Why does my car only do 80mph top end?

1. Japps L-plater Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 71 1.1i saxo year 99 60bhp 1.2 clio mk1 year 98 98bh

   #1 13th August 2013, 12:41

   Not long swapped my car for another saxo 1.1i my previous 1.1s normally do the clock (with abit of wind and down hill lol) but yeah this one is shit off a shovel to 70 then crawls to 80 and just about gets to 82 down hill, iknow there not fast cars, but its just the wonder of why it tops out at 80, all ive done so fat is new coil pack and plugs, its not under weight its got barly anything in the car, so yeah all ideas worth it ? Thanks
2. W343NNA Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2012 Derbyshire Posts: 770

   #2 13th August 2013, 14:12

   Might have had the gearbox changed and somthing like a VTR put on it, I had a westcoast last year that wouldnt go over 85... that had a vtr box on it lol yet all the other 1.4s iv had do like 110
3. Gandi699 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 9100 Amazon green VTR 16v, Inferno RS clio 182

   #3 13th August 2013, 14:15

   I wouldnt say a long box like a vtr box would be good for acceleration on a 1.1
4. user_20080 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2007 smurfland. Posts: 17346 Ex saxo owner.

   #4 13th August 2013, 15:43

   No 2 cars are the same,for example some of it boils down to servicing at the correct intervals etc.
5. Japps L-plater Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 71 1.1i saxo year 99 60bhp 1.2 clio mk1 year 98 98bh

   #5 13th August 2013, 17:58

   I was thinking box at first, but the pull is too great for a vtr box, and it has full service history lol, surprising, and confusing at the same time! Maybe it has been restricted ? Or some kind again i know there not fast any way but ive never known one to get to 80 really quick then bam thats all you get!
6. Mickswan Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2013 Jarrow Posts: 4022 2003 Icelandic Grey 16v VTR 1991 Daihatsu GTti

   #6 13th August 2013, 18:04

   Get to 80 in 4th then changing up to 5th does nothing?
7. MartinObviously Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2012 Perth Posts: 3665 Peugeot 106 1.1 Turbo Peugeot 106 1.5D Turbo Peuge

   #7 13th August 2013, 18:07

   Acceleration will be quickish even with a VTR box, but at speed, the gears are too long for the engine to get the torque to the wheels.
   
   Also, are your valve clearances correct?
8. Japps L-plater Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 71 1.1i saxo year 99 60bhp 1.2 clio mk1 year 98 98bh

   #8 13th August 2013, 18:15

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Mickswan Get to 80 in 4th then changing up to 5th does nothing?

   Just took for a test got to 78 in 4th then put it into 5th and it got to about 85 /: lol
9. Japps L-plater Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 71 1.1i saxo year 99 60bhp 1.2 clio mk1 year 98 98bh

   #9 13th August 2013, 18:17

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by MartinObviously Acceleration will be quickish even with a VTR box, but at speed, the gears are too long for the engine to get the torque to the wheels. Also, are your valve clearances correct?

   I see what your saying, and im not sure how do i check this? And is there a way to determin if its a vtr box, or a 1.1 box without stripping the box its self lol
10. Gandi699 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 9100 Amazon green VTR 16v, Inferno RS clio 182

    #10 13th August 2013, 18:38

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MartinObviously Acceleration will be quickish even with a VTR box, but at speed, the gears are too long for the engine to get the torque to the wheels.

    What makes you say that? Vtr/diesel has the longest ratios of all the boxes fitted to these cars
11. Gandi699 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 9100 Amazon green VTR 16v, Inferno RS clio 182

    #11 13th August 2013, 18:39

    Getting the code off the gearbox will take 5 minutes and will be very telling
12. MartinObviously Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2012 Perth Posts: 3665 Peugeot 106 1.1 Turbo Peugeot 106 1.5D Turbo Peuge

    #12 13th August 2013, 19:16

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Gandi699 What makes you say that? Vtr/diesel has the longest ratios of all the boxes fitted to these cars

    Because of aero dynamics. Force required to punch dat saxo through the air is exponential. (I think it's a cube function actually).
    
    So, average acceleration will be similar - up to a certain speed. but because the gears are taller, the overall top speed will be less because the torque at the output of the gearbox is less at a given rpm.
    
    You need torque to sustain a high speed, as a horsepower is 33,000 torques per minute
    
    Aww I'm not good at explaining things. I know what I mean though.
13. user_43033 Established Member Joined: Mar 2010 Bradford Posts: 1490 '02 VTR, '92 106 XSI 16v

    #13 13th August 2013, 19:20

    you shouldn't have to go above 70MPH anyway...?!

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14. W343NNA Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2012 Derbyshire Posts: 770

    #14 13th August 2013, 20:20

    How much do you weigh?
15. Japps L-plater Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 71 1.1i saxo year 99 60bhp 1.2 clio mk1 year 98 98bh

    #15 13th August 2013, 21:00

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by W343NNA How much do you weigh?

    11stone and how will the gear box code tell you ? What do i match it up too engine code,?
16. Japps L-plater Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 71 1.1i saxo year 99 60bhp 1.2 clio mk1 year 98 98bh

    #16 13th August 2013, 21:01

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DavidsVTR you shouldn't have to go above 70MPH anyway...?!

    Only special occasions
17. Japps L-plater Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 71 1.1i saxo year 99 60bhp 1.2 clio mk1 year 98 98bh

    #17 13th August 2013, 21:03

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Gandi699 What makes you say that? Vtr/diesel has the longest ratios of all the boxes fitted to these cars

    5th just seems dead lol, how can i put it :/ seems like its cruise control 5th does lol no power or pull after 80, but pulls okay at 30 in 5th
18. KieranHopkins Infrequent Poster Joined: Sep 2010 Hemel Hempstead Posts: 226 MK1 Saxo VTR Amazon Green Mk2 Saxo VTS Black

    #18 13th August 2013, 21:15

    Tell the hamsters to run faster
19. Japps L-plater Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 71 1.1i saxo year 99 60bhp 1.2 clio mk1 year 98 98bh

    #19 13th August 2013, 21:31

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by KieranHopkins Tell the hamsters to run faster

    Its a slow 1.1 but that hamster must be quick..
20. MartinObviously Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2012 Perth Posts: 3665 Peugeot 106 1.1 Turbo Peugeot 106 1.5D Turbo Peuge

    #20 13th August 2013, 21:39

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Japps 5th just seems dead lol, how can i put it :/ seems like its cruise control 5th does lol no power or pull after 80, but pulls okay at 30 in 5th

    As I said earlier, you've a lot less air resistance at 30mph, so that makes sense to me.
    
    find the gearbox code!
    
    I'm sure there's a guide on here abut the codes. it wouldn't be fair for me to link 106owners guide

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21. wizardmanjm L-plater Joined: Aug 2013 feltham middlesex Posts: 34 saxo 1.1 desire golf mk4 gti

    #21 14th August 2013, 18:17

    ive got the opposite, a 1.0 106 xn and an alleged 93 mph, ive topped a tonne twice now, and 0-60 19.0 seconds, ive done 18 dead multiple tests with tonnes of junk weighing the back down and a passenger lol
22. Pricklep Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 31279 Citroen Saxo VTS, S60 D5

    #22 14th August 2013, 18:20

    race cars are limited tbh.
23. user_20080 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2007 smurfland. Posts: 17346 Ex saxo owner.

    #23 14th August 2013, 18:40

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by wizardmanjm ive got the opposite, a 1.0 106 xn and an alleged 93 mph, ive topped a tonne twice now, and 0-60 19.0 seconds, ive done 18 dead multiple tests with tonnes of junk weighing the back down and a passenger lol

    Saxo speedo`s are not accurate,so your 100mph was more like 90mph.
24. Jizanthapus Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 3593

    #24 14th August 2013, 19:37

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by stevo67 Saxo speedo`s are not accurate,so your 100mph was more like 90mph.

    That must be the most disheartening comment for him. Ever.
25. MartinObviously Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2012 Perth Posts: 3665 Peugeot 106 1.1 Turbo Peugeot 106 1.5D Turbo Peuge

    #25 14th August 2013, 22:11

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by wizardmanjm ive got the opposite, a 1.0 106 xn and an alleged 93 mph, ive topped a tonne twice now, and 0-60 19.0 seconds, ive done 18 dead multiple tests with tonnes of junk weighing the back down and a passenger lol

    Holy shit that's slower than my 1.5D!!!!!
    
    14 seconds to 60 and 97 real mph (speedo was reading 105-110)
    
    a 1.0 will never reach 100mph. Not even in theory could it reach that, it's not got enough power
26. Pricklep Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 31279 Citroen Saxo VTS, S60 D5

    #26 14th August 2013, 22:17

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MartinObviously Holy shit that's slower than my 1.5D!!!!! 14 seconds to 60 and 97 real mph (speedo was reading 105-110) a 1.0 will never reach 100mph. Not even in theory could it reach that, it's not got enough power

    wrong lad. my old* 1.0 16v n/a boggo k11 touched 100mph.
    
    pic on my fb somewhere.
27. user_65258 Infrequent Poster Joined: Aug 2013 Sheffield Posts: 113 I own a micra turbo and merc

    #27 14th August 2013, 22:22

    Same as my k11 turbo it does 130 goes off clock,
28. wizardmanjm L-plater Joined: Aug 2013 feltham middlesex Posts: 34 saxo 1.1 desire golf mk4 gti

    #28 14th August 2013, 22:31

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MartinObviously Holy shit that's slower than my 1.5D!!!!! 14 seconds to 60 and 97 real mph (speedo was reading 105-110) a 1.0 will never reach 100mph. Not even in theory could it reach that, it's not got enough power

    well whatever it was it must have been pretty close as it was running with my mates corsa d and he said he was at 90 something when i passed him lol
29. user_46658 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2010 Little Mill, South Wales Posts: 7547 Mondeo ST TDCI Saxo VTS

    #29 15th August 2013, 08:49

    On another note, why are you even attempting to be a bad bwoy in a 1.0?
30. Elodin Infrequent Poster Joined: Aug 2013 Posts: 114

    #30 15th August 2013, 08:53

    Id just like to point out that all these test were carried out on private land officer.
31. Jizanthapus Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 3593

    #31 15th August 2013, 09:07

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Brettles1986 On another note, why are you even attempting to be a bad bwoy in a 1.0?

    Becuz 0-60 in 19seconds y0.
    
    Drove a 1.0 saxo a few years back, was probably the worst car I've ever driven. And I've driven some heaps.
32. user_46658 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2010 Little Mill, South Wales Posts: 7547 Mondeo ST TDCI Saxo VTS

    #32 15th August 2013, 09:21

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Muel Becuz 0-60 in 19seconds y0.

    By dat time all zee bitches will be laffin or bored y0
33. Gandi699 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 9100 Amazon green VTR 16v, Inferno RS clio 182

    #33 15th August 2013, 09:40

    I dont even see why they bothered to make a 1.0l
34. MartinObviously Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2012 Perth Posts: 3665 Peugeot 106 1.1 Turbo Peugeot 106 1.5D Turbo Peuge

    #34 15th August 2013, 18:39

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Gandi699 I dont even see why they bothered to make a 1.0l

    Because of the way cars are taxed in Europe.
    
    Some are a price per 100cc (like in Germany)
    France had a tax calculated based on horsepower.
    
    1.0 was designed purely for driving in the city and at slow speeds.
    
    Also, Brazil is a huge market for Peugeot, cars over 1.0 in Brazil pay a hefty tax.
    
    Same goes for greece etc.