T1R or Rainsport 2

  1. Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2012 123 happy land, worcestershire/surrey Posts: 798 saxo vtr 2002
    #1
    BIG is among the many who've asked this but i want to makes a poll to help people with quick answers as well as details for those who're willing to read and absorb some of th knowledge that i hope this thread will provide

    now, T1R or RS2?both a directional patterned tyres which look similar. some places charge more for one or th other but overall, similar in price

    what i've personally gathered is that T1Rs wear faster then RS2 and RS2 are better when there's standing water.

    from what i can see, at any given cross section(inside to outside wall), RS2 has more thread in contact with ground. layman's terms, should grip better and last longer as there's more rubber. please correct me if im wrong

    what do we think?
  2. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card
    #2
    T1R is fucking awfull, there was a stage on this forum a few years ago everyone worshipped the T1R. Its nothing special in the dry, shit in the wet, doesnt last long either. For the same price you can get Rain Sport 2s, which last longer, very good in the wet, very good in the dry.

    http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Toyo/T1R.htm

    vs

    http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Un...ainsport-2.htm

    Another tyre to consider is the Toyo CF1, similar price, not as good looking if that really matters to you. Doesnt last as long as the rain sport and not as good in the wet as the rainsport, but very good in the dry. Its better than the T1R anyway.
  3. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 31279 Citroen Saxo VTS, S60 D5
    #3
    RS2's. As Moch said.
  4. Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2012 123 happy land, worcestershire/surrey Posts: 798 saxo vtr 2002
    #4
    i use that site as well but tbh, they need to do better filtering options as i cba to troll through only th hatchback reviews in th relevant size. otherwise, that's a good site. can we vote please? helps passers by get a quick peak at your opinions. cheers
  5. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Nov 2010 Kent Posts: 8439 Gen 7 Celica 190.
    #5
    Why vote?

    Its down to choice of the buyer not as if its not been ask 8,000000 times.
  6. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card
    #6
    http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=274394
  7. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2008 Lancs Posts: 4124 JP4S'd R.
    #7
    I went from CF1's to T1R's and noticed no difference.

    My T1R's are great in the wet + dry + snow! For £33 each, can't complain.
  8. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2011 Esholt - West Yorkshire Posts: 3113 Citroen Saxo VTR 2002
    #8
    Currently running T1R's, safe to say I won't be doing so again!
    Had RS2's for a small time last year, much better!
    My vote goes to RS2's!
  9. Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2012 123 happy land, worcestershire/surrey Posts: 798 saxo vtr 2002
    #9
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Cam View Post
    Why vote?

    Its down to choice of the buyer not as if its not been ask 8,000000 times.
    maybe not literally that many times but i've seen the comparison multiple times and never got a quick answer ; there are lots of mixed reviews for T1Rs but relatively consistent positive comments for RS2

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by saxova View Post
    I went from CF1's to T1R's and noticed no difference.

    My T1R's are great in the wet + dry + snow! For £33 each, can't complain.
    33?! where are you getting them and what size?!
  10. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo
    #10
    im buying my rs2's now, £33.25 each! that is in 195/50/15 though, the 45 profiles are £49.40!! thats an extra £65 for a set of 4, so im going for the 50's!

    http://camskill.co.uk/m53b0s99p97597..._Noise%3A_71dB
  11. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2010 Chesterfield/Nottingham Posts: 7147 dead vts. twisted 106 gti. '03' vtrrrr
    #11
    I'v never used rs2 so cant comment on them. Last year i used t1r's and found they were very good in dry, wet and snow, only downside to them was that they don't last aslong as others
  12. Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2012 123 happy land, worcestershire/surrey Posts: 798 saxo vtr 2002
    #12
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jeffchiz View Post
    im buying my rs2's now, £33.25 each! that is in 195/50/15 though, the 45 profiles are £49.40!! thats an extra £65 for a set of 4, so im going for the 50's!

    http://camskill.co.uk/m53b0s99p97597..._Noise%3A_71dB
    jesus that's a huge price dip for 5% sidewall increase! it says over 3% diff from OE, do you feel th effects on fuel eco?
  13. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo
    #13
    ive only just ordered them after i wrote that message, so cant comment yet

    but yea, my car is stripped in the back, no passengers etc, being fitted to a set of steels, want to use it as a track car so im not bothered about the higher profile, most saxos/106's use 50 profiles for track wheels as they are so much cheaper and a wider choice
  14. Regular Poster Joined: Dec 2012 coningsby,lincs Posts: 381 2000 saxo vts
    #14
    bought my t1r's in early december had no problems in snow or rain getting a fair bit of hard driving now the weather is getting better done nearly 6k with them and there still like new finding them quite good tbh
  15. Established Member Joined: Mar 2011 Torbay Posts: 1285 Mauritius Vts, 206 Gti 180
    #15
    Rainsport 2's all day long. One of my favourite tyres. T1R's were shocking in my opinion, average in the dry, terrible in the wet and wore stupidly quick on the edges. I dont get the hype around them personally but tyres are a very personal thing, one persons opinion will naturally be completely different to anothers.
  16. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2012 Perth Posts: 3665 Peugeot 106 1.1 Turbo Peugeot 106 1.5D Turbo Peuge
    #16
    I fitted tyres which were 4% larger and they went through my front wheel arch liner

    185/60/14 is 4% larger than 195/45/15

    my 14's are Uniroyal RainExpert. Great in the rain, snow and mud. crap on corners, but that's because of the profile I chose

    My 15's are T1R, grip in anything other than dry conditions is terrible. especially in a straight line, or even accelerating gently on a corner. I had Marangoni on the front and they were a tad better for grip if it was damp or dry.

    I don't agree with T1R's wearing that fast. you're all a bunch of hoons my car has had the same set on it almost 2 years. O-o
  17. Regular Poster Joined: Dec 2012 coningsby,lincs Posts: 381 2000 saxo vts
    #17
    I don't agree with T1R's wearing that fast. you're all a bunch of hoons my car has had the same set on it almost 2 years. O-o[/QUOTE]

    i agree with the wear if your harsh round the bends any tyre will wear fast but if your smooth in and out of the twistys they should last a good while imo
  18. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 9100 Amazon green VTR 16v, Inferno RS clio 182
    #18
    I dont think the T1Rs are too bad, but it does depends on what tyres you've used previously (try a 160bhp metro on camac auriga plastic tyres I dare you!). T1Rs dont last long though, I fitted a set and they are 3/4s worn in 6000 miles
  19. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2006 Ramsey st marys, peterborough Posts: 8288 Saxo's, Corsa (Daily)
    #19
    Rainsports 2 over t1r any day. Rainsports Are better dry or wet.
  20. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Nov 2009 Sawtry Posts: 3456 Saxo VTS Saxo VTR
    #20
    Got rainsport 2's here on my cyclones, lovely tyres, hold my VTS well in wet and dry
  21. Established Member Joined: Feb 2011 Portsmouth, Hampshire Posts: 1631 Clio 172 Flamer
    #21
    I have T1Rs, decent tyres imo. I Paid £98 fitted for 2 which isn't bad either I reckon. I'll give rainsports a try though when I next buy tyres.
  22. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 9100 Amazon green VTR 16v, Inferno RS clio 182
    #22
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Davyy View Post
    I have T1Rs, decent tyres imo. I Paid £98 fitted for 2 which isn't bad either I reckon. I'll give rainsports a try though when I next buy tyres.
    on 16s or 15s?
  23. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2010 South Wales Posts: 3078 ZX 16v, 205 GTI, 309 Goodwood, 405 MI16.
    #23
    PE2 / PS3 ftw.
  24. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo
    #24
    glad i bought my rainsports now

    however i asked for a quote from a tire place in my town and they said "what do you want uniroyals for they are shocking" lol was probably just generalising the uniroyals hes 'tested', looked like more of a pen pusher than a hardcore trackday enthusiast so i didnt take his comments too seriously lol

    plus ive had first hand experience with them and was amazed
  25. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card
    #25
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by welshpug View Post
    PE2 / PS3 ftw.
    Very good tyre, but not in the same price range as these mentioned. So cant be compared.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jeffchiz View Post
    glad i bought my rainsports now

    however i asked for a quote from a tire place in my town and they said "what do you want uniroyals for they are shocking" lol was probably just generalising the uniroyals hes 'tested', looked like more of a pen pusher than a hardcore trackday enthusiast so i didnt take his comments too seriously lol

    plus ive had first hand experience with them and was amazed
    haha I had the same reaction from one place too "why do you want Uniroyals?" its not that often you get people specifically ask for that tyre. Very good tyre though.

    They used to have their own race series too, not sure if it still exists though.
  26. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2002 United Kingdom Posts: 8390
    #26
    Has anyone compared Goodyear Eagle GSD3s to Rainsports?
  27. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card
    #27
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Gabbastard View Post
    Has anyone compared Goodyear Eagle GSD3s to Rainsports?
    Yes, they both have basically the same characteristics. I would say the GSD3s are better in the dry though.

    The GSD3 wear faster than the Rainsport2s.

    The price difference makes the Rainsport2s the better choice.

    Didnt think you can get GSD3s any more though?

    I ran a set of GSD3 and RainSport 2s back to back a few years ago.
  28. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2002 United Kingdom Posts: 8390
    #28
    Quite a few sites listing the goodyears, i actually found them easier to get than rainsports.

    Just about to buy some new tyres and the two seemed to have similar characteristics, albeit the Goodyears have a really low dB rating
  29. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2010 South Wales Posts: 3078 ZX 16v, 205 GTI, 309 Goodwood, 405 MI16.
    #29
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Mochachino View Post
    Very good tyre, but not in the same price range as these mentioned. So cant be compared.
    they last two and a half times longer than the toyo at the very least, also grip much harder wet and dry, and only cost £15 more.
  30. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card
    #30
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by welshpug View Post
    they last two and a half times longer than the toyo at the very least, also grip much harder wet and dry, and only cost £15 more.
    £15? I though PS and PE were over £100 or near enough £100 a tyre at least where as T1R is £45 lol
  31. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo
    #31
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Mochachino View Post
    £15? I though PS and PE were over £100 or near enough £100 a tyre at least where as T1R is £45 lol
    with shipping they seem to be around the £86-108 mark
  32. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card
    #32
    £45 for T1rR
    £51 For Rainsport 2s
    £82 for PE

    All in 195 45 15
  33. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo
    #33
    just paid £33.25 each for my rs2's such a difference in price when you have a 50 profile! iirc was £65 cheaper to have the 50's when i bought 4
  34. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card
    #34
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jeffchiz View Post
    just paid £33.25 each for my rs2's such a difference in price when you have a 50 profile! iirc was £65 cheaper to have the 50's when i bought 4
    More than double the £15 difference he mentioned futher up though! Different price range completley.
  35. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2002 United Kingdom Posts: 8390
    #35
    I asked in at costco, who normally have good prices on tyres, got quoted 103 quid iirc for Michelins.

    Ooft.
  36. Established Member Joined: Feb 2011 Portsmouth, Hampshire Posts: 1631 Clio 172 Flamer
    #36
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Gandi699 View Post
    on 16s or 15s?
    16s
  37. Saxperience Addict Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 11714 A6 Le Mans tuned/A3 TFSI tuned
    #37
    I don't like these 2. Don't get me wrong, loads of grip etc but the T1r doesn't last (too soft) and completely falls apart, and I find the rainsports road noisy + too much rolling resistance.


    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MartinObviously View Post

    I don't agree with T1R's wearing that fast. you're all a bunch of hoons my car has had the same set on it almost 2 years. O-o
    Time is irrelevant, how many miles did you get out of them?
  38. Saxperience Addict Joined: Sep 2008 Suffolk Posts: 11590 ITB'd Saxo VTS & Mazda 6 MPS
    #38
    I found RS2s to be awful. They were rated highly on here before, fitted them on my first VTS and still found it slippy in a few places.

    Now have the Alfa and they came on each corner. Fine in the dry but still don't get the confidence in the wet.
  39. Established Member Joined: Apr 2008 west Mids Posts: 1775 Mk1 White VTS
    #39
    Depends what you were slipping on. When the rain mixes with oil on the road you're gonna slip on any tyre I would have thought? Only once have i wheel span in the rain on my rain sport 2
  40. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2010 South Wales Posts: 3078 ZX 16v, 205 GTI, 309 Goodwood, 405 MI16.
    #40
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Manu View Post
    Time is irrelevant, how many miles did you get out of them?

    quite right, 12k miles on my Michelins, still a good 6mm left.
  41. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2012 Perth Posts: 3665 Peugeot 106 1.1 Turbo Peugeot 106 1.5D Turbo Peuge
    #41
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Manu View Post
    I don't like these 2. Don't get me wrong, loads of grip etc but the T1r doesn't last (too soft) and completely falls apart, and I find the rainsports road noisy + too much rolling resistance.




    Time is irrelevant, how many miles did you get out of them?
    Well the previous owner did at least 10,000 on them, and I've done 4000 on them so far.

    I'll go out and check the tread depth. it's not at the indicators though.


    Time is relevant, if you fit tyres which have had a long shelf life before being fitted they can harden up without cracking which lets them last longer but less grip O_o like plastic RC wheels
  42. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo
    #42
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Chr15 View Post
    I found RS2s to be awful. They were rated highly on here before, fitted them on my first VTS and still found it slippy in a few places.

    Now have the Alfa and they came on each corner. Fine in the dry but still don't get the confidence in the wet.
    anything is gonna be better than the condoms i had before haha

    in the wet even while moving my car would just light the wheels up while accelerating hard coming on the dual carriage ways etc even with my bodies my car was hardly an animal to spin the wheels up while im already moving lol coming out of busy junctions was a night mare in the wet just didnt move anywhere lol i cant wait to get these tires on, first time in my driving career that ive actually cared what tires i have one as i used to be naive and not even think about tires

    my first experience with r2's was in tom5190's car, iirc he held the revs at around 3k, let the clutch go and the car just pulled away no slipping at all in heavy rain, i was amazed and wanted them ever since
  43. Saxperience Addict Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 11714 A6 Le Mans tuned/A3 TFSI tuned
    #43
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MartinObviously View Post
    Well the previous owner did at least 10,000 on them, and I've done 4000 on them so far.

    I'll go out and check the tread depth. it's not at the indicators though.


    Time is relevant, if you fit tyres which have had a long shelf life before being fitted they can harden up without cracking which lets them last longer but less grip O_o like plastic RC wheels
    Indeed they can crack overtime though we're talking quite a few years. I buy from places that don't have any shelves (i.e. avoid twitfit). 14.000 is about average to be honest, pales a bit when I can squeeze 40.000 out of michelins.

    Of course that's without wheelspinning or trashing around, I talked to someone (vectra gsi) who would burn a pair of premiums every 2-3.000
  44. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2012 Perth Posts: 3665 Peugeot 106 1.1 Turbo Peugeot 106 1.5D Turbo Peuge
    #44
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Manu View Post
    Indeed they can crack overtime though we're talking quite a few years. I buy from places that don't have any shelves (i.e. avoid twitfit). 14.000 is about average to be honest, pales a bit when I can squeeze 40.000 out of michelins.

    Of course that's without wheelspinning or trashing around, I talked to someone (vectra gsi) who would burn a pair of premiums every 2-3.000
    I've just bought some dunlops, not cracked. shelved since 1986.

    Got them cheap.