vt kit smoothing

1. stevenet15 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2006 aylesbury buckinghamshire Posts: 4822 Astra Turbo, saxo vts, punto turbo

   #1 24th August 2006, 10:21

   i am going to smooth my vt bump strips into the vt kit, not the kit to the car jsut blend the bump strips out on the vt kit like so:
   
   
   
   anyway just want soem recomendations as i dont want it cracking once i've done it, do i just use normal car filler? shal i rough the plastic or put little holes where the filler is gona go so it will bond through and stick good?
2. YM03 Established Member Joined: May 2006 north east Posts: 1487 vtr mk2, posi blue

   #2 24th August 2006, 13:09

   to fill them use fibre glass first, there is a bonding agent for the fibre glass to bond to plastic, but can't remember the name, but you can just rough it up with 40 grade sand paper, do all the filling and shaping with the fibre glass, then finnish with filler, then final layer of stopper, smooth, prime, smooth, paint, laqcuere
3. stevenet15 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2006 aylesbury buckinghamshire Posts: 4822 Astra Turbo, saxo vts, punto turbo

   #3 24th August 2006, 15:56

   cheers chris its only about a 2mm gap that needs to be filled so do you think just filler would be ok? i got a spare set of door mouldings to try it on as i got them off egay for £5.50
4. YM03 Established Member Joined: May 2006 north east Posts: 1487 vtr mk2, posi blue

   #4 24th August 2006, 19:14

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by stevenet15 cheers chris its only about a 2mm gap that needs to be filled so do you think just filler would be ok? i got a spare set of door mouldings to try it on as i got them off egay for £5.50

   don't use filler, the little gap might be 2mm, thats deap for filler as it sinks a fair bit, but it's the amount you have to put on to get it looking right:
   I did mine used fibre glass and then filled, and I used a fair bit of fibre to get rid of the full lip:thumbup:
5. YM03 Established Member Joined: May 2006 north east Posts: 1487 vtr mk2, posi blue

   #5 24th August 2006, 19:18

   couple of shots of mine, just give is a shout if you need any advice
   
   
6. CHowells Infrequent Poster Joined: Jul 2006 Carmarthenshire/Pembrokeshire, Wales Posts: 108 Citroen Saxo Furio

   #6 24th August 2006, 19:43

   Fair play that looks nice mate, Who sprayed it? Would you do it for a price on another car?
7. YM03 Established Member Joined: May 2006 north east Posts: 1487 vtr mk2, posi blue

   #7 24th August 2006, 21:22

   all work done by me:
   
   I would and do, for a price
8. stevenet15 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2006 aylesbury buckinghamshire Posts: 4822 Astra Turbo, saxo vts, punto turbo

   #8 24th August 2006, 22:53

   looks mint mate, can u find out the name of that stuff for me mate so that the fibreglass sticks to the plastic, cheers
9. YM03 Established Member Joined: May 2006 north east Posts: 1487 vtr mk2, posi blue

   #9 24th August 2006, 22:54

   will do mate
10. stevenet15 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2006 aylesbury buckinghamshire Posts: 4822 Astra Turbo, saxo vts, punto turbo

    #10 25th August 2006, 13:45

    is it some epoxy stuff or something?
    
    
    i found this text:
    
    "First stipple the resin onto the fibreglass on a board or similar then paint a small amount onto the kayak itself. This will make sure all will bond well. Place the fibreglass onto the kayak and again use the brush to stipple the area. This is to remove all air and let the resin fully bond with the glass"
    
    was on a site nothig nto do with cars and had hardly any info
11. YM03 Established Member Joined: May 2006 north east Posts: 1487 vtr mk2, posi blue

    #11 25th August 2006, 20:25

    it is like an epoxy, I'll be having a hunt about tonight, as I need plenty, just gettin a lovely job to do, shed loads of smoothing, boot lock, door handles and locks, smoothing all lines out of car, relocating number plate, and the list goes on
12. YM03 Established Member Joined: May 2006 north east Posts: 1487 vtr mk2, posi blue

    #12 25th August 2006, 20:39

    Fiberglass does not make a bond to plastic even if you drill holes in it. Your are better of using epoxy resin instead of polyester resin. Epoxy will will make a chemical bond to the plastic. Another product that might help you is called Automix from 3M or Duramix...same stuff. It is made for plastic repairs and works very well.
13. stevenet15 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2006 aylesbury buckinghamshire Posts: 4822 Astra Turbo, saxo vts, punto turbo

    #13 25th August 2006, 20:59

    so could i use somethign like:
    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/FLEX-EPOXY-EXT...QQcmdZViewItem
    
    how would i do it, either
    
    a) appy expoy wait to set and then put fibreglass on top
    
    or
    
    b) appy apoys and while still wet put the fibreglass on top
    
    
    thanks for your help chris
14. YM03 Established Member Joined: May 2006 north east Posts: 1487 vtr mk2, posi blue

    #14 25th August 2006, 21:12

    I would let the epoxy go off, then the fibre glass will bond to that, just paint the epoxy on
15. YM03 Established Member Joined: May 2006 north east Posts: 1487 vtr mk2, posi blue

    #15 25th August 2006, 21:19

    have a look at this site
    EPOXY
16. stevenet15 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2006 aylesbury buckinghamshire Posts: 4822 Astra Turbo, saxo vts, punto turbo

    #16 25th August 2006, 21:27

    what about tigerseal? paint it on then put fibreglass on top?
17. YM03 Established Member Joined: May 2006 north east Posts: 1487 vtr mk2, posi blue

    #17 25th August 2006, 21:32

    not sure mate, if you got any lying about, you could try it on a test pannel
18. stevenet15 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2006 aylesbury buckinghamshire Posts: 4822 Astra Turbo, saxo vts, punto turbo

    #18 25th August 2006, 22:09

    i was on a site that sais do not bond fibreglass to plastic whatso ever instead use Plastic weld in place of the fibreglass and then al light skim of filler over the top of that
19. stevenet15 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2006 aylesbury buckinghamshire Posts: 4822 Astra Turbo, saxo vts, punto turbo

    #19 25th August 2006, 22:13

    right tomorrow what i am going to do is get some fibergall filler, then i got a plastic tray in my garage then i will try put some scotch weld i ahve on it and then fibregall on top and test how well it holds
20. YM03 Established Member Joined: May 2006 north east Posts: 1487 vtr mk2, posi blue

    #20 25th August 2006, 22:22

    the more you look the more mind bogling it gets read one thing and find another, and they contradict each other
21. stevenet15 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2006 aylesbury buckinghamshire Posts: 4822 Astra Turbo, saxo vts, punto turbo

    #21 26th August 2006, 16:48

    ok i got a test peice going at the moment, i have put some expoy on it and while still tacky put fibreglass on top trying to bond the two, also there is another peice of epoy that i will put fibreglass on top once its dried adn see which works the best either applying the fibreglass when expoy dry or wet.
    
    
    
    
    the fibreglass i applied to the wet epoxy is looking good at the epoxy has realy blended into the fiberglass, its hard to see in the pics but i think this route is best
    
22. YM03 Established Member Joined: May 2006 north east Posts: 1487 vtr mk2, posi blue

    #22 26th August 2006, 16:54

    good work mate, keep is updated:thumbup:
23. ets2k9 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Hednesford, West Mids Posts: 6230 Seat Leon Cupra R

    #23 26th August 2006, 16:57

    YM03 I love the smoothed look of your car I'd consider having a go myself but after the debadging disaster I'll leave it alone.
    
    Hope it goes well Steve not a complete hijack after all.
24. YM03 Established Member Joined: May 2006 north east Posts: 1487 vtr mk2, posi blue

    #24 26th August 2006, 17:01

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ets2k9 YM03 I love the smoothed look of your car I'd consider having a go myself but after the debadging disaster I'll leave it alone. Hope it goes well Steve not a complete hijack after all.

    :thumbup: cheers mate
    
    it's not that hard, takes a while like in the prep work, I only sussed out how to do it when I binned my bike, and decided to give it a go, that was a couple of years back, now I'm bizzy smoothing my mates KA:
25. ets2k9 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Hednesford, West Mids Posts: 6230 Seat Leon Cupra R

    #25 26th August 2006, 17:04

    If you ever get bord you cam attack my car with some fibreglass and if you could do the tailgate that would be mint
26. YM03 Established Member Joined: May 2006 north east Posts: 1487 vtr mk2, posi blue

    #26 26th August 2006, 17:08

    I've got a possi blue mk1 boot out back I'm waiting to smooth, well waiting for mate to weld the plate in it for me
27. stevenet15 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2006 aylesbury buckinghamshire Posts: 4822 Astra Turbo, saxo vts, punto turbo

    #27 26th August 2006, 17:08

    what i am hoping to do is get a kit all smoothed, sprayed and ready to put on my car then spend one weekend putting it on so that way my motor wont be off the road long, i have a few vt pannels so far just keeping my eye open for a few more bits then i'll have a complete kit, managed to get both door pannels for £5.50 off ebay which was a result and only lived a 10min drive from me
28. YM03 Established Member Joined: May 2006 north east Posts: 1487 vtr mk2, posi blue

    #28 26th August 2006, 17:09

    what you still need steve ?
29. stevenet15 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2006 aylesbury buckinghamshire Posts: 4822 Astra Turbo, saxo vts, punto turbo

    #29 26th August 2006, 17:13

    well i have a friend who has two front arches whos gona bring them down when hes back for uni so jsut need a couple of rear arches, i will keep my eye out on ebay as i'm not in a rush and if ya wait eventually a bargin can be picked up plus i got to smooth off the door cards yet so that will keep me busy
30. stevenet15 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2006 aylesbury buckinghamshire Posts: 4822 Astra Turbo, saxo vts, punto turbo

    #30 26th August 2006, 17:17

    just took a couple of pics to show how much of the door panels need fiberglassing to give it a nice smooth look
    
    
    
    holding a flat bendable peice of plastic against it
    
31. ets2k9 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Hednesford, West Mids Posts: 6230 Seat Leon Cupra R

    #31 26th August 2006, 17:18

    The door moulding were a bargain I've just paid £35 delivered for some they were colour coded though so it worked out cheaper than a respray.
    
    It should look really good when its done.
    
    YM03 - Do you have anymore Posi smooth tailgates lying around becuase I'm more than happy to bolt one onto my car.
    
    I'm thinking off you and the space I could be saving you by having it fitted to my car
32. YM03 Established Member Joined: May 2006 north east Posts: 1487 vtr mk2, posi blue

    #32 26th August 2006, 17:47

    Quote:

    YM03 - Do you have anymore Posi smooth tailgates lying around becuase I'm more than happy to bolt one onto my car. I'm thinking off you and the space I could be saving you by having it fitted to my car

    lol thank you for the kind thoughts
    
    if I can get it welded up with in the next couple of wks, I'll give you a shout:thumbup:
    
    
    Steve, I have for def one rear arch, should have other one some where, bit of a horder
33. stevenet15 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2006 aylesbury buckinghamshire Posts: 4822 Astra Turbo, saxo vts, punto turbo

    #33 26th August 2006, 18:15

    if you have got a couple and want rid of them cheap then let us know chris
34. YM03 Established Member Joined: May 2006 north east Posts: 1487 vtr mk2, posi blue

    #34 26th August 2006, 22:23

    I've deffo got one I'll have a look see if I can find other
35. stevenet15 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2006 aylesbury buckinghamshire Posts: 4822 Astra Turbo, saxo vts, punto turbo

    #35 27th August 2006, 11:18

    update, tested the fibreglass as took 24hours to completely cure, gives such a strong hold when you expoy the plastic then fibreglass on top while the epoxy is still wet, i was pulling on it as hard as i could and didnt even budge so i tryed a flat head screw driver adn even that couldnt get it off to easy so this is the route i will be using
36. YM03 Established Member Joined: May 2006 north east Posts: 1487 vtr mk2, posi blue

    #36 27th August 2006, 12:01

    should try and do a sticky, for future ref, as no doubt there will be more people asking about fibre glassing
    
    take some pics whilst work in progres, stuff used, and the likes,
    
    probs best to start a new thread, and pm a mod
37. stevenet15 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2006 aylesbury buckinghamshire Posts: 4822 Astra Turbo, saxo vts, punto turbo

    #37 27th August 2006, 14:09

    yeah i got loads of pics on each stage of the process, i have just filled the vt sticker holes on the bumpstrip with the fibreglass and epoxy and now just have to wait 24hours for it to cure and then i'll do a light skim of filler over that, here are a few pics t okeep you entertained
    
    1) badge hole, sanded down inside and also made some slits in to give the expoy something to bond into
    
    
    
    
    2) epoxy applied with small paintbrush
    
    
    
    
    3) fibreglass applied on top of the expoy while the epoxy is still wet
    
    
38. stevenet15 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2006 aylesbury buckinghamshire Posts: 4822 Astra Turbo, saxo vts, punto turbo

    #38 28th August 2006, 15:19

    a little bit more progress to report on, applied some filler on top of the fibreglass and sanded back to the contors of the bumpstrip
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    i need to apply some more filler as the filler i appied before must have had a few little air bubbles in and resulted in a few little imperfections so i will put a light skim of filler over this filler to fill in the few little holes. then i will run down through a load of different sandpaper grades till i get a nice smooth finish
39. YM03 Established Member Joined: May 2006 north east Posts: 1487 vtr mk2, posi blue

    #39 28th August 2006, 18:54

    good work steve:thumbup: keep it up:
40. stevenet15 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2006 aylesbury buckinghamshire Posts: 4822 Astra Turbo, saxo vts, punto turbo

    #40 30th August 2006, 20:07

    nothing else to report on as of yet as i have had a busy week at work but i hope to continue the smoothign at the weekend
41. stevenet15 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2006 aylesbury buckinghamshire Posts: 4822 Astra Turbo, saxo vts, punto turbo

    #41 4th September 2006, 14:52

    another little update, primered over the filler there is a slight imperfection i need to sort on the right side but nothing majour
    
    
    
    
    
    now i'm waiting on more epoxy before i can do the bump strips as the epoxy i used is hard to source
42. Saxoladlesta Established Member Joined: Apr 2006 Leicester Posts: 1918 Fiesta ST

    #42 4th September 2006, 19:26

    OK im abit lost,I wanted to smooth my arches in like you have but i've got abit confused with all this Eproxy talk,Could one of you write it in simple talk so I could tell the bodyshop how its done?
    Thanks guys :thumbup: :thumbup:
43. Saxoladlesta Established Member Joined: Apr 2006 Leicester Posts: 1918 Fiesta ST

    #43 4th September 2006, 19:28

    Double post
44. stevenet15 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2006 aylesbury buckinghamshire Posts: 4822 Astra Turbo, saxo vts, punto turbo

    #44 4th September 2006, 21:32

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Saxoladlesta OK im abit lost,I wanted to smooth my arches in like you have but i've got abit confused with all this Eproxy talk,Could one of you write it in simple talk so I could tell the bodyshop how its done? Thanks guys :thumbup: :thumbup:

    
    right basicly to smooth stuff out you need to uses fibre glass as if you use just filler it will crack, so we use fibreglass to fill the main part and then apply a light skim of filler on top of the fibre glass. fibreglass will stick to metal fine but it wont bond to plastic so what you need to do is epoxy the plastic then while still wet appy the fibreglass on top this ensures a good bond between the plastic arch/panel and the fibreglass, if you simply bond fibre glass t plastic it will fall off
45. YM03 Established Member Joined: May 2006 north east Posts: 1487 vtr mk2, posi blue

    #45 4th September 2006, 22:15

    coming along nicely, see what you meen about the imperfection, I kept getting this problem, found I had to bring the filler just past the lip, and fine sand it, job done
46. Saxoladlesta Established Member Joined: Apr 2006 Leicester Posts: 1918 Fiesta ST

    #46 5th September 2006, 01:32

    Does that apply to the rubbing strips aswell steve?
47. YM03 Established Member Joined: May 2006 north east Posts: 1487 vtr mk2, posi blue

    #47 5th September 2006, 02:38

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Saxoladlesta Does that apply to the rubbing strips aswell steve?

    any part of the kit where you want fibre glass to bond to plastic, aply epoxy resin:thumbup:
48. D_G_SAXO Established Member Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 1491

    #48 6th September 2006, 15:13

    how much would u do it for ymo3??? if i send the panels to u and wuld u spray as well my car is posi blue??
49. Mysticp Scotland Joined: Jul 2005 Edinburgh Posts: 9556 Saxo 1.6i 16v VTS, 2 Classic Minis

    #49 6th September 2006, 15:48

    Just read through from the begining, cracking job steve and great tips, YM03 good advice too! Wish i had a car to give some of this stuff a go
50. l1ukeRS Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Oct 2005 Telford United Kingdom (England) Posts: 3962 Focus RS Saxo Vtr

    #50 6th September 2006, 16:42

    ive just read it all too, i like seeing DIY jobs i hate paying people to do stuff when i think i could do it myself.
    
    nice 1 ste
51. Andyt Established Member Joined: Dec 2003 Stirling United Kingdom (Scotland) Posts: 2268 16v powered furio.

    #51 6th September 2006, 18:32

    That looks like pretty good work, keep us updated with pics ect.
52. stevenet15 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2006 aylesbury buckinghamshire Posts: 4822 Astra Turbo, saxo vts, punto turbo

    #52 6th September 2006, 21:26

    thanks lads, just waiting on more epoxy as had to order it so will hopfully be here within the week then i can smooth out the bump strips
53. stevossaxo Established Member Joined: Mar 2005 Surrey United Kingdom (England) Posts: 2299 Citroen Saxo Furio

    #53 7th September 2006, 00:03

    looks good mate
54. stevenet15 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2006 aylesbury buckinghamshire Posts: 4822 Astra Turbo, saxo vts, punto turbo

    #54 13th September 2006, 19:42

    got the epoxy through today, very hard to get hold of in the uk which is strange as its made by 3M and retails at $27 each but i managed to get hold of some through the place i got it before and they are able to offer it at £3 a packet :thumbup: if you want some his is putting some on ebay http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/3M-2216-B-A-Sc...QQcmdZViewItem its made by 3M and is called scotch weld 2216 and it is so good that i have ordered a load so i can stock up for other projects. anyway should hopefully see some more progress over the next few days smoothing out the bump strips
    
    
55. James Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Hull Posts: 11909 Beeeemer

    #55 13th September 2006, 19:51

    Will be intresting to see the results of this,
56. Saxoladlesta Established Member Joined: Apr 2006 Leicester Posts: 1918 Fiesta ST

    #56 14th September 2006, 00:07

    Well I want to get my arches/rubbing strips like this.
    Will be showing the bodyshop shortly just to see a price on fully smoothing
57. stevenet15 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2006 aylesbury buckinghamshire Posts: 4822 Astra Turbo, saxo vts, punto turbo

    #57 14th September 2006, 01:24

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Saxoladlesta Well I want to get my arches/rubbing strips like this. Will be showing the bodyshop shortly just to see a price on fully smoothing

    my rubbing strips are going to be jsut like that mate, but i'm not blending the arches into the body
58. Saxoladlesta Established Member Joined: Apr 2006 Leicester Posts: 1918 Fiesta ST

    #58 24th September 2006, 03:51

    Any updates on this?Keen to see how the rubbing strips turn out
59. stevenet15 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2006 aylesbury buckinghamshire Posts: 4822 Astra Turbo, saxo vts, punto turbo

    #59 24th September 2006, 13:21

    i havent had any time to do any more as i been so busy the last few weeks but i will definatly be doing some more this week hopefully, i will get pics soon as i can
60. Saxoladlesta Established Member Joined: Apr 2006 Leicester Posts: 1918 Fiesta ST

    #60 24th September 2006, 14:55

    Cheers mate I reckon its going to look mad
61. Saxoladlesta Established Member Joined: Apr 2006 Leicester Posts: 1918 Fiesta ST

    #61 24th September 2006, 15:07

    Would the eproxy get the rear bumper looking like this?Obviously I know its got the dimma bonded on at the bottom but the top half of the bumper looks like the standard one?
    
    
    
62. stevenet15 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2006 aylesbury buckinghamshire Posts: 4822 Astra Turbo, saxo vts, punto turbo

    #62 24th September 2006, 15:14

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Saxoladlesta Would the eproxy get the rear bumper looking like this?Obviously I know its got the dimma bonded on at the bottom but the top half of the bumper looks like the standard one?

    
    
    all the epoxy does is bonds the fibreglass to the plastic as fibreglass dont stick to plastics, the fibreglass will then when styled correctly smooth out the rear bumper strips and you would then use a small layer of filler on top of the fibreglass to make it nice and smooth, dont use just epoxy to fill the gap.
63. Saxoladlesta Established Member Joined: Apr 2006 Leicester Posts: 1918 Fiesta ST

    #63 24th September 2006, 15:23

    Cheers mate
64. Jay_VTR Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2006 Devizes, Wiltshire Posts: 750 Black VT. Slag. Black S1 Rallye. Clio 172 Cup.

    #64 24th September 2006, 16:01

    looking good so far mate :Y;
    cant wait to see the end results