Problem fitting Polybushes

1. user_58507 Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2012 N.Yorkshire Posts: 115 '00 black Saxo VTR '00 Posi blue Furio

   #1 28th July 2013, 18:53

   Fitted front Polybushes to my bottom arms today. Nice and easy but, when I came to refit the arms, the steel sleeves in the new bushes are too long to fit into the bracket on the shell.
   The sleeves are 50mm long and there is only 48.5mm between the brackets.
   Do I have to spread the brackets or shorten the sleeves? (and possibly the bushes)
   Anyone had the same problem?
2. user_4681 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2004 Grimsby United Kingdom (England) Posts: 5489 SUPERCHARGED saxo vts

   #2 28th July 2013, 21:14

   I have seen others have this issue before but I'm insure what they did to resolve it. I'd presume you would want them same size as what came out?
3. danny-vts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2010 Chesterfield/Nottingham Posts: 7147 dead vts. twisted 106 gti. '03' vtrrrr

   #3 29th July 2013, 01:24

   I had this when I fitted mine other week. the sleeve itself was ok, it was the rubber bush which was a couple mm too long, so cut it off
4. user_58507 Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2012 N.Yorkshire Posts: 115 '00 black Saxo VTR '00 Posi blue Furio

   #4 29th July 2013, 21:16

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by danny-vts I had this when I fitted mine other week. the sleeve itself was ok, it was the rubber bush which was a couple mm too long, so cut it off

   Haha. For me it's the opposite; the Polybush without the sleeve in fits fine, so looks like I'll just have to trim a bit off the sleeves.
5. MartinObviously Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2012 Perth Posts: 3665 Peugeot 106 1.1 Turbo Peugeot 106 1.5D Turbo Peuge

   #5 29th July 2013, 21:30

   noooooo
   
   Spread the mount on the car.
   
   It squeezes down when you tighten the bolt. this is the case on most cars
   
   especially when we're talking 2mm here...
6. user_58507 Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2012 N.Yorkshire Posts: 115 '00 black Saxo VTR '00 Posi blue Furio

   #6 29th July 2013, 22:44

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by MartinObviously noooooo Spread the mount on the car. It squeezes down when you tighten the bolt. this is the case on most cars especially when we're talking 2mm here...

   OK, thanks Martin.
   The old sleeves I burned out were also 48.5mm so the brackets haven't 'sprung' but, I'll give that a try before I get the grinder out.
7. MartinObviously Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2012 Perth Posts: 3665 Peugeot 106 1.1 Turbo Peugeot 106 1.5D Turbo Peuge

   #7 29th July 2013, 23:07

   Please don't grind the steel inserts haha.
   
   The mount will spread. I can do it
8. Bedford126 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2010 Morley, Leeds Posts: 8469 Civic ep3 type r powered by TDI NORTH

   #8 29th July 2013, 23:28

   Put the steel inserts in the freezer for 24 hours.
9. user_32315 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo

   #9 30th July 2013, 18:08

   as said, thats strange that the sleeve is too long, my bushes were too long so chopped them down, never heard of the sleeve being too long!
10. user_58507 Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2012 N.Yorkshire Posts: 115 '00 black Saxo VTR '00 Posi blue Furio

    #10 30th July 2013, 20:16

    It is strange. You would think it would be a straightforward job. but, I have offered up the sleeve on its own and there is no way it will go between the brackets. I verniered both and there is 1.5mm difference.
    Mine are the red Polybush 'Performance' kit 91.
    When assembled the sleeve is about 0.5mm longer than the bush
    With just the Polybush in the arm it is a snug fit as you would expect but it does go in.
    So, as Martin suggested, I have tried gently spreading the brackets this evening and the sleeve can now be tapped into place with a hammer but, haven't tried it in the arm yet.
    Not too keen on moving suspension mounting points, even by small amounts.
11. MartinObviously Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2012 Perth Posts: 3665 Peugeot 106 1.1 Turbo Peugeot 106 1.5D Turbo Peuge

    #11 30th July 2013, 22:35

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TomiX It is strange. You would think it would be a straightforward job. but, I have offered up the sleeve on its own and there is no way it will go between the brackets. I verniered both and there is 1.5mm difference. Mine are the red Polybush 'Performance' kit 91. When assembled the sleeve is about 0.5mm longer than the bush With just the Polybush in the arm it is a snug fit as you would expect but it does go in. So, as Martin suggested, I have tried gently spreading the brackets this evening and the sleeve can now be tapped into place with a hammer but, haven't tried it in the arm yet. Not too keen on moving suspension mounting points, even by small amounts.

    Man up and whack fuck outta it with a hammer.
    
    It's a suspension mounting point, it's not exactly soft metal. you're not going to break it.
12. RobVT Established Member Joined: Dec 2007 Redcar, Middlesbrough Posts: 2285 16v Rallye S2

    #12 31st July 2013, 12:49

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MartinObviously Man up and whack fuck outta it with a hammer. It's a suspension mounting point, it's not exactly soft metal. you're not going to break it.

    I think he's more worried about alignment
13. MartinObviously Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2012 Perth Posts: 3665 Peugeot 106 1.1 Turbo Peugeot 106 1.5D Turbo Peuge

    #13 31st July 2013, 18:59

    What alignment?
    
    You're not going to knock that out by spreading the clamp.
    
    Thing is, if the gap is 48mm, and you grind down the sleeve to 47.7. when it comes to fitting a new bush you'll grind it down to fit. eventually you'll have no clamp left.
    
    This is why you spread the clamp in the first place.
14. user_58507 Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2012 N.Yorkshire Posts: 115 '00 black Saxo VTR '00 Posi blue Furio

    #14 31st July 2013, 19:52

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by RobVT I think he's more worried about alignment

    Correct. The bracket is solid enough that I'm not worried about breaking anything and, I accept that a couple of mm shouldn't change the alignment. In fact, the shell probably flexes more than that but, everything I have read on the subject says,; don't move suspension pick-up points, even my a few mm, unless you know what it will do to the geometry.
    
    That said, I gave Polybush a ring this afternoon and I got the impression that they thought the 50mm sleeves were wrong (should be 48mm!!) That would explain everything and fits with what Danny and Alex said about the bushes being longer!
    They are checking and will ring me back so, I will keep you posted.
15. user_58507 Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2012 N.Yorkshire Posts: 115 '00 black Saxo VTR '00 Posi blue Furio

    #15 1st August 2013, 19:13

    Back to square one.
    Had a call from Polybush this aft; they'd checked drawings and, the sleeves are, and always have been 50mm long in the Saxo/106 kit and no other reports of this problem. They suggest the same as Martin and spread the brackets on the car.
    Thanks for your input guys.