Battery won't go off.

1. Psycho18 Established Member Joined: Apr 2008 west Mids Posts: 1775 Mk1 White VTS

   #1 20th August 2013, 21:28

   Ignition off, battery light still on, buzzing sound from power steering motor. Help.
2. MartinObviously Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2012 Perth Posts: 3665 Peugeot 106 1.1 Turbo Peugeot 106 1.5D Turbo Peuge

   #2 20th August 2013, 22:00

   ignition off battery light on is usually a current leak from bad diodes in the regulator (new alternator time)
   
   There are 6 diodes, only one failed diode causes the light to stay on permanently.
   
   Your PAS gets its supply directly from the alternator, so check your wiring first to make sure there are no shorts.

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3. danny-vts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2010 Chesterfield/Nottingham Posts: 7147 dead vts. twisted 106 gti. '03' vtrrrr

   #3 20th August 2013, 23:10

   I had this on my vts, just to stop the buzzing and save my battery i unclipped pas and undone battery (was working all weekend at the time so had no use for car). never found out the problem as i had enough with it so stripped it and got shell took away
4. Psycho18 Established Member Joined: Apr 2008 west Mids Posts: 1775 Mk1 White VTS

   #4 21st August 2013, 08:56

   If you have had the same issue then it must be the pas still drawing power once the ignition is off.
5. user_20080 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2007 smurfland. Posts: 17346 Ex saxo owner.

   #5 21st August 2013, 11:30

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Psycho18 If you have had the same issue then it must be the pas still drawing power once the ignition is off.

   Thats not possible,i`d say its a fault on the alternator as thats where the pas gets the current from.

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6. Psycho18 Established Member Joined: Apr 2008 west Mids Posts: 1775 Mk1 White VTS

   #6 21st August 2013, 17:59

   All my electrics are still working with ignition off. Windows, heaters, demister, is this 100% looking a fucked alternator or wiring issue somewhere?
7. Bedford126 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2010 Morley, Leeds Posts: 8469 Civic ep3 type r powered by TDI NORTH

   #7 21st August 2013, 18:06

   Sounds to me like the ignition relay.
8. MartinObviously Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2012 Perth Posts: 3665 Peugeot 106 1.1 Turbo Peugeot 106 1.5D Turbo Peuge

   #8 21st August 2013, 22:52

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Psycho18 All my electrics are still working with ignition off. Windows, heaters, demister, is this 100% looking a fucked alternator or wiring issue somewhere?

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Bedford126 Sounds to me like the ignition relay.

   As above.
   
   Y U NO tell us that first time. lol
9. Psycho18 Established Member Joined: Apr 2008 west Mids Posts: 1775 Mk1 White VTS

   #9 22nd August 2013, 07:20

   Haha, didn't realise till after!
   I've swapped the ignition relay and still doing it, i've also disconnected the ignition barrel and still doing it!
   Disconnected the alternator still doing it.
10. MartinObviously Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2012 Perth Posts: 3665 Peugeot 106 1.1 Turbo Peugeot 106 1.5D Turbo Peuge

    #10 22nd August 2013, 18:11

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Psycho18 Haha, didn't realise till after! I've swapped the ignition relay and still doing it, i've also disconnected the ignition barrel and still doing it! Disconnected the alternator still doing it.

    what happened when you took the ign relay out?
11. Psycho18 Established Member Joined: Apr 2008 west Mids Posts: 1775 Mk1 White VTS

    #11 22nd August 2013, 21:42

    Battery light was still on and electrics working so swapped it with another one and still on.
12. MartinObviously Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2012 Perth Posts: 3665 Peugeot 106 1.1 Turbo Peugeot 106 1.5D Turbo Peuge

    #12 22nd August 2013, 23:12

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Psycho18 Battery light was still on and electrics working so swapped it with another one and still on.

    What happens when you pull all the relays from behind the dash? lol
    
    If nothing, then it's probably a wiring fault in the engine bay itself.
13. user_65258 Infrequent Poster Joined: Aug 2013 Sheffield Posts: 113 I own a micra turbo and merc

    #13 23rd August 2013, 11:42

    I think it's a wiring fault aswell
14. Psycho18 Established Member Joined: Apr 2008 west Mids Posts: 1775 Mk1 White VTS

    #14 23rd August 2013, 14:41

    I've tried everything possible with limited tools and knowledge. Autoeleccy coming out today so will update the thread with the outcome.
15. Psycho18 Established Member Joined: Apr 2008 west Mids Posts: 1775 Mk1 White VTS

    #15 23rd August 2013, 15:46

    Guy has been and gone, tested virtually everything. Conclusion is: it needs a whole new loom!!!
16. MartinObviously Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2012 Perth Posts: 3665 Peugeot 106 1.1 Turbo Peugeot 106 1.5D Turbo Peuge

    #16 23rd August 2013, 17:08

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Psycho18 Guy has been and gone, tested virtually everything. Conclusion is it needs a whole new loom!!!

    Just en engine loom? no bother
    
    20 mins to change that.

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17. Psycho18 Established Member Joined: Apr 2008 west Mids Posts: 1775 Mk1 White VTS

    #17 23rd August 2013, 18:13

    The bit that goes from the alternator to the dash or something. Short in that.
18. Japps L-plater Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 71 1.1i saxo year 99 60bhp 1.2 clio mk1 year 98 98bh

    #18 26th August 2013, 02:15

    Just read this may be no help lol but i had same problem, and everything worked with keys out, diconected my car stereo and light went off dadh ad windows ect stopped working without keys in as it should, so double checked my wiring and it was shorting against the frame, sorted that, no problems since.
19. Japps L-plater Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 71 1.1i saxo year 99 60bhp 1.2 clio mk1 year 98 98bh

    #19 26th August 2013, 02:16

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Japps Just read this may be no help lol but i had same problem, and everything worked with keys out, diconected my car stereo and light went off dadh ad windows ect stopped working without keys in as it should, so double checked my wiring and it was shorting against the frame, sorted that, no problems since.

    This was after new ignition relay anf new alt thinking they were first problem turned out to be stereo and a waste of new parts lol
20. jasonmayall Established Member Joined: Mar 2011 Birmingham Posts: 2148 Rover BRM, Rover 800 Coupe, Mk6 golf.

    #20 26th August 2013, 09:23

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Psycho18 The bit that goes from the alternator to the dash or something. Short in that.

    Give me a shout if you want a hand with it ill rope you into helping me take my block out
21. Psycho18 Established Member Joined: Apr 2008 west Mids Posts: 1775 Mk1 White VTS

    #21 26th August 2013, 17:48

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Japps Just read this may be no help lol but i had same problem, and everything worked with keys out, diconected my car stereo and light went off dadh ad windows ect stopped working without keys in as it should, so double checked my wiring and it was shorting against the frame, sorted that, no problems since.

    Thanks for the advice but the whole car has been took apart incl headunit and nothing stops it.
    
    Don't understand how you can get a random short.