problems getting spacers for these wheels

  1. Established Member Joined: Dec 2008 Middlesbrough Posts: 2267 Past: Citroen Saxo Forte W reg posi blue Now: H
    #1
    Hi guys, ok bought some bbs wheels from a guy on here and came supplied with 35mm hubcentric spacers, no problems. But the spacers were too wide and caused rubbing on the rear arch, so sold the 35mm spacers and ordered some 20mm hubcentric spacers on ebay. Brilliant seller and good communications but when the spacers arrived they sit on the hub perfect but the centre bore on the spacer ( were the alloys sits on) was too big for the ally so the alloy just sat against it leaving a gap between the alloy and the spacer.

    So got back in touch with the seller and understood, i called him for more advise and gave him the spec of the alloys and he asured me the spacer i bought wont fit and explained why, and said he was more than happy to swap them for ones that will fit. He said a special designed ones were one end is drilled hubcentric to the citroen hub and the other ar drilled o for fitment.

    Got the new spacers today and still wont fit, same problem the alloy sits against the spacer and is too small to sit onto the spacer. Got some pictures below of my problem:














    Origional spacer:




    Really annoyed because i really want these wheels on my car and cant get them on im considering just getting non hubcentric 20mm spacers with longer bolts or mechining the centre bore of the spacer to fit inside the alloy.

    What should i do? Dont know how on earth the origional 35mm spacers it on ok.
  2. West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL
    #2
    You need citroen to audi
    Not citroen to ford
  3. Established Member Joined: Dec 2008 Middlesbrough Posts: 2267 Past: Citroen Saxo Forte W reg posi blue Now: H
    #3
    Citroen to AUDI!!!

    Bloody hell didnt know they existed.

    ebay job? Spec of alloys are:

    6j x 14H2

    368ET38

    Would the audi ones still work?

    Thanks
  4. Frequent Poster Joined: Feb 2012 Portsmouth Posts: 568 1992 MX-5 1.6 SE
    #4
    Don't buy non-hubcentric, I had them for about a week and couldn't take it anymore! The wheels wobble so much at speed, had to do 55 on the motorway which was painful
  5. Established Member Joined: Dec 2008 Middlesbrough Posts: 2267 Past: Citroen Saxo Forte W reg posi blue Now: H
    #5
    S how much am i looking at for 4 20mm hubcentric citroen to audi spacers?

    Thanks
  6. West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL
    #6
    Ebay it
  7. Established Member Joined: Dec 2008 Middlesbrough Posts: 2267 Past: Citroen Saxo Forte W reg posi blue Now: H
    #7
    I did not easy to find, £130 a pair!!!! Must be cheaper versions as this issue must happen often.
  8. West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL
    #8
    See if the guy you got the previous sets off can make some up

    Those bbs are a stock audi rim though im sure so will solve your issue
  9. Established Member Joined: Dec 2008 Middlesbrough Posts: 2267 Past: Citroen Saxo Forte W reg posi blue Now: H
    #9
    Dont think he made them mate, i heard about these hubcentric rings ranging in sizes, would a 63.1 to 57.1mm ring reduce it in anyway allowing the alloy to sit on? Or will i still face the same problem of the centre bore being too big?

    Or even get universal spacers then use a citroen to audi hubcentric ring to sit in the middle of the spacer onto the hub alloying the alloy to sit on? Would that work?

    Thanks
  10. Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 649
    #10
    Your best bet is custom made spacers (M1ller had some made) or just get the centre bore machined down to fit.

    I've had a set of Audi 80 wheels to fit but haven't bothered with them yet because I want to find a cheap way of doing it. The cheapest way is probably the machining the bore option.

    edit; I just read your first post and hate to say it but you shouldn't have sold the original ones and just got them machined down.
  11. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2003 Scotland Posts: 3380
    #11
    If i understand you the spacers have a spigot that is too large to locate inside your wheel ,but the internal register fits the hub correctly
    If so just get them machined to fit
    if the problem is that the spigot is to small so wheels are a loose fit on them buy or get rings made up to suit to fit inside your wheels,
    or ir the other ones are just too wide get them machined down to width you want
  12. West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL
    #12
    What i did was open the alloys out in a mill with a boring head on mine to get a standard spacer to fit in

    Its either custom spacers audi to citroen or modify the wheels
    The current spacers if you turn down may not have much of the hub centring left and allthough once the wheels bolted up its held fairly solid you may possibly crack it off
  13. Established Member Joined: Dec 2008 Middlesbrough Posts: 2267 Past: Citroen Saxo Forte W reg posi blue Now: H
    #13
    These are what i have:

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3903356581...179%26_rdc%3D1

    Their is not much bore left if i do mechine down, however is the best option out of the two because if i mechine out the bore of the ally i loose its value and dont think it can bore to a 63.1mm ford from a 57.1mm audi?

    Thanks
  14. Established Member Joined: Dec 2008 Middlesbrough Posts: 2267 Past: Citroen Saxo Forte W reg posi blue Now: H
    #14
    Looking into it, it is probebly best to get the alloy bore mechined from 57.1mm to 63.3mm (ford) to go direct onto these spacers. That way can keep the spacers as they are and sell them on with the wheels i needs be. Looks like the alloy can be cut away more than the spacer bore and looking at the photos, most of the spacer is shown through the bore of te alloy so cant imagine much needs to come off. I went to a welding and mechining shop when i used to have the old spacers to get mecined down from 35mm to 20mm but was not psooible even though he had the tools. So couldi go back to him with one alloy and one spacer and ask him if its possible to do? This is the guy i went too so will this sort of place do this job?

    http://www.flavellwelding.co.uk/index.html

    Thanks
  15. Established Member Joined: Dec 2008 Middlesbrough Posts: 2267 Past: Citroen Saxo Forte W reg posi blue Now: H
    #15
    Ok update on the wheels took them to a local mechining shop and they are going to mechine out the bore of all alloys for £40. To the same as on the spacer so they are a direct fit.
  16. West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL
    #16
    Which is exactly what i did on mine and imo the best option

    Not a bad price either
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  17. Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 649
    #17
    It might be worth getting them done to Peugeot/Citroen spec and then buy some spigot rings for those spacers. Reason being that you'll have a wider choice of people to sell to.
  18. Established Member Joined: Dec 2008 Middlesbrough Posts: 2267 Past: Citroen Saxo Forte W reg posi blue Now: H
    #18
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Brendan View Post
    It might be worth getting them done to Peugeot/Citroen spec and then buy some spigot rings for those spacers. Reason being that you'll have a wider choice of people to sell to.
    True or i could just sell the spacers with the alloys
  19. Established Member Joined: Dec 2008 Middlesbrough Posts: 2267 Past: Citroen Saxo Forte W reg posi blue Now: H
    #19
    UPDATE

    Ok so got the spacers back from the mechine shop and they could not have done a better jub for £40!! bored the alloy out now the alloy bore sits on the spacer perfect. However still another problem.

    The origional tapered bolts are too long and go beyond the spacer by about 3-4 threads. So got hold of some steel bolts from a saxo which a supprisingly smaller length thread, off the car put the spacer on the alloy used the new bolt to see if it was still too long and to my amazment its the correct length for the spacer, sits flush with the end and thats even with the bolts tighterned.

    So i put them on the car and after tightening the bolts up i still get a little wobble on the wheel when pulling towards and against you and left to right

    What could be causing this???? so near to having these fit and something stupid always comes up why it wont go on

    Below i have provided some pictures of the bolts in as they look more shallow and also a video showing you the wobble and the bolts:














    From the picture and the video i think that either a small 1mm spacer is needed to go on the hubcentric spacer to pust them out and have my origional bolts cut down to the same size as these steel bolts?

    Or get a hub ring spacer to fill up the gap and get the origional bolt cut down to size?

    I wouldnt care but the origional spacer that came with the wheels fit perfect and tight only to wide for the arches and couldnt get the any thinner


    Thanks
  20. Established Member Joined: Jan 2010 Bournemouth/Surrey Posts: 2458 Mk2 VTR
    #20
    Did the original wheel bolts have a taper?

    Thats the only thing i can think of, the old ones had a taper and the new ones are flat faced
  21. West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL
    #21
    Might of been domed wheel bolts in the wheels

    Take a bolt out and post a photo of the hole in the wheel
  22. Established Member Joined: Dec 2008 Middlesbrough Posts: 2267 Past: Citroen Saxo Forte W reg posi blue Now: H
    #22
    Thanks just the alloy hole were the bolt goes in?

    As stated in the previous post i used my origional tapered bolts but the thread was too long. So got these bolts as the threads are not as long. Now it seems i face the issue with the neck of the bolt being thinner, i need to go back to using my tapered bolts but have them cut down?

    The other issue i face is that when the bolts are all in flush and tight the alloy is still loose on the spacer? why?

    Ok picture heavy but pics of hole, spacer bolts in and spacer video sitting with alloy:





    correct length bolt throug wheel and spacer (one used to bolt spacer to hub)



    shallowed bolt



    All bolts



    Origional tapered bolt through wheel and spacer





    Origional bolt





    alloy hole





    wheel hole



    with spacer








    Thanks
  23. West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL
    #23
    they do seem to be domed but its hard to tell from that angle

    its difficult to describe if you havent seen a domed nut but i THINK thats what you need
  24. Established Member Joined: Dec 2008 Middlesbrough Posts: 2267 Past: Citroen Saxo Forte W reg posi blue Now: H
    #24
    Well if its any help when i had the origional 35mm spacers i used the origional tapered bolt to bolt this alloy to the spacer and when bolted tight no wobble. The tapered bolts now are too long even when gone through the alloy and through the spacer. Coult cut down the tapered bolts to size and see how they hold the alloy on once tighterned. Think these steel bolts are shaped differant so their is a gap hence the wobble, with the origional bolts filling up the hole wheel should not wobble? in therory.
  25. Established Member Joined: Dec 2008 Middlesbrough Posts: 2267 Past: Citroen Saxo Forte W reg posi blue Now: H
    #25
    So like these:

    http://i.ebayimg.com/t/1-M12-x-1-5-30mm-RADIUS-ALLOY-WHEEL-BOLT-AUDI-80-BMW-e30-VAUXHALL-VW-GOLF-MK1-2-/00/s/NDgwWDY0MA==/$%28KGrHqNHJFQE-lKM2UOmBPsMhNzU7Q~~60_35.JPG

    This is based on searching audi wheel bolts at 30mm thread which is what shold clear the spacer.

    Or Wobble bolts?
  26. Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 649
    #26
    Searched the model on McGard's website and it does list the same as the above ones.

    http://www.mcgard.com/index.php?
    option=com_hikashop&view=product&layout=listing&It emid=152

    Or you could get these http://www.tegiwaimports.com/alloy-w...-adaptors-391/
  27. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Sep 2010 Kent Posts: 4908 Posi VTR, Eunos Roadster
    #27
    Who did you buy these wheels from?

    From some of the first pics, I think they are my old ones.

    Firstly, those 35mm spacers are £250 of custom anodised ally, with a smaller centre bore for the Audi bore to sit on, and hubcentric to sit on the Saxo hubs.

    You should have just got the custom spacers machined down, did they come with all the bolts? The spacers also had custom bolts, and I had matching bolts for the wheels.

    I'm a bit confused about what you've done now tbh.
  28. Established Member Joined: Dec 2008 Middlesbrough Posts: 2267 Past: Citroen Saxo Forte W reg posi blue Now: H
    #28
    Explained in PM mate mechining down the 35mm to 20mm was not an option, could not be done by two mechining specialists. So sold those, got some 20mm hubcentric spacers. Got the mechine shop to bore out the alloys to sit perfect on the new spacers which they do, just have a problem getting correct bolts and getting the bolts to bolt the wheels on without the alloy playing on the spacer. Also those 35mm spacers were not that great when i had them as the centre bore of the alloy (prior to mechining) never sat on the hub correctly, more like balanced and had to hold the alloy there while i bolted it on.
  29. Established Member Joined: Apr 2007 Alderley Edge,Cheshire Posts: 1048 1.6 VT?
    #29
    again i dont know why you are havin such issues fuck the center bore i got 20mm spacers with long wheel bolts and cut the mounting lip off the spacer so in theroy u can fit any cb size works perfectly no wobbles been over 110 on them and done 5000+ miles
  30. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Oct 2009 Middlesbrough/Coventry Posts: 3808 Megane 225
    #30
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MrChris View Post
    Did the original wheel bolts have a taper?

    Thats the only thing i can think of, the old ones had a taper and the new ones are flat faced
    Literally my exact words, if there is a slight taper it will seem like its not flush but its not going to be any closer.
  31. Established Member Joined: Dec 2008 Middlesbrough Posts: 2267 Past: Citroen Saxo Forte W reg posi blue Now: H
    #31
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    Literally my exact words, if there is a slight taper it will seem like its not flush but its not going to be any closer.
    Not sure what you mean by this mate, didnt realise that bolts would be differcult to sort on wheels. My origional Bolts above in the pictures is that a taper bolt? if so thats the one thats too long on the thread and go beyond the spacer. The bolts you see in the second lot of photos were sourced from a scrap saxo which had steel wheels on, in my mind the thread length was smaller meaning i could still be within the 20mm spacer but looking at the head of the new bolts they look thinner than the origional. Now the origional bolts i used when i did have the 35mm spacers, but looking at it in the flesh and when inspecting it i really can see spacer being at fault as the alloy sits on the spacer flush with no gap between the main hub and spacer hub.


    This is my origional too long bolts:

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/16-WHEEL-B...item415d6fd93f


    These are the bolts i thought would work:

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Genuin...item1c2f250286

    http://thumbs1.ebaystatic.com/d/l225...DkE0nJMsRQ.jpg