spraying interior parts (and what ive done on my posiblue saxo)

1. Iceman1619 Newbie Joined: May 2013 ballymoney/co.antrim Posts: 28 2002 blue saxo desire 1.1

   #1 16th August 2013, 01:04

   This Is what ive done to my interor NOT COLOUR CODED.. some people say its to much and to much blue but every one is different here are some pics hope they help for anyone doin the same first I sanded them down with 1500 wet and dry 2 take the smooth look off so the primmer sits nicely on with no runs sprayin in light coats I did 3 layers of light primmer coats
2. DAMSK11 Established Member Joined: Jan 2012 Cambridgeshire, England Posts: 2180 Saxo 1.1, Fiesta Zetec S

   #2 16th August 2013, 01:06

   I'm confused as to the point of this thread...are you asking for painting advice or..?
3. Bedford126 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2010 Morley, Leeds Posts: 8469 Civic ep3 type r powered by TDI NORTH

   #3 16th August 2013, 01:06

   1500 is too smooth to be rubbing down with pre paint.
4. Iceman1619 Newbie Joined: May 2013 ballymoney/co.antrim Posts: 28 2002 blue saxo desire 1.1

   #4 16th August 2013, 01:06

   I then did other parts the same vents speaker covers etc etc then sprayed them with blue gloss spray I got from ebay same again light coats I did 2 coats then left to dry then sprayed them with clear laquer same again 2 coats like so
5. DAMSK11 Established Member Joined: Jan 2012 Cambridgeshire, England Posts: 2180 Saxo 1.1, Fiesta Zetec S

   #5 16th August 2013, 01:07

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Bedford126 1500 is too smooth to be rubbing down with pre paint.

   I was literally just about to comment on that when I read through it again haha
6. Iceman1619 Newbie Joined: May 2013 ballymoney/co.antrim Posts: 28 2002 blue saxo desire 1.1

   #6 16th August 2013, 01:09

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Bedford126 1500 is too smooth to be rubbing down with pre paint.

   1500 worked ok with me then turned out good ok I know they arwnt colour coded and would look alot better if they were but its getin somwhere to mix the paint and from what ive heard halfords isnt great
7. Mickswan Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2013 Jarrow Posts: 4022 2003 Icelandic Grey 16v VTR 1991 Daihatsu GTti

   #7 16th August 2013, 01:10

   Since we're on the subject of paint, when you use lacquer how many coats? Do you sand in between? I've never sprayed and I'm thinking of doing a spare grill.
8. DAMSK11 Established Member Joined: Jan 2012 Cambridgeshire, England Posts: 2180 Saxo 1.1, Fiesta Zetec S

   #8 16th August 2013, 01:10

   Why do you need them the exact colour if they're interior parts? Also before doing primer I would have personally used 240, 1500 is far to fine
9. Iceman1619 Newbie Joined: May 2013 ballymoney/co.antrim Posts: 28 2002 blue saxo desire 1.1

   #9 16th August 2013, 01:11

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by DAMSK11 I'm confused as to the point of this thread...are you asking for painting advice or..?

   No just puttin up some pics just to see what people think man
10. Iceman1619 Newbie Joined: May 2013 ballymoney/co.antrim Posts: 28 2002 blue saxo desire 1.1

    #10 16th August 2013, 01:12

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DAMSK11 Why do you need them the exact colour if they're interior parts? Also before doing primer I would have personally used 240, 1500 is far to fine

    I might take that into consideration then mate il try 240 next time thanks
11. Iceman1619 Newbie Joined: May 2013 ballymoney/co.antrim Posts: 28 2002 blue saxo desire 1.1

    #11 16th August 2013, 01:14

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mickswan Since we're on the subject of paint, when you use lacquer how many coats? Do you sand in between? I've never sprayed and I'm thinking of doing a spare grill.

    When I had it painted I left them for 24 hours to dry properly then I laqured them I put 2 coats on just to be sure amd I have no bubbles in any of my paint yet
12. Iceman1619 Newbie Joined: May 2013 ballymoney/co.antrim Posts: 28 2002 blue saxo desire 1.1

    #12 16th August 2013, 01:17

    Here are some pics with sunvisors done and so on just wana get some new seats in now
13. DAMSK11 Established Member Joined: Jan 2012 Cambridgeshire, England Posts: 2180 Saxo 1.1, Fiesta Zetec S

    #13 16th August 2013, 01:35

    We have a section for progress threads.
    
    http://www.saxperience.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=19
14. Bedford126 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2010 Morley, Leeds Posts: 8469 Civic ep3 type r powered by TDI NORTH

    #14 16th August 2013, 02:10

    I hope no one follows your way on painting, why would you leave 24 hours for the paint to dry before lacquering? Also I would expect the paint to flake off soon 1500 is a stage polish so the "key" you have given the parts is so fine the paint molecules can't stick in it so they just float on the surface.
15. Iceman1619 Newbie Joined: May 2013 ballymoney/co.antrim Posts: 28 2002 blue saxo desire 1.1

    #15 16th August 2013, 02:21

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Bedford126 I hope no one follows your way on painting, why would you leave 24 hours for the paint to dry before lacquering? Also I would expect the paint to flake off soon 1500 is a stage polish so the "key" you have given the parts is so fine the paint molecules can't stick in it so they just float on the surface.

    Well they have been In the car quite some time now and they havent changed atall not a bubble or flake so I dont see the big problem everyone has different ways of doin it if u dont like the way I do It then dont comment simple
16. DAMSK11 Established Member Joined: Jan 2012 Cambridgeshire, England Posts: 2180 Saxo 1.1, Fiesta Zetec S

    #16 16th August 2013, 02:30

    He's trying to give you advice on how to do it properly. Fact is, your paint won't stay on anywhere near as long if you key the surface with 1500.
17. Iceman1619 Newbie Joined: May 2013 ballymoney/co.antrim Posts: 28 2002 blue saxo desire 1.1

    #17 16th August 2013, 02:35

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DAMSK11 He's trying to give you advice on how to do it properly. Fact is, your paint won't stay on anywhere near as long if you key the surface with 1500.

    Yeah ano and il see how long it lasts and as I said I definately will try 240 rather than 1500 next time I just wana see what people thought of the interior
18. Mickswan Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2013 Jarrow Posts: 4022 2003 Icelandic Grey 16v VTR 1991 Daihatsu GTti

    #18 16th August 2013, 02:44

    Ideally, how long between last coat of paint and lacquer?
19. Iceman1619 Newbie Joined: May 2013 ballymoney/co.antrim Posts: 28 2002 blue saxo desire 1.1

    #19 16th August 2013, 08:58

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mickswan Ideally, how long between last coat of paint and lacquer?

    I left it at least 24houra as I was in no rush and wanted it done properly so the paint had fully dried
20. Bedford126 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2010 Morley, Leeds Posts: 8469 Civic ep3 type r powered by TDI NORTH

    #20 16th August 2013, 11:54

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mickswan Ideally, how long between last coat of paint and lacquer?

    15-20 mins flash off time mate just so the paint is slightly tacky to the touch
    
    

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Iceman1619 I left it at least 24houra as I was in no rush and wanted it done properly so the paint had fully dried

    You wanted it doing properly but you did it wrong!!

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21. Iceman1619 Newbie Joined: May 2013 ballymoney/co.antrim Posts: 28 2002 blue saxo desire 1.1

    #21 16th August 2013, 11:59

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Bedford126 15-20 mins flash off time mate just so the paint is slightly tacky to the touch You wanted it doing properly but you did it wrong!!

    Explain to me why it wasnt done properly obviously u must be thee expert
22. Bedford126 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2010 Morley, Leeds Posts: 8469 Civic ep3 type r powered by TDI NORTH

    #22 16th August 2013, 12:18

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Iceman1619 Explain to me why it wasnt done properly obviously u must be thee expert

    yes I am the expert, 13 years in the trade a full apprenticeship and the advanced craft and master painter qualifications say I am.
    
    You did it wrong because:-
    You didn't key the part using a decent grade of paper.
    You used no mention of plastic primer.
    You used a gloss paint then left it 24 hours to fully cure before clear coat.
    Then you clear coated without using any sort of key/scotch to give the clear coat on the fully cured paint.
23. Iceman1619 Newbie Joined: May 2013 ballymoney/co.antrim Posts: 28 2002 blue saxo desire 1.1

    #23 16th August 2013, 12:33

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Bedford126 yes I am the expert, 13 years in the trade a full apprenticeship and the advanced craft and master painter qualifications say I am. You did it wrong because:- You didn't key the part using a decent grade of paper. You used no mention of plastic primer. You used a gloss paint then left it 24 hours to fully cure before clear coat. Then you clear coated without using any sort of key/scotch to give the clear coat on the fully cured paint.

    Look am sayin am no expert in fact this is my 1st time doin this and it turned out ok everyone that has seen it in person said its well done ok I never used used the proper stuff but at the end of the day aslong as it turned out ok and it did I dont see what the big problem is am only givin people an idea as to what it looks like I hear what your sayin and if never had my interior painted I probably would have gone with your guide
24. danny-vts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2010 Chesterfield/Nottingham Posts: 7147 dead vts. twisted 106 gti. '03' vtrrrr

    #24 16th August 2013, 12:48

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Iceman1619 Look am sayin am no expert in fact this is my 1st time doin this and it turned out ok everyone that has seen it in person said its well done ok I never used used the proper stuff but at the end of the day aslong as it turned out ok and it did I dont see what the big problem is am only givin people an idea as to what it looks like I hear what your sayin and if never had my interior painted I probably would have gone with your guide

    Everyone knows what it looks like, you're not the first person to ever paint interior bits
25. Iceman1619 Newbie Joined: May 2013 ballymoney/co.antrim Posts: 28 2002 blue saxo desire 1.1

    #25 16th August 2013, 12:49

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by danny-vts Everyone knows what it looks like, you're not the first person to ever paint interior bits

    Yeah true man ahh well il see how it goes
26. user_27150 Established Member Joined: Sep 2008 Glasgow Posts: 1452 Saxo VTR

    #26 17th August 2013, 21:42

    Ease off on the newbie lol. Looks decent mate but as stated will eventually fall off. Bit too much for me personally but before having a go at things, have a quick search and see if someone with more experience (in this case Bedford) and it will help you from making mistakes and doing things twice
27. Iceman1619 Newbie Joined: May 2013 ballymoney/co.antrim Posts: 28 2002 blue saxo desire 1.1

    #27 17th August 2013, 21:45

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by saxo_90 Ease off on the newbie lol. Looks decent mate but as stated will eventually fall off. Bit too much for me personally but before having a go at things, have a quick search and see if someone with more experience (in this case Bedford) and it will help you from making mistakes and doing things twice

    Yeah true man cheers and yeah startin to think its to much blue sunvisors might have to go lol
28. Pricklep Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 31279 Citroen Saxo VTS, S60 D5

    #28 17th August 2013, 22:03

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by danny-vts Everyone knows what it looks like, you're not the first person to ever paint interior bits

    well you kicked the kid in his nuts there. lol
    
    poorLAD
29. Iceman1619 Newbie Joined: May 2013 ballymoney/co.antrim Posts: 28 2002 blue saxo desire 1.1

    #29 17th August 2013, 22:31

    While we are in the paint topic chaps if im sprayin hubs and calipers do they need a coat of laquer or are they ok without it?
30. Mickswan Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2013 Jarrow Posts: 4022 2003 Icelandic Grey 16v VTR 1991 Daihatsu GTti

    #30 17th August 2013, 22:32

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Bedford126 15-20 mins flash off time mate just so the paint is slightly tacky to the touch

    Cheers for that, I've got to flat my grill before I put the final coat on. Rain called a end to play today. If you hadn't have said I'd have just waited 24 hours.
31. Bedford126 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2010 Morley, Leeds Posts: 8469 Civic ep3 type r powered by TDI NORTH

    #31 17th August 2013, 23:44

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Iceman1619 While we are in the paint topic chaps if im sprayin hubs and calipers do they need a coat of laquer or are they ok without it?

    Metal parts of any kind will need a etch primer before you start. Also depends if you use a gloss finish paint or a standard base coat. If you use a gloss then no there is no need for lacquer and if you use a base coat then yes you need to lacquer to seal it.
    
    

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mickswan Cheers for that, I've got to flat my grill before I put the final coat on. Rain called a end to play today. If you hadn't have said I'd have just waited 24 hours.

    If you leave the paint 24 hours it cures so the next coat just sits on top so it will eventually flake and peel off. you want all the layers to become one so you let it "flash off" till tacky.
32. Mickswan Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2013 Jarrow Posts: 4022 2003 Icelandic Grey 16v VTR 1991 Daihatsu GTti

    #32 17th August 2013, 23:56

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Bedford126 If you leave the paint 24 hours it cures so the next coat just sits on top so it will eventually flake and peel off. you want all the layers to become one so you let it "flash off" till tacky.

    In the words of Oz "Ah Bollocks man".
    
    Looks like I've fucked this one then, I threw down the plastic primer, let it dry then keyed it and started to put the top layers on. As you mentioned I put the first coat on then the second when it was tacky.
    
    As I mentioned I couldn't get the third one down due to the rain as I had to get the bikes back in. So my dilemma is the second coat will be cured before I can throw the last coat and lacquer on.
    
    Any way to save this?
33. danny-vts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2010 Chesterfield/Nottingham Posts: 7147 dead vts. twisted 106 gti. '03' vtrrrr

    #33 18th August 2013, 00:01

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Prickle well you kicked the kid in his nuts there. lol poorLAD

    Did i? oh well. Pretty sure he will get over it lol.
34. Bedford126 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2010 Morley, Leeds Posts: 8469 Civic ep3 type r powered by TDI NORTH

    #34 18th August 2013, 00:03

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mickswan Any way to save this?

    If you got one coat of lacquer on it then give it a really light scuff with something like a grey scotch brite.
35. Mickswan Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2013 Jarrow Posts: 4022 2003 Icelandic Grey 16v VTR 1991 Daihatsu GTti

    #35 18th August 2013, 00:17

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Bedford126 If you got one coat of lacquer on it then give it a really light scuff with something like a grey scotch brite.

    Nah just the second coat of paint, if I just use scotch brite on the second coat lay a third and forth then lacquer it do you think I'll get away with it?
36. Bedford126 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2010 Morley, Leeds Posts: 8469 Civic ep3 type r powered by TDI NORTH

    #36 18th August 2013, 00:21

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mickswan Nah just the second coat of paint, if I just use scotch brite on the second coat lay a third and forth then lacquer it do you think I'll get away with it?

    Yh cant see why not. as long as you have a key.
37. Mickswan Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2013 Jarrow Posts: 4022 2003 Icelandic Grey 16v VTR 1991 Daihatsu GTti

    #37 18th August 2013, 00:27

    Cheers for that, appreciate it.
38. Iceman1619 Newbie Joined: May 2013 ballymoney/co.antrim Posts: 28 2002 blue saxo desire 1.1

    #38 18th August 2013, 08:15

    Ok thanks then I take it its the same idea with the likes of the rocker cover and then what about the manifild cover what way do I go about tacklein them
39. sexysaxo_dan Infrequent Poster Joined: Oct 2012 Dorset Posts: 237 Citroen Saxo Furio 1.4l

    #39 8th June 2014, 19:20

    sweet finish!