Lowering springs 30mm, is it visible/worth it?

  1. Newbie Joined: May 2013 Netherlands Posts: 11 2001 Citroën Saxo 1.4 VTS
    #1
    Hey guys,

    I was wondering if the difference between standard and 30mm lowered springs do make some visible difference. A guy I know offers me brand new springs for €10,- (£8,45) which appears to be a very good deal
    I'm just thinking, it's quite alot of work for me (never done it before) to fit them, and when I fit them I will lower the rear too.
    So, is it worth lowering the car 30mm and does someone has a picture to compare the difference?

    Thanks
  2. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 9100 Amazon green VTR 16v, Inferno RS clio 182
    #2
    Mines at 35mm on the front, it looks functional
  3. L-plater Joined: Jan 2012 Derby Posts: 40 Renaultsport Clio 197 RB Citroen Saxo VTR Posi 8v
    #3
    I think 30mm looks great. Wouldn't give as much bother with wearing out other components either. Bigger drops will cause all sorts of hassles.
  4. Established Member Joined: Mar 2007 Edinburgh Posts: 2369
    #4
    Looks better than standard and is a reasonable height before putting stress on other suspension parts. People that drop them with 60-90mm springs without doing shocks or bushes, annoy me.
  5. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 31279 Citroen Saxo VTS, S60 D5
    #5
    Go 40/40mm imo. (left)
  6. Newbie Joined: May 2013 Netherlands Posts: 11 2001 Citroën Saxo 1.4 VTS
    #6
    Cheers guys

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Prickle View Post
    Go 40/40mm imo. (left)
    40/40mm isn't really possible since I have the opportunity to buy the 30mm for a much cheaper price. Although it looks better, as you said already
    I think I'll go for it then, everything's better than this:

  7. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 31279 Citroen Saxo VTS, S60 D5
    #7
    What springs are they? make
  8. Newbie Joined: May 2013 Netherlands Posts: 11 2001 Citroën Saxo 1.4 VTS
    #8
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Prickle View Post
    What springs are they? make
    They're G&M's, never heard of it tbh, but that's maybe because I haven't done anything with suspension in my whole life
    He said all the text is in German, so it should be a German manufactor

  9. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 3593
    #9
    How much are you paying for them?
  10. Newbie Joined: May 2013 Netherlands Posts: 11 2001 Citroën Saxo 1.4 VTS
    #10
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Muel View Post
    How much are you paying for them?
    I can get them for €10,- (£8,45)
    The guy hasn't used them because he didn't knew how to fit them, so now he sold his Saxo and wants to sell these too
  11. Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2009 Lancashire Posts: 141 Citroen Saxo Turbo
    #11
    My saxo is 60mm and its bloody awful, 40mm imo is just right like my nana, I can't get over certain speed bumps in the turbo and living in the countryside with shit roads doesn't help!
  12. Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2013 staffordshire Posts: 133 saxo vts (2000 single plug&mk2) and a civic type r
    #12
    A friend just lowered his Corsa 30mm, removes arch gap and still comfy ride. But makes it look that big smarter. Do it at that price, u can't moan even if it's not that low, it's £8 lol
  13. Newbie Joined: Apr 2013 Staffordshire Posts: 6 Mk2 Saxo VTR
    #13
    My Saxo is lowered 30mm all round, it's on 16" wheels and it looks okay to me.
  14. Regular Poster Joined: Feb 2012 Cambridgeshire Posts: 344 Evo 2 GSR, Saxo VTR, Mini Cooper S
    #14
    Down 35mm here, ideal on these shite roads!
  15. Infrequent Poster Joined: Jun 2009 Denmark Posts: 193 Mk2 VTR
    #15
    30mm is perfect ride height. I Started out with 50mm apex, this was too low for my taste. Then changed to 35mm apex this is perfect looks just right and handles great.


    This is 50mm apex front, approximately 35mm rear


    This is 35mm apex front, approximately 35mm rear
  16. Newbie Joined: Dec 2011 Barrow-in-furness, Cumbria Posts: 13 Silver 2001 VTR (In process of doing S conversion
    #16
    I've just got myself some 30mm front springs, yet to fit them. Remember to move your power steering pump pipe when lowering or it'll rub on (i think) your steering arm, leak power steering fluid and in turn knacker your pump
  17. Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2013 Posts: 155
    #17
    Aksel - where did you get the 35mm springs from? i'm struggling to find a true 35mm lowering springs for VTR/VTS....there appears to be either Apex 30mm or 50mm.
  18. Infrequent Poster Joined: Jun 2009 Denmark Posts: 193 Mk2 VTR
    #18
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by weve33 View Post
    Aksel - where did you get the 35mm springs from? i'm struggling to find a true 35mm lowering springs for VTR/VTS....there appears to be either Apex 30mm or 50mm.
    I bought them on ebay.... They are called Apex 35mm but they say it only lowers around 25mm on vts. But really i belive it to be more like 30mm.

    Product code is: 70-4000

    http://www.europerformance.co.uk/pag...roduct=2650441
  19. Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2013 Posts: 155
    #19
    Thanks dude, 25mm does sound a bit pants but if its anything to go by your pic then I think the stance is spot on! Have you got anymore pics??
  20. Infrequent Poster Joined: Jun 2009 Denmark Posts: 193 Mk2 VTR
    #20
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by weve33 View Post
    Thanks dude, 25mm does sound a bit pants but if its anything to go by your pic then I think the stance is spot on! Have you got anymore pics??
    Well like I said its more like 30mm....

    Yeah i have some but there where taken the same day, so same setup.

    I can grap a new one with my phone tommorow on flat ground with the wheel poited straight, if that would help you....?



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  21. Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2013 Posts: 155
    #21
    Yeah that would be great mate!
  22. Newbie Joined: Feb 2012 Ol' London Town Posts: 13 2002 VTS
    #22
    sorry to jump in here - but Aksel i would also be really interested to see a few more photos of your car on level ground etc.. i really cant decide on the best route to take on lowering my VTS, the Apex kits look the way to go but like others have said with -25mm it sort of feels like it would not be worth the effort but yours looks spot-on.

    cheers
    V.
  23. Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2013 Posts: 155
    #23
    Var g, I'm in the same boat!. I called up a few tuners near my area and have kept warning me about lowering the rear torsion beam that the bearings could break (due to age) and if that happens the rear beams is game over and replacement units are like £700!!!

    Now mine is a x reg so could this happen to mine? The tuners did say this tends to happen on pegoeuts rather than Saxos....
  24. Infrequent Poster Joined: Jun 2009 Denmark Posts: 193 Mk2 VTR
    #24
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by weve33 View Post
    Yeah that would be great mate!
    Ok, I will take a few pictures tommorow...
  25. Infrequent Poster Joined: Jun 2009 Denmark Posts: 193 Mk2 VTR
    #25
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by weve33 View Post
    Var g, I'm in the same boat!. I called up a few tuners near my area and have kept warning me about lowering the rear torsion beam that the bearings could break (due to age) and if that happens the rear beams is game over and replacement units are like £700!!!

    Now mine is a x reg so could this happen to mine? The tuners did say this tends to happen on pegoeuts rather than Saxos....
    My opinion:
    Cant se why it should break your axle. The only thing that happens when lowering is that the arm is moved up, just like when you drive throught a hole. But permantly. And then you reset the torsion bar at the new height. If you axle breaks by doing this, then it would be on the way out allready.
    But it can be a pain to free up the torsion bar...
  26. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2009 ringwood Posts: 6305 suzuki swift 1.2 sz3
    #26
    As long as you don't disturb the bearings in the arms you should be alright. But if you need to remove the arms, I would replace the bearings.
  27. Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2013 Posts: 155
    #27
    Aksel any luck with the pics??
  28. Infrequent Poster Joined: Jun 2009 Denmark Posts: 193 Mk2 VTR
    #28
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by weve33 View Post
    Aksel any luck with the pics??
    Here you go.... There is a little shadow over the front wheel but hope it gives you an impression...





  29. Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2013 Posts: 155
    #29
    That's a brill height! Perfect!
  30. Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2008 west london Posts: 13810
    #30
    not low enough in my opinion. Ofcourse if its better than standard though. Even at 60mm I rarely had any trouble
    roads round here are pretty bad aswell

    this was mine at 35mm front, 40mm rear... far too high

  31. Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2013 Posts: 155
    #31
    40mm looks great but which springs actually gives a true 40mm?

    I def don't want to go any lower than 40mm
  32. West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL
    #32
    If your higher than this its just not cool



  33. West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL
    #33
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by weve33 View Post
    Var g, I'm in the same boat!. I called up a few tuners near my area and have kept warning me about lowering the rear torsion beam that the bearings could break (due to age) and if that happens the rear beams is game over and replacement units are like £700!!!

    Now mine is a x reg so could this happen to mine? The tuners did say this tends to happen on pegoeuts rather than Saxos....
    It only happens if you lower it the wrong way
    And replacements are 300

    So you got told a load of shit
    My axle is 120mm down and fine
  34. Infrequent Poster Joined: Jun 2009 Denmark Posts: 193 Mk2 VTR
    #34
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by weve33 View Post
    That's a brill height! Perfect!
    Happy to help....!
  35. Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2013 Posts: 155
    #35
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AlexB View Post
    It only happens if you lower it the wrong way
    And replacements are 300

    So you got told a load of shit
    My axle is 120mm down and fine
    That's good to hear, you're not free to do mine are you?! Lol
  36. Infrequent Poster Joined: Mar 2013 Posts: 110 Saxo 1.6 VTR
    #36
    I like the look of 35mm tbh, sits just perfect
  37. Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2013 Posts: 155
    #37
    Just brought a pair of apex 50mm, only wanted 35mm but these were going cheap.

    Just hope the rear suspension can be adjusted easily and not seized etc