Turbo/charger BE conversion question

  1. Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2010 Worksop Posts: 571 106 GTI's/Half a turbo project
    #1
    Anyone figured away to level the engine better with the atspeed mounts. This is how mine sits right now, only thing i havnt done is fitted the lower box mount yet



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  2. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2007 morecambe Posts: 4286 2003 vtr/s
    #2
    Spoox sell a top engine mount to level it out. So do constella.

    The spoox one is about £130 which i will be getting at some point.
  3. Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2010 Worksop Posts: 571 106 GTI's/Half a turbo project
    #3
    Ill have a look now

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  4. Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2010 Worksop Posts: 571 106 GTI's/Half a turbo project
    #4
    This one yes http://www.spoox.co.uk/en/mounting-s...-specific.html

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  5. Super Moderator Joined: Nov 2009 Cambridge(ish), UK. Posts: 10581 BMW 5x M50d.
    #5
    Yeah. don't run the at speed mounts...

    I HATED the unlevel engine. Now using a constella mount. Perfectly level.
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  6. Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2010 hetton/sunderland Posts: 662 250 BHP jp4 vts
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    Is the constella mount just bolt on ?
  7. Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2010 Worksop Posts: 571 106 GTI's/Half a turbo project
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ross View Post
    Yeah. don't run the at speed mounts...

    I HATED the unlevel engine. Now using a constella mount. Perfectly level.
    I can use the atspeed gearbox ones fine, question though, you know the upper one, two large m16 bolts? Or m18. Then what looks like a m8 or m10 allen one. When the allen one is bolted down there is a large gap, i have filled the gap with washers what did you do?

    I can also run the constella ecu side one with the other atspeed ones cant i.

    There are two ways the lower ecu one can be bolted. Ill get pictures tomorrow i think i have it the right way with the small cut out avoiding the diff casing but it can go the other way the small cut out then avoids the speedo sensor section. I just put it on the same way as the other be box i have.


    Quote:
    Originally Posted by john-paul View Post
    Is the constella mount just bolt on ?
    I think so yeah mate


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  8. Super Moderator Joined: Nov 2009 Cambridge(ish), UK. Posts: 10581 BMW 5x M50d.
    #8
    Best thing to do mate is drop Steph a message here, or phone Constella direct, to ask about their products
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  9. Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2010 Worksop Posts: 571 106 GTI's/Half a turbo project
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    Ive messaged steph on facebook she will message back sokn, she did say if i am struggling with prices cause im in a shitty job she would do her best rather than me bodge or buy 2nd hand

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  10. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2007 morecambe Posts: 4286 2003 vtr/s
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Jack-Cooley View Post
    Ive messaged steph on facebook she will message back sokn, she did say if i am struggling with prices cause im in a shitty job she would do her best rather than me bodge or buy 2nd hand

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    Let me know about the price too when you hear back as i maybe interested.
  11. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2010 South Wales Posts: 3078 ZX 16v, 205 GTI, 309 Goodwood, 405 MI16.
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    you could very easily place a spacer under the mounting to lift it up.
  12. Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2010 Worksop Posts: 571 106 GTI's/Half a turbo project
    #12
    Nah mate the box is touching the battery bracket area.

    so the ecu side needs LOWERING down. which means trimming the engine mount.

    and in all honesty i would much rather pay £130 and sell the vibra one for £60 than fuck up a vibra one then have to buy one anyway.

    Logic
  13. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2010 South Wales Posts: 3078 ZX 16v, 205 GTI, 309 Goodwood, 405 MI16.
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    ohhh

    sell it all and buy a satchell kit I would.
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  14. Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2010 Worksop Posts: 571 106 GTI's/Half a turbo project
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    Anyone know how much satchell kits are?

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  15. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2007 morecambe Posts: 4286 2003 vtr/s
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Jack-Cooley View Post
    Anyone know how much satchell kits are?

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    £400 iirc but the pas side is a whole new weld on part which means cutting off the original one.
  16. Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2010 Worksop Posts: 571 106 GTI's/Half a turbo project
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    Fuck that lol just had the bay painted and put the engine in ill get a constella ecu side one

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  17. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2010 South Wales Posts: 3078 ZX 16v, 205 GTI, 309 Goodwood, 405 MI16.
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    Satchell kit is 4 mountings, far more equal driveshaft lengths, what's a bit of paint?
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  18. Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2010 Worksop Posts: 571 106 GTI's/Half a turbo project
    #18
    and 400 quid i dont have.

    and how does the satchell kit change driveshaft lengths or make them "more equal"
  19. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2005 Sydney Posts: 8525 Mango Westcoast
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by welshpug View Post
    Satchell kit is 4 mountings, far more equal driveshaft lengths, what's a bit of paint?
    This guy speaks snese
  20. Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2010 Worksop Posts: 571 106 GTI's/Half a turbo project
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    pictures or something? anyone?
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  21. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2005 Sydney Posts: 8525 Mango Westcoast
    #21
    In a few weeks time
  22. Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2010 Worksop Posts: 571 106 GTI's/Half a turbo project
    #22
    Haha okay.

    anyone know anyone who runs them?
  23. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2005 Sydney Posts: 8525 Mango Westcoast
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    Dean I think. You don't want to spend the $$$ anyway??
  24. Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2010 Worksop Posts: 571 106 GTI's/Half a turbo project
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    Depends how tempting the pictures are
  25. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Pompey/Darlo Posts: 31546 MK1 - 1.1 Animal
    #25
    why spend all that money on the engine, then skimp on the mounts?!
  26. Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2010 Worksop Posts: 571 106 GTI's/Half a turbo project
    #26
    Well would you call the atspeed setup plus a constella drivera sise one skimping out?

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  27. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2010 South Wales Posts: 3078 ZX 16v, 205 GTI, 309 Goodwood, 405 MI16.
    #27
    Yup...
  28. Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2010 Worksop Posts: 571 106 GTI's/Half a turbo project
    #28
    Someone care to explain the benefits so i can justify spending the cash rather than just doing it cause you say so lol

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  29. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2010 South Wales Posts: 3078 ZX 16v, 205 GTI, 309 Goodwood, 405 MI16.
    #29
    lots of pics on facebook, and deans project thread, and sandy's thread on the RR
  30. Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2010 Worksop Posts: 571 106 GTI's/Half a turbo project
    #30
    Ill look soon

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  31. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2010 South Wales Posts: 3078 ZX 16v, 205 GTI, 309 Goodwood, 405 MI16.
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    you can just see the 4th mounting here too

  32. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 dudley United Kingdom (England) Posts: 6790 106 gti/ SEAT LCR
    #32
    Proper job
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  33. Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2010 Worksop Posts: 571 106 GTI's/Half a turbo project
    #33
    Thanks guys ill have to have a look into it

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  34. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2005 Sydney Posts: 8525 Mango Westcoast
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by dannygti View Post
    Proper job
    Yep
  35. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2004 Grimsby United Kingdom (England) Posts: 5489 SUPERCHARGED saxo vts
    #35
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ross View Post
    Yeah. don't run the at speed mounts...

    I HATED the unlevel engine. Now using a constella mount. Perfectly level.
    Price?.....
  36. Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2010 Worksop Posts: 571 106 GTI's/Half a turbo project
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by sexy_gt View Post
    Price?.....

    Just bought the constella one myself which was 130

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  37. Super Moderator Joined: Nov 2009 Cambridge(ish), UK. Posts: 10581 BMW 5x M50d.
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by sexy_gt View Post
    Price?.....
    Pleased Jack's put a price - I can't quote on the price as it's part of a few bits and bobs they've done for me.
  38. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2007 morecambe Posts: 4286 2003 vtr/s
    #38
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Jack-Cooley View Post
    Just bought the constella one myself which was 130

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    Is that just for the top one like the spoox one? Pics?
  39. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2004 Grimsby United Kingdom (England) Posts: 5489 SUPERCHARGED saxo vts
    #39
    Ditto pix of part and of it fitted. Im thinking a spacer between engine mount and bracket to lower engine may be cheaper.

    How much does the engine sit on piss. Looks 10-15mm?
  40. Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2010 Worksop Posts: 571 106 GTI's/Half a turbo project
    #40
    Yes tp be honest if you could get a high strength shim for the 4 bolt arm where it bolts onto the alloy part thats artached to the block that would be better imo.

    Im trying the spoox one.


    Btw, bought thw spoox one not the constella, tried to buy the constella one but messaged steph 4 times and she always replied too busy or its 'her second day back be patient' sick of waiting called spoox and he offered me free postage and sent it next day, thats cusyomer service for ya

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  41. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2010 South Wales Posts: 3078 ZX 16v, 205 GTI, 309 Goodwood, 405 MI16.
    #41
    How does it vary to the atspeed mount?
  42. Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2010 Worksop Posts: 571 106 GTI's/Half a turbo project
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by welshpug View Post
    How does it vary to the atspeed mount?
    As far as im aware atspeed dont do a "ecu side" engine mount for the BE4R conversion. they simply tell people to "trim the gearbox casing"

    dosnt install much confidence really. if you were to do that you need to make sure it is 100% flat or your going to get high and low spots.

    Technically trimming down the gearbox will lift the box up a few mm to match the Ecu side.

    But in reality the ecu side needs lowering down to suit. the best thing would be a whole new alloy section. one peice that bolts directly onto the engine.

    no fuss, no cutting or chopping.


    But alloy isnt cheap.


    If i had time to do so, which i may attempt i will measure the difference in hight on either side and have some shims machined up to go between the engine mount arm and the section that goes onto the block to lower the engine using the original Vibra/baker bm mounts ect..




    Like so. but you just have to make sure that the bit above the red section does not foul the cambelt covers.
  43. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2004 Grimsby United Kingdom (England) Posts: 5489 SUPERCHARGED saxo vts
    #43
    ^^^that is exactly what needs to be done and was my thought straight away.
  44. Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2010 Worksop Posts: 571 106 GTI's/Half a turbo project
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    Epic engineer me

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  45. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2010 South Wales Posts: 3078 ZX 16v, 205 GTI, 309 Goodwood, 405 MI16.
    #45
    ohhh, meh, I'll just save up a bit more and get the satchell kit myself.
  46. Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2010 Worksop Posts: 571 106 GTI's/Half a turbo project
    #46
    Just had a look and between that arm and the cambelt cover there isnt even enough room to fit your finger in...


    will think of something
  47. Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2006 Ilkeston, Derbyshire Posts: 469 374 bhp Supercharged 205 GTI, Passat Estate
    #47
    Why not just raise the height of the gearbox mount. Will cost you £0 if you can weld/fabricate. If you cant i can do it for a lot cheaper than these mount kits!
  48. Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2010 Worksop Posts: 571 106 GTI's/Half a turbo project
    #48
    That does work dude but the problem is the more you lift the engine up the more strain is on the driveshafts.

    The flatter the better, even if ut is only a few mm

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  49. Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2010 Worksop Posts: 571 106 GTI's/Half a turbo project
    #49
    Infact if you was going extreme you could weld the ecu side mount on an inch lower

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  50. Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2006 Ilkeston, Derbyshire Posts: 469 374 bhp Supercharged 205 GTI, Passat Estate
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    You have that the wrong way around. If you lower the engine the shaft angles are worse.
  51. Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2010 Worksop Posts: 571 106 GTI's/Half a turbo project
    #51
    I do. Ignore me.

    Cut a hole in the bonnet and raise it 4inch...

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  52. Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2006 Ilkeston, Derbyshire Posts: 469 374 bhp Supercharged 205 GTI, Passat Estate
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Jack-Cooley View Post
    I do. Ignore me.

    Cut a hole in the bonnet and raise it 4inch...

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    Exactly what i am in the process of doing, along with subframe and strut tops to correct wishbone, trackrod and shaft angles
  53. Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2010 Worksop Posts: 571 106 GTI's/Half a turbo project
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    Crazy guy, if you ran bodies you could run a scoop....

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  54. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2010 South Wales Posts: 3078 ZX 16v, 205 GTI, 309 Goodwood, 405 MI16.
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    you wont be "lifting" the engine, you'll just be returning it to its original height!
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  55. Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2010 Worksop Posts: 571 106 GTI's/Half a turbo project
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    I was kidding

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  56. Established Member Joined: Mar 2006 Farnham Surrey Posts: 1542 AX GT 16v turbo 6 speed with NOS 205 gti6 E 320
    #56
    Mine has always sat flat
    But then i have never used anything atspeed
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  57. Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2010 Worksop Posts: 571 106 GTI's/Half a turbo project
    #57
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by tweeqd View Post
    Mine has always sat flat
    But then i have never used anything atspeed
    Your own in house made ones at a guess?

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  58. Established Member Joined: Mar 2006 Farnham Surrey Posts: 1542 AX GT 16v turbo 6 speed with NOS 205 gti6 E 320
    #58
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Jack-Cooley View Post
    Your own in house made ones at a guess?

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  59. Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2010 Worksop Posts: 571 106 GTI's/Half a turbo project
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by tweeqd View Post

    Cheeky.

    If i had the tools id be making one. May see if i can get a steel framed one made, is there any reason they are alloy?

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  60. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2010 South Wales Posts: 3078 ZX 16v, 205 GTI, 309 Goodwood, 405 MI16.
    #60
    Got a drill angle grinder and a welder?
  61. Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2010 Worksop Posts: 571 106 GTI's/Half a turbo project
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by welshpug View Post
    Got a drill angle grinder and a welder?
    Does 2 out of 3 count?


    I really need to invest in a welder, and probably teach myself before i start making engine mounts