What does a satchshift do?

1. LSOfreak Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2008 west london Posts: 13810

   #1 18th April 2013, 12:46

   Just wondering.. what benefits do they have/ why do people have them?
   
   they just look like a really big gear stick lol do they still go into gear the standard way?
   
   eg.
   1 3 5
   2 4 R
2. Yates Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Pompey/Darlo Posts: 31546 MK1 - 1.1 Animal

   #2 18th April 2013, 12:49

   Guessing better for changing gear on track as higher, shorter shift maybe? Never looked into them
3. user_34323 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2009 ringwood Posts: 6305 suzuki swift 1.2 sz3

   #3 18th April 2013, 12:55

   Replaces the whole gearshift mechanism, brings the gearstick close to the wheel, engages in gears exactly the same way.
4. LSOfreak Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2008 west london Posts: 13810

   #4 18th April 2013, 13:01

   so are they similar to a quickshift? but just a longer stick which brings it close to the wheel?
5. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

   #5 18th April 2013, 13:09

   Basically its a quickshift on a whole new level
   Much tighter engagement and adjustable throw ect
6. K567 Frequent Poster Joined: Apr 2012 Bradford/Leeds Posts: 775 03 R53 Mini Cooper S with a little extra going on

   #6 18th April 2013, 13:21

   Easy answer, if your putting your car on the track they are well worth it, faster and more precise shifts
   If your not I'd say they are still great but maybe not so much in the worth it zone
   
   Personally I love mine.

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7. welshpug Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2010 South Wales Posts: 3078 ZX 16v, 205 GTI, 309 Goodwood, 405 MI16.

   #7 18th April 2013, 18:15

   its not just for track, I have one for a rally car.
8. Chief L-plater Joined: Jan 2012 Derby Posts: 40 Renaultsport Clio 197 RB Citroen Saxo VTR Posi 8v

   #8 18th April 2013, 18:37

   I'd love to have a go with one. It can only improve the woolley change on the MA box!
9. LSOfreak Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2008 west london Posts: 13810

   #9 18th April 2013, 19:44

   interesting...
   
   yeah i'd like to have a go in one too. Any offers lol?
10. user_57064 Established Member Joined: Jan 2012 south essex!! Posts: 2442 posi blue vtrs race car

    #10 19th April 2013, 07:10

    If anyone lives near canvey you can have a try of mine... If youve got the money to get one, go for it, its one of the best things i did...
11. user_4681 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2004 Grimsby United Kingdom (England) Posts: 5489 SUPERCHARGED saxo vts

    #11 19th April 2013, 08:07

    I dont feel the need
12. Marv_106 Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2007 Settle, N. Yorks Posts: 154 '99 Cherry 106 GTi (In pieces) - '98 Cherry 106 GT

    #12 19th April 2013, 08:21

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by sexy_gt I dont feel the need

    If you are into driving on track them you really should.
    
    Absolutely love mine.
13. LSOfreak Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2008 west london Posts: 13810

    #13 19th April 2013, 11:48

    so they dont use the standard gear linkages at all?
    
    do you need to cut a hole in the bulkhead for them?
14. user_34323 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2009 ringwood Posts: 6305 suzuki swift 1.2 sz3

    #14 19th April 2013, 12:11

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by LSOfreak so they dont use the standard gear linkages at all? do you need to cut a hole in the bulkhead for them?

    You need to make 2 holes, but no it completely changes the standard mechanism.
15. GTuff Established Member Joined: Apr 2007 Alderley Edge,Cheshire Posts: 1048 1.6 VT?

    #15 19th April 2013, 15:14

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by LSOfreak so they dont use the standard gear linkages at all? do you need to cut a hole in the bulkhead for them?

    im pretty sure you could get a decent quickshift and group n gear linkages and you would get a decent precise gear throw
    
    i bought a milled aluminium gmc one looking at gettin constella gear linkages
16. LSOfreak Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2008 west london Posts: 13810

    #16 19th April 2013, 17:55

    im not even intersted in changing anything with my car tbh i was just curious lol
17. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

    #17 20th April 2013, 21:17

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by GTuff im pretty sure you could get a decent quickshift and group n gear linkages and you would get a decent precise gear throw i bought a milled aluminium gmc one looking at gettin constella gear linkages

    decent yes, but not anywhere near to the quality of the satchshift
18. GTuff Established Member Joined: Apr 2007 Alderley Edge,Cheshire Posts: 1048 1.6 VT?

    #18 20th April 2013, 21:50

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by KamRacing decent yes, but not anywhere near to the quality of the satchshift

    I imagine it to be like a gate throw like you see on old school ferraris
19. e8_pqck Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Aug 2010 Midlands Posts: 2530 AX 16v Turbo

    #19 20th April 2013, 23:15

    Epicness:
    
    
    
    
20. john-paul Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2010 hetton/sunderland Posts: 662 250 BHP jp4 vts

    #20 20th April 2013, 23:21

    Apart from the turbo this is the best bit of kit I've fitted to my car
21. GTuff Established Member Joined: Apr 2007 Alderley Edge,Cheshire Posts: 1048 1.6 VT?

    #21 20th April 2013, 23:33

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by e8_pqck Epicness:

    It does look like serious shit!
22. welshpug Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2010 South Wales Posts: 3078 ZX 16v, 205 GTI, 309 Goodwood, 405 MI16.

    #22 20th April 2013, 23:54

    whoah, wtf is going on with that erm, "cage"! ?!
23. GTuff Established Member Joined: Apr 2007 Alderley Edge,Cheshire Posts: 1048 1.6 VT?

    #23 20th April 2013, 23:56

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by welshpug whoah, wtf is going on with that erm, "cage"! ?!

    I'm thinking easy access lol
24. e8_pqck Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Aug 2010 Midlands Posts: 2530 AX 16v Turbo

    #24 21st April 2013, 00:16

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by welshpug whoah, wtf is going on with that erm, "cage"! ?!

    What's up with it?
25. GTuff Established Member Joined: Apr 2007 Alderley Edge,Cheshire Posts: 1048 1.6 VT?

    #25 22nd April 2013, 16:17

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by e8_pqck What's up with it?

    i think hes refering to the door braces possibly?
26. dan1788 Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2011 Stockport, manchester. Posts: 216 03 106 1.1 independence x 2 02 saxo vtr

    #26 22nd April 2013, 23:22

    You u need to remove all the centre console and everything to use one of these?
27. user_39461 Super Moderator Joined: Nov 2009 Cambridge(ish), UK. Posts: 10581 BMW 5x M50d.

    #27 23rd April 2013, 09:45

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dan1788 You u need to remove all the centre console and everything to use one of these?

    No. You may need to notch both the centre console and the bottom of the dash but if you're careful then you can do it and it remains invisible
28. dan1788 Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2011 Stockport, manchester. Posts: 216 03 106 1.1 independence x 2 02 saxo vtr

    #28 23rd April 2013, 22:28

    Thanks Ross, my linkages are off my vtr ATM as the wear gone, so by the time I have bought all brand new rose jointed linkages and everything else, I'm gonna be spending a bit, I would rather spend a bit more on one of these, I will be using it as a daily though, I don't do that many miles, but is it really that unsuitable and only for track cars? These do look awesome though
29. camble Infrequent Poster Joined: Oct 2012 Widnes, Cheshire Posts: 175 VTR Track Car

    #29 24th April 2013, 00:14

    Out of interest, how do these keep their value when coming to sell second hand?
30. Tom5190 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2007 Someones Bumhole Posts: 5721 Mk2 16v Desire

    #30 24th April 2013, 00:43

    They are a good piece of kit ive used them a few times. Its alot to fit them but like mentioned, if you can warrent it, then get one.
31. user_39461 Super Moderator Joined: Nov 2009 Cambridge(ish), UK. Posts: 10581 BMW 5x M50d.

    #31 24th April 2013, 09:01

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dan1788 Thanks Ross, my linkages are off my vtr ATM as the wear gone, so by the time I have bought all brand new rose jointed linkages and everything else, I'm gonna be spending a bit, I would rather spend a bit more on one of these, I will be using it as a daily though, I don't do that many miles, but is it really that unsuitable and only for track cars? These do look awesome though

    Not at all - they're totally and absolutely fine on the road. In fact, I'd argue that on a road car doing "average miles" you'll be rewarded more than on a track car as it'll see much more use Do it
    
    

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by camble Out of interest, how do these keep their value when coming to sell second hand?

    They don't come up often second hand (in fact, I think I've only seen one ever second hand and that was never used) which probably says something about how well loved they are

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32. The_Notorious_C_A_T Established Member Joined: May 2007 Near Inverurie (kind of...) Posts: 2303 Twingo Silverstone

    #32 24th April 2013, 09:38

    Also if anyone is looking for one I'm running a group buy for the kits on here.
    
    Nice sly bit of advertisement ;-)
33. camble Infrequent Poster Joined: Oct 2012 Widnes, Cheshire Posts: 175 VTR Track Car

    #33 24th April 2013, 12:20

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by The_Notorious_C_A_T Also if anyone is looking for one I'm running a group buy for the kits on here. Nice sly bit of advertisement ;-)

    That's why I'm interested to see how they sell second hand.
    I've got other stuff to sort on the car as a priority at the mo, but its very tempting! So I'm thinking if I buy one but need the money for something else I can sell it on.
34. user_57064 Established Member Joined: Jan 2012 south essex!! Posts: 2442 posi blue vtrs race car

    #34 24th April 2013, 14:11

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ross Not at all - they're totally and absolutely fine on the road. In fact, I'd argue that on a road car doing "average miles" you'll be rewarded more than on a track car as it'll see much more use Do it They don't come up often second hand (in fact, I think I've only seen one ever second hand and that was never used) which probably says something about how well loved they are

    the 2nd hand never used one i have it werent cheap but sooo worth it!! actually it was you ross that made me buy it off your recomendation....
    
    edit: http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...=424462&page=9
    
    thats my build thread and shows the setup off the car and on the next page it setup in the car... its close to the exhaust in that picture but the exhaust needed a little jiggle anyway and it brought it further away after jiggling...
35. user_39461 Super Moderator Joined: Nov 2009 Cambridge(ish), UK. Posts: 10581 BMW 5x M50d.

    #35 24th April 2013, 14:38

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by greyjasper51 the 2nd hand never used one i have it werent cheap but sooo worth it!! actually it was you ross that made me buy it off your recomendation.... edit: http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...=424462&page=9 thats my build thread and shows the setup off the car and on the next page it setup in the car... its close to the exhaust in that picture but the exhaust needed a little jiggle anyway and it brought it further away after jiggling...

    haha I need commission
36. dan1788 Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2011 Stockport, manchester. Posts: 216 03 106 1.1 independence x 2 02 saxo vtr

    #36 24th April 2013, 18:40

    [QUOTE=Ross;6296751]Not at all - they're totally and absolutely fine on the road. In fact, I'd argue that on a road car doing "average miles" you'll be rewarded more than on a track car as it'll see much more use Do it
    
    
    
    Cheers mate I will do, can't wait till she's on the road, need to start my progress blog up, took all the pics along the way, just gotta actually put it In a thread.
37. e8_pqck Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Aug 2010 Midlands Posts: 2530 AX 16v Turbo

    #37 25th April 2013, 21:10

    Seen a fair few second hand. i bought mine second hand, unused like a lot of them are.
    
    I paid 250 second hand which is about the going rate. So a pretty good resale tbf.
    
    If your not interested in getting one now, just wait! get one when all the "need to" bits are bought. i just waited until a second hand one came up!
38. dan1788 Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2011 Stockport, manchester. Posts: 216 03 106 1.1 independence x 2 02 saxo vtr

    #38 25th April 2013, 22:02

    I am defiantly getting on now, got myself on the group buy, there 250 brand new on that so cant moan, do look fucking awesome these things
39. D4MJT Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2009 Morpeth Posts: 2539 BMW 116d Regional Toner Sales Edition

    #39 29th April 2013, 16:32

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by GTuff im pretty sure you could get a decent quickshift and group n gear linkages and you would get a decent precise gear throw i bought a milled aluminium gmc one looking at gettin constella gear linkages

    If you don't have the £250 for a Satchshift, then Constella or Kam Linkages, along with an OBP quickshift lever, and replacement selection arm and nylon ball and bush arm that bolts to the firewall from Citroen will transform your worn gear change feel.
    
    I doubt it's Satchshift level, but mine really is so much more precise and "slot in" than it's ever been. £100 ish, I'll still have a satchshift when I can justify one!
40. user_54826 Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2011 Patras Greece Posts: 352 Ford Focus 2.5 ST Citroen Saxo Vts 16v race car

    #40 29th April 2013, 21:21

    Does anyone know if the satchshift kit has some kind of homologation?
    I talked to a race inspector today and he said if it is not homologated it cannot be used for racing on Greece...
41. user_57064 Established Member Joined: Jan 2012 south essex!! Posts: 2442 posi blue vtrs race car

    #41 29th April 2013, 21:23

    eh?
    
    are the saxo's even homologated... motorsport homolognation im talking.... the s1600 rally car was but i dont think the road car is motorsport homolognated...

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42. user_54826 Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2011 Patras Greece Posts: 352 Ford Focus 2.5 ST Citroen Saxo Vts 16v race car

    #42 29th April 2013, 21:43

    Group N2 or group A6 for 1,6 lt saxos single manifold depending on modifications and kit car - s1600 for set up with Throttle bodies , sequential gearboxes etc
    These categories are for hillclimb and tarmac rallys for sure. Track racing is a bit more open to modification i think

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43. jpsaxo Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2005 Sydney Posts: 8525 Mango Westcoast

    #43 30th April 2013, 14:33

    just to add my 2p...
    
    I also love my satshift, great bit of kit

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44. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

    #44 30th April 2013, 14:41

    Its certainly not homologated. Only expensive official Group N and Group A manufacturer parts are.

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45. Bobo0907 Frequent Poster Joined: May 2010 North East Scotland Posts: 686 Inferno 182, S2 Indigo Rallye

    #45 30th April 2013, 18:43

    Im guessing a satchshift is some thing you need to try to see if you like it before buying?
    
    Im debating one right now.
46. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #46 30th April 2013, 18:52

    Next on my list..
    
    Stew I'd really recommend one to you after having a play with one, even if its just for the fact you barely have to move to shift and can get both hands straight back on the wheel to power on with much better control
47. craigbarley Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2013 staffordshire Posts: 133 saxo vts (2000 single plug&mk2) and a civic type r

    #47 2nd May 2013, 12:56

    2 of my mates have a satshift and they are the best gear change ever, feel great, close to the wheel to snatch a shift, and look the doggs in ur car. But more track use of course, and they make u wanna hammer it everywhere
48. LSOfreak Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2008 west london Posts: 13810

    #48 2nd May 2013, 19:46

    what's the shaft that goes under the dash? does it go through the bulk head or something?
49. mattrallye Regular Poster Joined: Jun 2012 Worcester Posts: 270 106 Rallye 1360 8v rally car Volvo V50

    #49 2nd May 2013, 21:41

    I've had both group N linkages / quickshift and the Satchshift and they are Worlds apart in my opinion. The build quality is superb too.
50. user_34323 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2009 ringwood Posts: 6305 suzuki swift 1.2 sz3

    #50 2nd May 2013, 23:10

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by LSOfreak what's the shaft that goes under the dash? does it go through the bulk head or something?

    Yes, through one of two holes that have to be cut,
51. craigbarley Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2013 staffordshire Posts: 133 saxo vts (2000 single plug&mk2) and a civic type r

    #51 3rd May 2013, 00:19

    Then remove ur inlet to get to the shaft lol, alot easier if the engines out lol
52. Rallynavigator L-plater Joined: Jun 2013 Birmingham UK Posts: 99 2003 Saxo VTR 1998 Saxo VTS

    #52 25th June 2013, 00:08

    Is there a thread as how to fit this product
53. welshpug Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2010 South Wales Posts: 3078 ZX 16v, 205 GTI, 309 Goodwood, 405 MI16.

    #53 25th June 2013, 08:07

    There are instructions on the kam racing website.