 2bar (to low anyhow..) then it shows 0,0b again.

so, i removed the sump, and saw a bit of paper that clogged and sat in the "sil" dunno English Word, of the oil pump, so removed it and remvoed the pump, put it in a bath of oil and turned the sprocket and saw that it sucks and presses out oil.

so refitted it and refitted sump etc, filled New oil. And started, and same noise..

Its really loud, "skär/ cuts" (dunno the right Word for that iether..).

old lifters, same Place, filled with oil before refitted them.

1st April 2013, 20:58

I had it Idling for 5mins, turned off, checked for leaks and oil level, and same thing again.. Does it take so Long time for it to build pressure? I Will borrow one oil pressure gauge from work tomorrow.

I have put my pressure gauge on the side of the head (allen Bolt hole)

1st April 2013, 21:16

Remove the oil pressure switch on the front of block and crank it over a couple times with the coil pack unplugged

Get someone to watch,,oil should shoot out so have something to catch it, if it does your oil pump should be working

1st April 2013, 21:31

Front, the one that sits Close to the alternator? Two sensors, one is probably oil level, and one other is White, thats the one?
Second vid, is it supposed to blow from the oil filling hole?

2nd April 2013, 09:22

Is the head gasket on the right way round ? There is a square cut out on it to let oil up from the block to the head

2nd April 2013, 10:27

Could Only put it one way, so yeah, im pretty sure its the right way. I Will test with oil pressure gauge from work, and buy a New aftermarket one and plug it in on the side, where the allen Bolt sat.

i had some debris/paper at the sill, of the oil pump, removed and refitted Everything like i stated further up.

Thanks for all the tips, could oil Lines from the block - head, clogged if paper got passed the oil pump?

2nd April 2013, 16:03

So, where the pressure switch is, i get 4,1bar at idle.
loosen the Bolt on the side of the cylinder head (some use that for turbo oil feed) it just drips out of it..

any further ideas?

2nd April 2013, 16:36

head gasket can be fitted wrong way --sounds like you have blocked the oil way to the head --
take off cam covers --you should get covered in oil if you run it ,
If not you have blocked the oil way ,either by fitting gasket wrong way or too much sealer on cam ladders and its blocking oil ways --h/gasket wrong way is my bet
4.bar of oil pressure is std so if you have it in lower part of engine --you should have it at top
run it too long and you will damage the cam bearings + the head --
if when you remove the head the gasket is on right way then you must have sealer in the oilways in the head causing blockage

2nd April 2013, 16:46

Checking the cam ladders atm, i rotate the crank by hand with a ratchet, and look at those two holes on each side of the ladder, cant see any oil gettin out tho.

But maybe you cant make it push out oil by that way.

thanks for the tips.

2nd April 2013, 16:57

what john said!

2nd April 2013, 17:42

Take the tappets out, soak them overnight in white spirit, upside down. Then remove the inside plunger with pliars or by banging on a wooden surface. Pull the plungers apart and clean inside, test the one-way valve operates correctly by blowing/sucking and completely clean in white spirit, then after all components are cleaned, clean again with brake cleaner, then dry on the radiator. Then reassembly is the reverse of the process. Refresh the surface that contacts the camshaft by scribing a figure of 8 on a lubricated whetstone until the surface uniformly dulls-up. Once you've done that and all the one-way valves are proven working, and all the tiny springs are working and not split, you know you've got 16 working followers.

These followers do not need 'priming' because when engine oil under pressure attacks the ball bearing one-way-valve, the air will come out the same hole the oil goes in and the valves will bleed themselves. Can take a couple of minutes, make sure you change your oil and filter at the same time because it'd be a shame to crap-up your shiny new tappets!

...of course it's probably the head gasket on the wrong way round, especially if you think it won't go on wrong! I did it once, so nobody is immune

Good luck!

2nd April 2013, 18:47

Do i need a New headgasket and bolts now?

looked at the old gasket, and there are like teeth, on the edge, and looked at the one thats fitted, so the sqaure for oil, is fitted (standin in front of car) to the left.. Which i Think is wrong (watched some Picture of my Engine block w/o head)

So thats probably that. However, the first camshaft was stuck..
At this part , Picture -

2nd April 2013, 19:02

Bolts have a maximum length I thought? You measure them to see if they need replacing

2nd April 2013, 19:50

So, head is of phew.. As some of you guessed.. Hg was wrong side.

3rd April 2013, 00:26

You could probably get away with the bolts if they are in tolerance but for peace of mind I'd replace them. I did when I had to remove my head after messing something up and it only be torqued down for 24 hours

3rd April 2013, 06:09

Yeah, you stretches them when u angle tightening them, but i re-used both hg and bolts.

what Do you Think of the heaf, where the cam lays? I cant feel any marks/scratches, but you can see some.. That are not Deep at all..

3rd April 2013, 08:33

if what you show is the most damge then no problem --clean cam brgs with very fine w+d paper-- 1500-1800 grade, to remove any alloy that has stuck to them--and rebuild

3rd April 2013, 09:08

I couldnt see any worse damage, im curious why the camshaft where stuck, but thats probably bcoz lack of lubrication, the part that is axial where stuck. Had to pull it out with the old cambelt.

thanks i Will take fine "wetsandpaper" to remove any debris that stuck.

3rd April 2013, 13:41

the camshaft wouldn't turn? Probably hitting the piston!

4th April 2013, 20:45

So i got the headgakset on, and bled the cooling system, had it on for about 40min..

i can see around the headgasket its a bit of oil, just a Little bit around the edge..

and at one part i got some oil running down the block, not much just a Little Little bit..
is that common with New gasket, it has to "run" in?

4th April 2013, 20:49

I'd never re-use a gasket thats been torque'd down and ran to be honest. Some say you'll be ok but then you run into problems with sealing of the fire rings and so on after they've been "squished" by the new clamping forces

5th April 2013, 08:29

so you fitted h/gasket wrong way and now you have refitted it correct way --but same gasket --not suprised its leaking no doubt you used same hbolts AGAIN as well , but its wroth checking if the oil is leaking from cam boxs and running down head ,then along the head gasket line to lowest point ,as engine is tilted

5th April 2013, 20:18

Correct, i probably by a New gasket and bolts later on, hopefully i can skip to skim the head again.
It just leaks at that Point, well the camladders leak to, but i Will redo them.

the hbolts is ok to use as Long the are not stretched longer than 122,6mm

so the Cars running but got some things to fix..

thanks for the help.

13th April 2013, 14:51

can i just had i had the same prob with my vts mine was down to a simple spark plug being loose all sorted now just check your plugs mate

15th April 2013, 20:44

So its oil around the head, hmm.. Closest to the manifold are the water 'ports' if im not wrong, so how does the oil get out there..

Or could it be the oil that was inbetween the gasket? As it was filled with oil, since i mount it upside down (i cleaned the most of the oil out tho..)

Or is it just to get the head skimmed again

and new hg and new bolts? >_<