New brakes and pads advice please

1. user_62820 Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2013 Deal, Kent Posts: 109 Black VTR 02

   #1 5th January 2014, 13:44

   Have got to get new discs and pads all round but would like some advice on what to get and where.
   
   Its for a standard vtr which as you well know has awful braking. Have already bled within last 5000 miles but will do again if needs be. Used dot 5 stuff as per recommendation.
   
   Have seen brembo's on kam racing and some people talking about mintex. Also see braided hoses - any benefit on standard system? Any help is appreciated.
   
   
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2. user_39461 Super Moderator Joined: Nov 2009 Cambridge(ish), UK. Posts: 10581 BMW 5x M50d.

   #2 5th January 2014, 13:45

   moved to brakes forum area
3. user_62820 Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2013 Deal, Kent Posts: 109 Black VTR 02

   #3 5th January 2014, 13:45

   Cheers. First time using tapatalk
   
   
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4. user_39461 Super Moderator Joined: Nov 2009 Cambridge(ish), UK. Posts: 10581 BMW 5x M50d.

   #4 5th January 2014, 13:46

   Best thing you can do is speak to KAM Racing on the phone or drop them an email and they'll suggest something that meets your requirements and budget.
5. user_62820 Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2013 Deal, Kent Posts: 109 Black VTR 02

   #5 5th January 2014, 13:47

   Ok, will do that tomorrow then. They do only do the brembo's though so am pretty sure i know what they'll recommend. Also, do they do saxp discount?
   
   
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6. wullvfr Established Member Joined: Jan 2009 killin,perthshire Posts: 1561 Audi a3 1.8sport,kawasaki zx9r c2,Yamaha R1 track

   #6 5th January 2014, 13:48

   Might be worth while upgrading to 266mm discs,calipers and pads if you are going to replace pretty much everything.
   
   Will improve the braking but not be over the top.
7. user_62820 Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2013 Deal, Kent Posts: 109 Black VTR 02

   #7 5th January 2014, 13:52

   I did wonder about this but wanted to see if i could get similar performance from the standard set up. Don't know whether it's just age of car but even with brand new tyres (dunlop sp fast response -ace tyres in wet) it borders on dangerous.
   
   
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8. wullvfr Established Member Joined: Jan 2009 killin,perthshire Posts: 1561 Audi a3 1.8sport,kawasaki zx9r c2,Yamaha R1 track

   #8 5th January 2014, 13:55

   Yeah std brakes should be decent enough with good pads,braided lines and decent recently changed fluid.
9. RobsonB L-plater Joined: Dec 2013 Berlin / Germany Posts: 30 2001 Saxo VTS Furio 2001 Saxo VTS 16V

   #9 5th January 2014, 14:00

   I'm using my std brakes with Brembo Max discs and Ferodo pads and I like it. Next change will be with the same combination at a 266mm.
10. user_62820 Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2013 Deal, Kent Posts: 109 Black VTR 02

    #10 5th January 2014, 14:21

    Are the pads standard or are they race/fast road spec?
    
    
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11. henryvtr Infrequent Poster Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 175

    #11 5th January 2014, 15:10

    What I have learned with my vtr, the grooved and drilled discs and pads combos from eBay are crap, cheap motor factors discs are also crap, ebc green stuff and ultimate pads are terrible on any type of disc, what I should of done was put the brembo discs and pads on like Kam racing recommend on their site. But I'm now fitting 406 brembos with brembo pads and best premium discs motor factors can give me,lol rear will be standard brembo pads and discs tho. But also need a good tyre, is just as important
12. user_62820 Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2013 Deal, Kent Posts: 109 Black VTR 02

    #12 5th January 2014, 15:32

    So you wreckon brembo discs and pads all round on standard size setup will be fine. Perhaps with addition of braided lines?
    
    
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13. Alfie09 Frequent Poster Joined: Feb 2013 Posts: 579

    #13 5th January 2014, 16:27

    You can pick up BREMBO disk and pads from any local factors or eurocarparts just ask for them by name.
    
    As for braided lines yes along with the new fluid you will need to use to fit them will make an improvement but will that improvement be better than the same fluid with new standard rubber lines?
    That's debatable
14. user_62820 Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2013 Deal, Kent Posts: 109 Black VTR 02

    #14 5th January 2014, 16:53

    Debatable on saxp essentially means - sup to you
    Will put the brembos on then and see how i get on. Fluid doesn't need changing for a while as still clear. Cheers guys. Will let you know how i get on.
    
    
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15. wullvfr Established Member Joined: Jan 2009 killin,perthshire Posts: 1561 Audi a3 1.8sport,kawasaki zx9r c2,Yamaha R1 track

    #15 5th January 2014, 17:46

    Well usually braided lines offer improvement as there is less flex,on motorbikes for instance the difference is noticeable but I can't comment on cars.
16. Gandi699 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 9100 Amazon green VTR 16v, Inferno RS clio 182

    #16 5th January 2014, 18:49

    Braided lines don't offer any real world difference other than bling and impact protection if the car is rallied or similar. New non braided are fine IMO
    
    
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17. user_39461 Super Moderator Joined: Nov 2009 Cambridge(ish), UK. Posts: 10581 BMW 5x M50d.

    #17 5th January 2014, 19:12

    Copper lines and braided where they have to be allowed to flex. If you're thinking of replacing all lines with braided don't bother. Downgrade from copper lines and about 1000x more expensive lol
18. RobsonB L-plater Joined: Dec 2013 Berlin / Germany Posts: 30 2001 Saxo VTS Furio 2001 Saxo VTS 16V

    #18 5th January 2014, 20:12

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bubbaspaarx Are the pads standard or are they race/fast road spec?

    
    I'm using the Ferodo DS2500. There are fast road spec I suppose.
19. user_62820 Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2013 Deal, Kent Posts: 109 Black VTR 02

    #19 6th January 2014, 21:52

    How much did you pay for the ds2500's??
    
    
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20. user_62820 Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2013 Deal, Kent Posts: 109 Black VTR 02

    #20 10th January 2014, 17:14

    decided on M1144's as per Kev from Kam Racing's recommendation. Sticking with Standard Brembos all round and standard pads at bac. will let you know how I get on.
21. user_62820 Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2013 Deal, Kent Posts: 109 Black VTR 02

    #21 16th January 2014, 11:05

    Managed to get the front Disks and Pads on last night in the pissing rain and so far am extremely impressed. Much sharper breaking performance and the mintex's only need a little heat to get them working.