Gearbox Broken?

1. mrdanedwards L-plater Joined: Jul 2012 Kidderminster Posts: 41 1.1 Saxo (R Reg) 1.6 Saxo VTR (Y Reg)

   #1 18th July 2013, 22:34

   Hey guys and gals,
   
   Sorry for the total lack of knowledge here, I'll try to be as detailed as I can
   
   I was driving up the M40 today and the 'check engine' light came on.
   Maybe 20-30 mins later (after only a slight reduction in power at 3.8-4k revs in 5th, about 90-95mph) I heard a bang / thud sound. (I can only describe the sound as a football being kicked quite hard, that sort of THUD)
   I then went to change down a gear to charge lanes (going about 65 at this point) and then as I moved DOWN from 5th, it felt like the whole gearbox shifted down and to the left from under my gearstick.
   I moved to the hard shoulder and shit a brick, the gearstick was now in neutral but was pointing forwards and left (towards my tax disc).
   I was able to get into a gear (3rd I think), pull off and drive the rest of the way home.
   
   I have no clue what is wrong, and have made a video to demo the problem.
   
   Is this a clutch and gearbox combo problem, a guy at work who after a drive to the shops seems to think that I need to replace the whole spark plug and HTC lead set (I'm sure he said HTC leads, this may be wrong, sorry).
   
   I had an MOT less than 2 months ago and the only advisories were for tires and a scuff on the front wheel.
   
   Any help will be much appreciated
   
   Dan
   
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP5zz...ature=youtu.be
2. Pricklep Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 31279 Citroen Saxo VTS, S60 D5

   #2 18th July 2013, 22:39

   Have you checked your linkages out of interest?
3. JoeHindle Established Member Joined: Dec 2010 Preston Posts: 2007 '05 Golf GT FSI

   #3 19th July 2013, 00:20

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Prickle Have you checked your linkages out of interest?

   This!
   
   My linkages went in my 1.1 the only gears I could select were 3rd and 4th
4. user_20080 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2007 smurfland. Posts: 17346 Ex saxo owner.

   #4 19th July 2013, 11:34

   Either the linkages or the box has dropped due to a broken gearbox mount.
5. mrdanedwards L-plater Joined: Jul 2012 Kidderminster Posts: 41 1.1 Saxo (R Reg) 1.6 Saxo VTR (Y Reg)

   #5 19th July 2013, 12:01

   Hey guys,
   
   Thanks for the help, massive thanks for Mark51p who did a tutorial on how to fit new gear linkages - I followed the guide and found my gear linkages to be fine - the actual issue is the small bracket which connects the OTHER end of the gear linkages to the gearbox - I was able to reconnect this to the gearbox but it just seems to 'spin' like there should be a bolt or a pin to hold this on ... off to the garage now to see if its a quick fix (as I don't have spare bolts etc to try and fix this myself)
   
   Dan
6. Mickswan Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2013 Jarrow Posts: 4022 2003 Icelandic Grey 16v VTR 1991 Daihatsu GTti

   #6 19th July 2013, 12:56

   If your check engine light comes on you might want to ease of the power a bit.
7. Mcgawn Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2011 Ayr Posts: 160 Saxo VTR 52 Plate

   #7 19th July 2013, 15:20

   gear selecter bush is my opinion
8. Mickswan Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2013 Jarrow Posts: 4022 2003 Icelandic Grey 16v VTR 1991 Daihatsu GTti

   #8 19th July 2013, 15:57

   Looks like you might be missing or have a loose roll pin
9. mrdanedwards L-plater Joined: Jul 2012 Kidderminster Posts: 41 1.1 Saxo (R Reg) 1.6 Saxo VTR (Y Reg)

   #9 19th July 2013, 16:39

   UPDATE:
   
   Hey again guys,
   
   So I have now been to several breakers yards and in the end went to the Citroen garage and ordered the pin (as detailed in the thread below).
   As a quick fix, I put a cable tie through the hole and could see that this would (whilst the car is parked on my drive) stop the part from falling off, however, I still cant change any other gear apart from 3rd or 4th - the 'play' in the gearstick is now much more linear (ie the stick will move from left to right, but I cannot engage into 1st, 2nd, 5th or reverse gear).
   
   If anyone else has any ideas, I'd love to hear them haha
   
   Dan
   
   
   Similar Issue:
   http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=195536
10. Manu Saxperience Addict Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 11714 A6 Le Mans tuned/A3 TFSI tuned

    #10 20th July 2013, 05:30

    the play is definitely because of the missing pin but then I'm afraid you may be looking at a dead box.
    
    
    Your EML on the dash is another problem, you burned something. Fiver says cooked cat converter and wrong lambda reading though can't really tell from where I sit. I would advise for next time to use your brakes instead of hard downshifting, and ease up on the right foot.
11. Mickswan Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2013 Jarrow Posts: 4022 2003 Icelandic Grey 16v VTR 1991 Daihatsu GTti

    #11 20th July 2013, 09:55

    Least the pins less than a quid to buy. If you can't get 1, 3 or 5th gear there is something stopping it engaging the gear.
    
    I know you've checked the linkages are there, but I'd say you need to replace them as they sound too worn.
12. mrdanedwards L-plater Joined: Jul 2012 Kidderminster Posts: 41 1.1 Saxo (R Reg) 1.6 Saxo VTR (Y Reg)

    #12 20th July 2013, 10:49

    Hey guys,
    
    Thanks for the updates, I can still get 3rd and 4th an even when I try to rotate the bit that the linkage is attached to it wont move from the 3rd/4th gear position :/
    
    On a side note, anyone got a vtr gearbox for sale haha - else its gonna be a breakers yard I think, or maybe just a whole new car job, whole thing was less than 600 and I could make that breaking it
    
    Will update further once the pin comes
    
    Thanks again,
    Dan
13. Gandi699 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 9100 Amazon green VTR 16v, Inferno RS clio 182

    #13 20th July 2013, 13:29

    Forget the pin for the moment, put a bolt through it the selector hole and then test. Might have a sloppy feeling stick but at least it'll let you get into gear
14. mrdanedwards L-plater Joined: Jul 2012 Kidderminster Posts: 41 1.1 Saxo (R Reg) 1.6 Saxo VTR (Y Reg)

    #14 20th July 2013, 19:24

    I have tried it with a cable tie ... just for testing ... and can still only select 3rd and 4th gear
    
    ARGH! I dont know what this could be :/
    
    Dan
15. mrdanedwards L-plater Joined: Jul 2012 Kidderminster Posts: 41 1.1 Saxo (R Reg) 1.6 Saxo VTR (Y Reg)

    #15 21st July 2013, 15:31

    I have tied a cable tie around the bracket and the linkage to see if when they move together I still am unable to change gears ... this is the result.
    
    Does this mean that the gearbox is broken, and that I need a new one? I dont yet have the bolt, so best to wait until it arrives and go from there?
    
    Video below:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XddPu...ature=youtu.be
    
    Dan
16. welshpug Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2010 South Wales Posts: 3078 ZX 16v, 205 GTI, 309 Goodwood, 405 MI16.

    #16 21st July 2013, 16:55

    USE A BOLT, not a cable tie.
17. mrdanedwards L-plater Joined: Jul 2012 Kidderminster Posts: 41 1.1 Saxo (R Reg) 1.6 Saxo VTR (Y Reg)

    #17 22nd July 2013, 14:49

    Have used a bolt, however I am still having the same problem ... I can only assume that the bolt is too small and that I am still just experiencing a large amount of play at the end of the gearstick.
    
    Next plan - Get the actual Pin, then get the car on a jack / ramp and try to engage the gearbox from underneath.
    
    Will post updates as and when - thanks for all of the help so far
    
    Dan
18. mrdanedwards L-plater Joined: Jul 2012 Kidderminster Posts: 41 1.1 Saxo (R Reg) 1.6 Saxo VTR (Y Reg)

    #18 25th July 2013, 21:07

    FIXED IT !!!
    
    Massive thank you to ALL of the people who have helped me with this issue
    
    Dan
19. Matts-Sax Newbie Joined: Jul 2013 Dymchurch, Kent Posts: 1 Smart ForTwo SilverPulse - Cabrio. Toyota MR2 GTS

    #19 28th July 2013, 23:55

    I think I possibly may have the same issue, but not 100% sure.
    
    I have only done 70-80 miles since I collected the car, was driving it fine last night, parked up out the front of the house, went to move the car 5 minutes later.
    
    Could not select 1st, only seems like 2nd and possibly 4th can be selected but no drive.
    
    No in your expert opinions does this sound along the lines of the pin or the linkages or perhaps both.
    
    I'm not mechanically minded, but is it something easy enough to do ??