Help please

10th June 2013, 19:08

My vts was running fine then on way home it started missing at bout 30mph no eml light on. Now car won't start dash lights are flickering and a strange noise coming from the ecu. Best way I can describe the noise is like the noise a printer makes! Helpppp

10th June 2013, 19:16

Relay under the ECU has died by the sounds of it

10th June 2013, 19:16

Forgot to say that it won't even turn over now

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Originally Posted by Cam

Relay under the ECU has died by the sounds of it

is it easy cheap fix?

Does the vtr use same relay?

10th June 2013, 19:54

as far as I'm aware, there are only 2 relays.

brown and black.

the black one on my 1.5D works in my GTI. so I would assume a VTR will have the same one. (don't ask why my 1.5D has one i've not got a clue)

11th June 2013, 07:58

Is it the fuel pump relay? How would this coz the car not to turn over

Tried a vtr one in it and it doesn't make a difference :-(

11th June 2013, 17:33

Oh I missed that lol

have you checked your gearbox earth? if it's loose that would stop the starter from turning.

11th June 2013, 18:07

The relays where the noise was coming from tho

11th June 2013, 18:15

Does the pump prime? run a live from the + battery to the 2 pins in the centre of the pump to see if it whirrs

Check the fuses (Red 10a i believe)
Try another relay
Pull the fuel line off and turn it on the second click to see if its pumping fuel
Check earths
Get a diagnostic on it
..and if you want go there with it pull the fuel rail off and see if the injectors are pulsing (squirting)
Check coilpack sparks

Plenty for you to check

11th June 2013, 18:52

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Originally Posted by Prickle

Does the pump prime? run a live from the + battery to the 2 pins in the centre of the pump to see if it whirrs

Check the fuses (Red 10a i believe)
Try another relay
Pull the fuel line off and turn it on the second click to see if its pumping fuel
Check earths
Get a diagnostic on it
..and if you want go there with it pull the fuel rail off and see if the injectors are pulsing (squirting)
Check coilpack sparks

Plenty for you to check

Cheers it doesn't even turn over the noise its making is defo coming from the relay

would that cause it not to start? It didn't sound like its prime . I tried a vtr one but just did the same what earth will I check

11th June 2013, 18:54

Well change that? Yes i believe so. pump and spark *i think

Earth on the gearbox

It *should* make a noise on 2nd turn of the key. Run a live to it to see if it works. Are you sure that other pump works? not faulty.

Failing the above phone someone to come out. It will save you the hassle and money and time because its just guess work on a forum. I'm no mechanic so i'm just going off what i did myself. (recently had a similar problem but sorted now).

11th June 2013, 18:56

Check the voltage at the battery, sounds like your alt has given up and the battery has gone flat

Failing that it could be the ignition relay or an earth strap given up

But check the battery first, things spazz out when it's flat

11th June 2013, 18:58

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Originally Posted by MartinObviously

as far as I'm aware, there are only 2 relays.

brown and black.

the black one on my 1.5D works in my GTI. so I would assume a VTR will have the same one. (don't ask why my 1.5D has one i've not got a clue)

What confuses you about your diesel having one?

11th June 2013, 19:01

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Originally Posted by blackie_2k5

What confuses you about your diesel having one?

2 things mainly:

No electric fuel pump.
Completely mechanical method of injection.

11th June 2013, 19:08

But it's not a fuel pump relay lol.. On cars with a pump it does control it

It's the ignition relay, it turns on everything with the ignition

It's like the 3 plug diesels lol, only two of the plugs are actually used but its still a 3 plug ecu

11th June 2013, 19:28

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Originally Posted by Prickle

Well change that? Yes i believe so. pump and spark *i think

Earth on the gearbox

It *should* make a noise on 2nd turn of the key. Run a live to it to see if it works. Are you sure that other pump works? not faulty.

Failing the above phone someone to come out. It will save you the hassle and money and time because its just guess work on a forum. I'm no mechanic so i'm just going off what i did myself. (recently had a similar problem but sorted now).

fuel pump makes humming noise on second turn I tried to get a new relay the day from a couple places here but said they couldn't get one! Phoned Citroen and they said they had to many different relays and that I will have to take it in shop tomorrow so they can see it!

11th June 2013, 20:07

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Originally Posted by blackie_2k5

But it's not a fuel pump relay lol.. On cars with a pump it does control it

It's the ignition relay, it turns on everything with the ignition

It's like the 3 plug diesels lol, only two of the plugs are actually used but its still a 3 plug ecu

I've got a 3 plug diesel.

Earlier models don't have an "ignition" relay. You've forgotten there is no ignition on a diesel either. There is a single stop solenoid and an immobiliser board

The point is, there's practically no function and there's no need for it to be there.

Hell, the immobiliser is still part of the pump on ECU models, 1.5 diesel ECU's aren't coded.

11th June 2013, 20:25

So is the relay under ecu a fuel pump relay or ignition relay?

11th June 2013, 20:27

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Originally Posted by Dogg1210

fuel pump makes humming noise on second turn I tried to get a new relay the day from a couple places here but said they couldn't get one! Phoned Citroen and they said they had to many different relays and that I will have to take it in shop tomorrow so they can see it!

Citroen will pull your kegs down and bum you on the price of a new relay

No scrapyards?

11th June 2013, 20:32

Went to scrapyard only one vtr took relay of it but it never worked no vts

11th June 2013, 21:05

Anyone have a spare relay for vts ;-)

12th June 2013, 12:59

Had car diagnostic today turns out its earth from gbox to chassis will try sorting the night and report bk

12th June 2013, 13:09

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Originally Posted by MartinObviously

I've got a 3 plug diesel.

Earlier models don't have an "ignition" relay. You've forgotten there is no ignition on a diesel either. There is a single stop solenoid and an immobiliser board

The point is, there's practically no function and there's no need for it to be there.

Hell, the immobiliser is still part of the pump on ECU models, 1.5 diesel ECU's aren't coded.

Forget ignition as a term, and think of it as switch, there are still things to be turned on when you turn the ignition on, hence the relay

I get your point but the looms are all closely matched, easier to keep the same for the little amount it'll do then design a diff loom that doesn't incorporate it

12th June 2013, 16:14

Its the earth from bat to chassis that was snapped

12th June 2013, 17:17

She's alive!

12th June 2013, 17:22

Good stuff. Diagnostic is the best way to get to the bottom of your problem. Like i say its just guess work on a forum. It does help but it can also cost you a fortune if you take what everyone says lol.

12th June 2013, 17:35

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Originally Posted by blackie_2k5

Forget ignition as a term, and think of it as switch, there are still things to be turned on when you turn the ignition on, hence the relay

I get your point but the looms are all closely matched, easier to keep the same for the little amount it'll do then design a diff loom that doesn't incorporate it

But the pre 2001 diesel with Bosch (or Lucas) pump didn't have one.

So a differently designed loom was already in place. only difference is the ECU which doesn't do anything at all. except monitor battery voltage and engine RPM. it does nothing with the data.

12th June 2013, 17:38

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Originally Posted by Dogg1210

Its the earth from bat to chassis that was snapped

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Originally Posted by Dogg1210

She's alive!

My post was close enough

(#6)

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Originally Posted by Prickle

Good stuff. Diagnostic is the best way to get to the bottom of your problem. Like i say its just guess work on a forum. It does help but it can also cost you a fortune if you take what everyone says lol.

Peugeot charge £80 for a diagnostics test

"Oh we can't read your ECU" "there are no DTC's stored"

ORLY why's my ABS light on then. knobbers.

12th June 2013, 17:43

Yeah get someone out with a Snap on one.

12th June 2013, 17:54

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Originally Posted by Prickle

Yeah get someone out with a Snap on one.

gonna probe my ABS sensors with a multimeter first

12th June 2013, 17:56

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Originally Posted by MartinObviously

gonna probe my ABS sensors with a multimeter first

I know which one of mine is intermit now. Its the drivers front wheel.

12th June 2013, 20:07

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Originally Posted by MartinObviously

My post was close enough

(#6)

Peugeot charge £80 for a diagnostics test

"Oh we can't read your ECU" "there are no DTC's stored"

ORLY why's my ABS light on then. knobbers.

it was the mechanic that sold me the car that did it £0

cheers for the help tho guys

12th June 2013, 21:38

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Originally Posted by Prickle

I know which one of mine is intermit now. Its the drivers front wheel.

Same here, except mine is completely dead. Open circuit.

I used this picture first

Then I probed the sensor plug itself.

(this is for cars with 3 plug ECU's)

12th June 2013, 22:19

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Originally Posted by MartinObviously

But the pre 2001 diesel with Bosch (or Lucas) pump didn't have one.

So a differently designed loom was already in place. only difference is the ECU which doesn't do anything at all. except monitor battery voltage and engine RPM. it does nothing with the data.

I know what you're saying..but things become obsolete when new processes come in, costs more to keep them like that, they control stuff like the pas if you have it and the actual power when you turn the key etc and so on

So not totally useless

New loom dictates it run that way