Pugsport Tarmac dampers.

  1. Established Member Joined: Sep 2011 Ebbw Vale Posts: 1180 Clio 182 Daily, 106 GTi Track Project
    #1
    I've been offered some pugsport Tarmac dampers for £80, but I've never really heard of these dampers, so are they any good on a daily lowered 50mm? I want good handling as well as a bit more comfort over the standards I got ATM.

    Thanks.
  2. Established Member Joined: Sep 2011 Ebbw Vale Posts: 1180 Clio 182 Daily, 106 GTi Track Project
    #2
    What they like for handling and daily comfort?
  3. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2010 Little Mill, South Wales Posts: 7547 Mondeo ST TDCI Saxo VTS
    #3
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by josh11490 View Post
    What they like for handling and daily comfort?
    You drive a lowered Saxo, does comfort really matter?
  4. Established Member Joined: Sep 2011 Ebbw Vale Posts: 1180 Clio 182 Daily, 106 GTi Track Project
    #4
    No but anything should be better than standard, I just got a new job so ill be driving further and earlier in the morning I don't wanna get pissed off with the car lol

    Are these dampers comparable to the likes of Bilstein b8s or anything?
  5. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2009 ringwood Posts: 6305 suzuki swift 1.2 sz3
    #5
    Doubt it, i bet they are hard like fuck.
  6. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card
    #6
    Theyre really comfortable actually not harsh at all. Very good dampers, much more comfortable than say Bilsteins GrpNs etc. About as comfortable as B8s tbh.

    But I doubt they will work well together with your springs you have..
  7. West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL
    #7
    not really suited for low spring rates but awesome dampers
  8. Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2012 Lancs Posts: 439 Saxo VTS mk1 stage rally car
    #8
    They're a good piece of kit but as AlexB said, they're suited better to harder springs. Obviously they're designed for hard tarmac racing/rallying so that's when they operate best.
  9. Established Member Joined: Sep 2011 Ebbw Vale Posts: 1180 Clio 182 Daily, 106 GTi Track Project
    #9
    But they will still work ok with apex 50mm springs? I plan on doing a couple of track days sooner or later and might get better springs if that's the case, but are they worth £80 an ok with my springs?
  10. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card
    #10
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by josh11490 View Post
    But they will still work ok with apex 50mm springs? I plan on doing a couple of track days sooner or later and might get better springs if that's the case, but are they worth £80 an ok with my springs?
    No theyre not ok with your springs, as myself, Alex and Kebabman have said they wont be ok.

    I would use something in the region of 250lb to 325lb with them rather than your apex 115lb or whatever they are which are basically standard lb just shorter.
  11. Established Member Joined: Sep 2011 Ebbw Vale Posts: 1180 Clio 182 Daily, 106 GTi Track Project
    #11
    Not worth getting then, thanks for the help.
  12. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card
    #12
    Yeh, theyre worth getting because you said you are planning on doing track days and might get some different springs.

    £80 is very cheap for them dampers,can sell them for more if you dont ever use them. Also they wont be available again when you do want some unless you dont mind paying £400 orwhatever it is for the dampers new.
  13. Established Member Joined: Sep 2011 Ebbw Vale Posts: 1180 Clio 182 Daily, 106 GTi Track Project
    #13
    Ahh ok, if i get them and fit them to my vtr with the apex springs for a while before I get better ones will it be ok? My standard vtr ones are on there last legs, so It makes sense to upgrade, but I don't want to buy these if I can't fit them and use then with my springs for a while before I upgrade again.
  14. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 31279 Citroen Saxo VTS, S60 D5
    #14
    B8 rears are harsh enough for a daily lol. I wouldnt even use Bilstein grp n for a daily

    Those will be spine killers, esp on our roads.

    any pics?
  15. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card
    #15
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by josh11490 View Post
    Ahh ok, if i get them and fit them to my vtr with the apex springs for a while before I get better ones will it be ok? My standard vtr ones are on there last legs, so It makes sense to upgrade, but I don't want to buy these if I can't fit them and use then with my springs for a while before I upgrade again.
    Dont use the pugsports with apex springs.

    What im saying is that £80 for Pugsport GrpNs is a very good price and they dont come up for sale second hand that often at all, so I would snap them up and use them in the future with some springs that are more suitable for use with them. Just keep the dampers in the garage until you get new springs that are suitable for them.

    If you dont get any springs for them then you could sell them for double £80 therefore you havent lost anything.

    You could use the pugsports with standard ID springs but it wont be lowered. Otherwise if you want the car lowered you can use them in a custom coilover setup. PugSports are much smoother and more comfortable that Bilstein GrpNs, theyre not harsh at all. PugSports are alot better on the road than Bilstein GrpNs I would say theyre as smooth and comfortable as what B8s are. So basically they feel OEM like a standard car, just not a bouncy spongy saxo, compare them to a modern day car with a firmer OEM suspension.
  16. West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL
    #16
    if you dont buy them
    pm me for my mobile number and put the guy selling them in touch with me
  17. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card
    #17
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AlexB View Post
    if you dont buy them
    pm me for my mobile number and put the guy selling them in touch with me
    If Alex doesnt buy them and Josh doesnt buy them then il buy them, I dont even own a saxo lol
  18. West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL
    #18
    haha danny
  19. Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2012 Lancs Posts: 439 Saxo VTS mk1 stage rally car
    #19
    I've got a pair sat in the garage but at £80 I'd be tempted with another...
  20. Established Member Joined: Sep 2011 Ebbw Vale Posts: 1180 Clio 182 Daily, 106 GTi Track Project
    #20
    What's this custom coilover set up about then? How would I go about doing it and what will it cost?
  21. Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut
    #21
    £80 is a bargain.

    But as said spring rates are wrong... + you need to have the rear end of the car matching.

    Buy them and sell for a small profit...
  22. Established Member Joined: Sep 2011 Ebbw Vale Posts: 1180 Clio 182 Daily, 106 GTi Track Project
    #22
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ryan View Post
    £80 is a bargain.

    But as said spring rates are wrong... + you need to have the rear end of the car matching.

    Buy them and sell for a small profit...
    How much would you sell them for? Tempted to leave them tbh bit over kill for what I need and i can't be bothered to buy and sell if I'm only making £20
  23. Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut
    #23
    If they're in good condition you could get £120-150 for them really. They're circa £180 per damper from memory.

    Either make a few quid or pass them onto the forum... If you're not building a complete set up IMO you are wasting your time.
  24. Established Member Joined: Sep 2011 Ebbw Vale Posts: 1180 Clio 182 Daily, 106 GTi Track Project
    #24
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ryan View Post
    If they're in good condition you could get £120-150 for them really. They're circa £180 per damper from memory.

    Either make a few quid or pass them onto the forum... If you're not building a complete set up IMO you are wasting your time.
    Might buy them and sell them on for that then.

    Suppose Ill need to keep an eye out for some more, any recommendations for some front shocks lowered 50mm but will handle well? Comfort isn't too much of an issue tbh
  25. West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL
    #25
    ill swap you some b8s for the pugsports lol
  26. Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut
    #26
    buy a package from someone like Kam racing if you want to make life easy for you.

    Then you get spring rates matched bla bla bla...
  27. Established Member Joined: Sep 2011 Ebbw Vale Posts: 1180 Clio 182 Daily, 106 GTi Track Project
    #27
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AlexB View Post
    ill swap you some b8s for the pugsports lol
    If your serious, if/when I get them ill pm you, I've just looked up the price of these new though! Haha
  28. West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL
    #28
    yea pm me man

    i can do b8s on about 7k mileage
    or apex dampers on about 3k mileage

    whichever youd prefer
  29. Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2013 staffordshire Posts: 133 saxo vts (2000 single plug&mk2) and a civic type r
    #29
    If none of the above have them I would lol, go nice on my vts
  30. West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL
    #30
    Ive sorted with him
  31. Established Member Joined: Sep 2011 Ebbw Vale Posts: 1180 Clio 182 Daily, 106 GTi Track Project
    #31
    As AlexB has said, we've sorted it now, works well for both of us
  32. Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 291
    #32
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ryan View Post
    If they're in good condition you could get £120-150 for them really. They're circa £180 per damper from memory..


    lol, try circa 240 each from special tuning... ive just sold mine as I`m getting the satchell setup.. immense dampers with 300lb springs.. maybe a bit too hard for when its wet but in the dry you`ll have a hoot and not shake your fillings out