Down on power, ticking noise... Injectors?

  1. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2007 Trowbridge, Wiltshire Posts: 3769 A van...
    #1
    As above really.

    Got my ECU from AlexB so its now mapped.

    Running Newman PH3's, I've checked the timing twice, all fine.

    Seem to have sorted my MAP sensor problem, and another sensor from the wing which i'd removed - I've since reconnected.

    There's a tapping, pretty loud when driving, goes with the revs, and seems to be coming from the rear of the engine, inlet manifold side.

    Also the car is definitely down on power, ie Vectra 1.8 kinda pickup, my friend stayed on my bumper, it doesn't feel any quicker than when I had the 8v Engine in it!

    Tapping possible injectors? and are the Single plug and Three plug injectors all the same, as long as they're Orange banded?

    Does Hunt on idle a touch too, wouldn't think it would being mapped, but definitely does?

    Any advice?
  2. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2010 Little Mill, South Wales Posts: 7547 Mondeo ST TDCI Saxo VTS
    #2
    I had a similar noise on my Saxo, turned out to be a loose spark plug.

    Engine wasn't down on power though.
  3. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2007 Trowbridge, Wiltshire Posts: 3769 A van...
    #3
    Odd, did a compression test the other day and did them up tight, noise was there before hand and they were tight then too :/

    Definitely doesn't seem any more powerful than the 8v just with extra noise because of my manifold and exhaust :/
  4. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B
    #4
    Manifold BLOW/crack?

    Could well be your problem
    Flailing that the timing on the cams is out
  5. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2007 Trowbridge, Wiltshire Posts: 3769 A van...
    #5
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by blackie_2k5 View Post
    Manifold BLOW/crack?

    Could well be your problem
    Flailing that the timing on the cams is out
    Manifold seems fine
    Timing is set to standard markings as should be, timing mark in flywheel and the two on the pulleys
  6. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Nov 2010 Kent Posts: 8439 Gen 7 Celica 190.
    #6
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DavidKent View Post
    Manifold seems fine
    Timing is set to standard markings as should be, timing mark in flywheel and the two on the pulleys
    If its mapped and has cams it should be timmed up for it..
  7. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2007 Trowbridge, Wiltshire Posts: 3769 A van...
    #7
    Yes it should but I should still have above stock power on standard markings, it's like my 8v lol
  8. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2007 smurfland. Posts: 17346 Ex saxo owner.
    #8
    What condition is the air filter in?If the manifold has a crack then exhaust gases will be drawn up & make the air filter a sooty colour.
  9. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2007 Trowbridge, Wiltshire Posts: 3769 A van...
    #9
    Spotless mate
  10. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2007 smurfland. Posts: 17346 Ex saxo owner.
    #10
    Can you get a video up of the noise please?
  11. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2007 Trowbridge, Wiltshire Posts: 3769 A van...
    #11
    It isn't really loud enough to, I can sure try later but it'll probably not be noticeable, it's like a slight misfire when driving almost, would explain the power also.

    How can I tell what coil pack I need? Just by plug colour? I've got 3 coilpacks, I have a white plug and a white plugged one fitted so shouldn't be that, trying I narrow.

    Maybe tappy injectors I don't know :/
  12. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2007 Trowbridge, Wiltshire Posts: 3769 A van...
    #12
    Click to watch video:



    Used a screwdriver to listen and the 2 injectors I can get to seem very tappy, no noise from elsewhere that i can find..

    Also runs lumpy with no fault codes which also could be caused by injectors?

    Gonna swap them Saturday I guess and hope my spares are alright
  13. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 9100 Amazon green VTR 16v, Inferno RS clio 182
    #13
    doesnt sound too bad to me?
  14. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2007 Trowbridge, Wiltshire Posts: 3769 A van...
    #14
    It doesn't in the video, it isn't awful but certainly isn't right.

    Hunts a lot too even when driving at say 50 with a steady throttle.

    And now has decided it won't idle at all, every junction - I look a twat sat there revving!

    Still no EML
  15. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 31279 Citroen Saxo VTS, S60 D5
    #15
    I know what you're on about but cant exactly pin point where it is
  16. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 9100 Amazon green VTR 16v, Inferno RS clio 182
    #16
    Whats the fuel filter like and the FPR?
  17. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2008 Lancs Posts: 4124 JP4S'd R.
    #17
    Map sensor caused mine to cut out coming to roundabouts / juncs and was down on power. Also hunted / juddered at crusie speeds.

    So yeah all pointing to map sensor, you say you've sorted the map sensor out though? How you mean?

  18. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2007 Trowbridge, Wiltshire Posts: 3769 A van...
    #18
    Fuel filter should be fine may be worth replacing though tbf, and fpr is fine as I replaced it.

    Tbh I'm thinking MAP sensor. I plugged the sensor in the wing back in and fitted a black label MAP sensor I had around and the EML went off, it ran 'okay' and no problem but still not exactly quickly...

    I had one ordered but they messed me around and sent the wrong one - prickle has now sent me a pic of his three plug MAP, as has someone I sold an engine to a whole back and both Match up - perhaps my MAP sensor isn't reading as faulty, simply the wrong one hence no EML.

    Ticking is definitely annoying. Thankfully prickle has sorted some injectors so I still have my spare set, gonna try swapping these out while I do some tidy work Saturday.

    The sensor before the carbon canister in the wing three a light on, so I'm going to relocate it inside the inlet out of site with the vacuum pipe connected through it and blocked, basically as it is now just tidier - no EML.

    Need a MAP sensor ASAP by the look of it then, shame nowhere stocks them!
  19. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 31279 Citroen Saxo VTS, S60 D5
    #19
    Have you tried the dealers? i know you leave the dealers with a sore ring piece but at least you know its correct
  20. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2008 Lancs Posts: 4124 JP4S'd R.
    #20
    I just got a replacement part from my local motor factors
  21. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2007 Trowbridge, Wiltshire Posts: 3769 A van...
    #21
    Dealers are pretty useless, want me to order the part no refunds if its wrong choice of three as I don't have the original car details
  22. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 31279 Citroen Saxo VTS, S60 D5
    #22
    I go in and order and i check the part before i pay. I did when i went for my Green coolant sensor.

    Look for a 2003 vts reg on here and use that.
  23. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2007 Trowbridge, Wiltshire Posts: 3769 A van...
    #23
    That's true - I've just called pug and got no help whatsoever really.

    Maybe Citroen with a reg... I'm assuming there's a very high chance that the one you sent me a picture of is correct... How many can there be?

    They all want payment upfront for special ordered parts which is a bummer!

    Yours is a VTS isn't it?
  24. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 31279 Citroen Saxo VTS, S60 D5
    #24
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DavidKent View Post
    That's true - I've just called pug and got no help whatsoever really.

    Maybe Citroen with a reg... I'm assuming there's a very high chance that the one you sent me a picture of is correct... How many can there be?

    They all want payment upfront for special ordered parts which is a bummer!

    Yours is a VTS isn't it?
    Nahh i dont phone up. They will be like;


    I prefer face to face *no pun. Anyone can sit on the end of the phone and be a lazy twat and not go out in their store to check.

    Yes mines a VTS.
  25. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Nov 2010 Kent Posts: 8439 Gen 7 Celica 190.
    #25
    Your dealers must be idoits, my local Citreon are helpful and always happy to go through exactly what i need and know
  26. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2007 Trowbridge, Wiltshire Posts: 3769 A van...
    #26
    Haha that makes more sense
    That seems to be the part I need so perhaps ill get one and see I guess, while using your reg to do so haha
  27. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2007 Trowbridge, Wiltshire Posts: 3769 A van...
    #27
    They're slight idiots, yes
  28. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 31279 Citroen Saxo VTS, S60 D5
    #28
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Cam View Post
    Your dealers must be idoits, my local Citreon are helpful and always happy to go through exactly what i need and know
    +1

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DavidKent View Post
    Haha that makes more sense
    That seems to be the part I need so perhaps ill get one and see I guess, while using your reg to do so haha


    Get a price on a new injector aswell just to see what the actual price new is.
  29. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2007 Trowbridge, Wiltshire Posts: 3769 A van...
    #29
    Haha I bought one a while ago, £70 ish sticks in mind for an injector!
  30. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 31279 Citroen Saxo VTS, S60 D5
    #30
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DavidKent View Post
    Haha I bought one a while ago, £70 ish sticks in mind for an injector!
    *falls off chair

    £280ish for 4. Its not too bad if you have money to waste.
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  31. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2007 Trowbridge, Wiltshire Posts: 3769 A van...
    #31
    Haha yeah isn't nice - hence why I'm gonna try my other set Saturday, see if I can lose the ridiculous ticking noise I have!
  32. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2007 smurfland. Posts: 17346 Ex saxo owner.
    #32
    Right did a search on ebay & these are listed.http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bosch-315c...item257e27f81f if you scroll down you`ll see they fit/work on a vts mate.
  33. Established Member Joined: Jan 2012 Cambridgeshire, England Posts: 2180 Saxo 1.1, Fiesta Zetec S
    #33
    Mine makes a noise similar to this, don't think it's down on power..not that it's noticeable being a 1.1 and all...
  34. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2007 Trowbridge, Wiltshire Posts: 3769 A van...
    #34
    Good shout bud, updated so may make it run rich though :/
  35. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 31279 Citroen Saxo VTS, S60 D5
    #35
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by stevo67 View Post
    Right did a search on ebay & these are listed.http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bosch-315c...item257e27f81f if you scroll down you`ll see they fit/work on a vts mate.
    saxo ones are turquoise/blue 215, orange 225cc from a search earlier

    those are 330cc in the link


    Not sure if it makes any diff like
  36. Newbie Joined: May 2013 cornwall Posts: 24
    #36
    I had a similar problem. Car would hunt, ticky noise, running rich on idle and very lean on revving. And also cut out coming up to junctions.
    Fault code of P0170.
    This evening I changed the front lambda sensor and I believe the faults have gone. Car seems to idle better, didn't hunt.
    Mine did have a broke wire.
    Just an idea.
  37. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2007 Trowbridge, Wiltshire Posts: 3769 A van...
    #37
    I had thought lambda oddly
    Would make sense though in past experiences, admittedly with VAG and so on, they throw a distinctive fault code up...

    No EML here yet, codes present but old ones and nothing for lambda, I guess map and lambda are the main 2 so those will be first up.

    It feels so far like I should have just kept the 8v And maybe just cammed it tbf
  38. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 9100 Amazon green VTR 16v, Inferno RS clio 182
    #38
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DavidKent View Post
    I had thought lambda oddly
    Would make sense though in past experiences, admittedly with VAG and so on, they throw a distinctive fault code up...

    No EML here yet, codes present but old ones and nothing for lambda, I guess map and lambda are the main 2 so those will be first up.

    It feels so far like I should have just kept the 8v And maybe just cammed it tbf
    I'm sure you'll get it running fine, it's 95 percent there. A cammed 8v would have worked out possibly the same with the cost of a remap and headgasket etc
  39. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2007 Trowbridge, Wiltshire Posts: 3769 A van...
    #39
    Yeah I guess :/ takes the piss haha
  40. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2007 Trowbridge, Wiltshire Posts: 3769 A van...
    #40
    Car just conked again randomly after being fine ish all evening
    EML is now flashing and my cheapie reader is saying p0300 - random misfire :/

    How the hell can you diagnose that haha
  41. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 31279 Citroen Saxo VTS, S60 D5
    #41
    Who did you buy that engine off? sounds like a nightmare
  42. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2007 Trowbridge, Wiltshire Posts: 3769 A van...
    #42
    Was in a car I bought off here, he's a mate and bought it as a good engine apparently - was single plug with changeover loom though which I'd binned off.

    Don't even know which coilpack is right, I have a white plug one and 2 black ones :/ the loom plug is white but could be either? Or does it matter?
  43. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 31279 Citroen Saxo VTS, S60 D5
    #43
    End of my coilpack plug fitment/plug is White. Not black.
  44. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2007 Trowbridge, Wiltshire Posts: 3769 A van...
    #44
    Probably a white one then lol, didn't run any different on a black one tbf either