Damn spacers!

1. Dulli Infrequent Poster Joined: Mar 2012 Denmark Posts: 151 Citroen Saxo 2001 / 1.6 8v / Two coloured

   #1 22nd April 2013, 16:48

   Hey guys.
   
   So, summertime is coming and that means i got my rims back on.
   
   But as always, I have a huge problem fitting my spacers 100%.
   
   I got 10mm on front
   
   and 20mm on rear.
   
   Problems is that no matter how much i try to clean the spacers, car hub and rims, my car is always shaking like a m*therfucker, when running faster than 70kph. Starts around 70-80, and stops around 90, and starts around 110 again.
   
   Do you guys have any tricks to fit spacers 100% perfect.
   
   My rims are btw weighted correctly.
   
   Greetings.
2. user_7076 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2005 Milton Keynes Posts: 8504 Audi A1 S-Line, Mazda MX5 Kuro, Renault Clio 1.2,

   #2 22nd April 2013, 16:52

   How many turns do you get with your lugs? If you're not getting over 5 then IIRC you'll be needing extended lugs.
3. Dulli Infrequent Poster Joined: Mar 2012 Denmark Posts: 151 Citroen Saxo 2001 / 1.6 8v / Two coloured

   #3 22nd April 2013, 16:58

   Sorry, my english isnt the best, but are lugs = bolts?
   
   If so, I get more than 5.
   
   The bolts infront are longer than standard bolts, and the rear spacers are bolted to the car hub, so longer bolts are not needed.
4. user_46658 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2010 Little Mill, South Wales Posts: 7547 Mondeo ST TDCI Saxo VTS

   #4 22nd April 2013, 17:00

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Dulli Sorry, my english isnt the best, but are lugs = bolts?

   Yes....
5. user_61020 Established Member Joined: Aug 2012 Posts: 2009 Saxò VTS 16v

   #5 22nd April 2013, 17:02

   May be a stupid question but,do you have the hubcentric ones?
6. Dulli Infrequent Poster Joined: Mar 2012 Denmark Posts: 151 Citroen Saxo 2001 / 1.6 8v / Two coloured

   #6 22nd April 2013, 17:04

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by VeiRoN May be a stupid question but,do you have the hubcentric ones?

   Yes, I didnt mention that, sorry.
   
   My rear spacers are the hubcentric ones. Not those in front.
7. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

   #7 22nd April 2013, 18:26

   Question
   Have you tried the wheels without the spacersmight be a a bent rim not the spacers
8. axsaxoman Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2003 Scotland Posts: 3380

   #8 22nd April 2013, 19:50

   are they GOOD fitting concentric type spacers --EG there are locating spigots on themto make them a tight fit on the hub + the wheel to the spacers
   If not that will be the reason for the wobble
9. Dulli Infrequent Poster Joined: Mar 2012 Denmark Posts: 151 Citroen Saxo 2001 / 1.6 8v / Two coloured

   #9 22nd April 2013, 20:48

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by AlexB Question Have you tried the wheels without the spacersmight be a a bent rim not the spacers

   Not possible with these rims. They are Borbet a with 9j wide rear. Front is possible, but havent tryed without spacers though. But they have been perfectly balanced at a mechanic.
   
   Also, my previous rims, which was all new, i used the same spacers, and had the same problem as now :/
   
   

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by axsaxoman are they GOOD fitting concentric type spacers --EG there are locating spigots on themto make them a tight fit on the hub + the wheel to the spacers If not that will be the reason for the wobble

   My hubcentric spacers look a lot like these
   
   But is ofc. 4x108.
   
   Front spacers look similar, but are not hubcentric.
   
   They are from the brand FK, a german brand if I remember correctly.
   
   The rims fits perfect in the spacers "hub". And the spacers fits perfekt to the cars hub.
10. user_7076 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2005 Milton Keynes Posts: 8504 Audi A1 S-Line, Mazda MX5 Kuro, Renault Clio 1.2,

    #10 22nd April 2013, 20:57

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Dulli Also, my previous rims, which was all new, i used the same spacers, and had the same problem as now :/

    Then you already know what the cause is.
11. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

    #11 23rd April 2013, 05:16

    Ok
    Next question
    
    Are you running ford rims and the spacer to correct
    
    If so then they have a larger centre bore and youll need spigot ribgs too
    Iirc most of the borbets are ford fitting in 4x108 so a straight citroen spacer alone is no good
12. axsaxoman Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2003 Scotland Posts: 3380

    #12 23rd April 2013, 08:58

    Not possible with these rims
    
    there are no rims in the world that do not have a lcation onto the hub --the wheel bolts are only to hold them tight in a inward direction
    the location and concentricicity is achieved by a spigot on the hub
    that is your problem 100%
13. user_34323 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2009 ringwood Posts: 6305 suzuki swift 1.2 sz3

    #13 23rd April 2013, 09:07

    As said already. You need hubcentric for the fronts, to take the slack between the center bores.
14. Dulli Infrequent Poster Joined: Mar 2012 Denmark Posts: 151 Citroen Saxo 2001 / 1.6 8v / Two coloured

    #14 23rd April 2013, 11:56

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by AlexB Ok Next question Are you running ford rims and the spacer to correct If so then they have a larger centre bore and youll need spigot ribgs too Iirc most of the borbets are ford fitting in 4x108 so a straight citroen spacer alone is no good

    The previous owner broke 1 of the rims, and got a new one. As far as i know, the new one is from af ford, as the center hole was bigger, than the carhub. So on this one, i got a center ring, which made the rim fit perfect. Like this:
    
    The other 3 rims, actually had a too small a center hole, so for these, i had to contact a professionel who could drill the holes to a perfect fit to the center hub.
15. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

    #15 23rd April 2013, 12:04

    Id check the work of your professional then

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16. Dulli Infrequent Poster Joined: Mar 2012 Denmark Posts: 151 Citroen Saxo 2001 / 1.6 8v / Two coloured

    #16 23rd April 2013, 12:13

    Yeah you're probably right.
    
    So if he drilled about, lets say 0,5mm too much off, or maybe less, this would reson why the car is shaking?
17. 01amatti Regular Poster Joined: Dec 2006 leeds Posts: 313 2003 saxo VTR, 2000 VTS

    #17 23rd April 2013, 12:20

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Dulli Yeah you're probably right. So if he drilled about, lets say 0,5mm too much off, or maybe less, this would reson why the car is shaking?

    Yes. He may have machined them slightly off centre causing them to be ou of true
18. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

    #18 23rd April 2013, 12:38

    When i did mine i got them within .025mm on a mill and used a 16mm end mill to interpolate the holes out to the correct size
    
    You could use a boring head on a mill
    
    Any other method really you could end up with issues like you have
    
    A lathe if you have a large enough one youd have to clock the bore up true before hand
19. 01amatti Regular Poster Joined: Dec 2006 leeds Posts: 313 2003 saxo VTR, 2000 VTS

    #19 23rd April 2013, 12:40

    Like Alex said^ what method did he use? I used a CNC borer/mill so i could use the machine itself to clock them up and find the centre of the bore
    
    
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20. Dulli Infrequent Poster Joined: Mar 2012 Denmark Posts: 151 Citroen Saxo 2001 / 1.6 8v / Two coloured

    #20 23rd April 2013, 12:46

    Aww, I have no idea what method he used. But I would guess he used CNC.
    
    So, a solution to this would be to drill the center bigger, once again, and fit a center ring? So much hassle with these rims!
21. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

    #21 23rd April 2013, 12:51

    Well now hed have to ignore the centre bores when hes setting it up to machine if you go that route of fitting bigger spigots
    
    Hed have to clock the outer lip true or central then bore down the middle to get it
    I wouldnt take it to the same place as last time cause if he has allready messed up then hes fucked it
    
    Also if you open it up too much you will weaken the wheel they will crack from the bolt holes too the centre bore