306 Gti-6 brakes questions?????

1. Bi22le Newbie Joined: Jan 2014 Aylesbury Posts: 6 Amazon Mk1 VTS track car 306 Estate

   #1 2nd February 2014, 23:04

   Just a quick questions, id be grateful for some help.
   
   I've sourced a pair of calipers and a set of pagid discs already, my queries are when fitting are the saxo hoses long enough? I've no issue with replacing them but I'd like to be prepared so I can get the job done in one day.
   My other question is regarding pads, I've searched and found a lot of recommendations but I'd like an idea related to how I'm using the car.
   Basically it's a "track only" car and at my first trackday a few weeks ago I finished the day with horrifically warped discs. They were brand new pagid items (they had been bedded in), I had no issues with brake fade just the shake.
   What suggestions has anyone got to try and prevent this?
   
   Cheers
   Mark
2. user_39461 Super Moderator Joined: Nov 2009 Cambridge(ish), UK. Posts: 10581 BMW 5x M50d.

   #2 3rd February 2014, 00:07

   Track only pads speak to KAM racing about some CL5+ or CL6 pads.
   
   Hoses on gti6 calipers are fine - but you'll benefit from changing to braided so might as well do it.
   Could also consider changing to a 23mm master cylinder too whilst you're there. Better pedal feel.
3. Bi22le Newbie Joined: Jan 2014 Aylesbury Posts: 6 Amazon Mk1 VTS track car 306 Estate

   #3 3rd February 2014, 00:23

   Cheers for the reply, I'll give KAM a buzz.
   I've got braided lines already so it's a bonus I don't have to change them.
   What is the 23mm master cylinder off? For ease of sourcing
4. user_39461 Super Moderator Joined: Nov 2009 Cambridge(ish), UK. Posts: 10581 BMW 5x M50d.

   #4 3rd February 2014, 01:43

   Gti6 / some 406's. You want one that matches yours for number of ports - 2 for abs or 4 for non-abs
5. welshpug Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2010 South Wales Posts: 3078 ZX 16v, 205 GTI, 309 Goodwood, 405 MI16.

   #5 3rd February 2014, 08:20

   All 406's used a 23.8mm mc.
   
   Not a must fit tbh, youll have a longer pedal withoit but higher brake pressure.
6. DanTvts Established Member Joined: Mar 2011 Torbay Posts: 1285 Mauritius Vts, 206 Gti 180

   #6 3rd February 2014, 08:34

   Just a quick note, not quite as simple as just buying a 23mm master cyl from a pug/cit which matches your ports, some of the mounting holes are offset and some are level.
   I was never told this when i was looking for one couple of years ago so one arrived and if fitted the reservoir would have been sat at a 45 degree angle. - Obviously not too good.
7. welshpug Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2010 South Wales Posts: 3078 ZX 16v, 205 GTI, 309 Goodwood, 405 MI16.

   #7 3rd February 2014, 10:49

   yeah, that's the xsara units.
8. Bi22le Newbie Joined: Jan 2014 Aylesbury Posts: 6 Amazon Mk1 VTS track car 306 Estate

   #8 3rd February 2014, 19:45

   Thanks for the info, very helpful
9. user_61120 L-plater Joined: Aug 2012 Clackmannanshire Posts: 56 Citreon Saxo Vtr ph2 Ford capri mk3 1984 2.0s

   #9 13th February 2014, 20:43

   planning on fitting gti-6 brakes to my vtr but am I right in saying that I would need to order braided gti-6 hoses rather than saxo ones or will they both fit regardless?
   just checking before I order them.
10. DanTvts Established Member Joined: Mar 2011 Torbay Posts: 1285 Mauritius Vts, 206 Gti 180

    #10 13th February 2014, 23:18

    Saxo ones will be fine just some people like to have custom ones that are a little longer.
11. Alfie09 Frequent Poster Joined: Feb 2013 Posts: 579

    #11 14th February 2014, 07:09

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Rossco13 planning on fitting gti-6 brakes to my vtr but am I right in saying that I would need to order braided gti-6 hoses rather than saxo ones or will they both fit regardless? just checking before I order them.

    No you will find that the gti6 ones are too long and the standard Saxo ones can be a touch short.
12. user_21226 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2008 wirral Posts: 6348 Icelandic vtr turbo

    #12 14th February 2014, 08:56

    The Gti-6 ones arent to long if you clip them to the inner wing
13. user_61120 L-plater Joined: Aug 2012 Clackmannanshire Posts: 56 Citreon Saxo Vtr ph2 Ford capri mk3 1984 2.0s

    #13 19th February 2014, 20:42

    tried to fit my 283mm brake kit tonight but the caliper mounting bolts wont line up
    do I need to take a bit off the caliper or better to take a bit off the hub carrier as this is wat is stopping it
    any advice?
    
    Cheers
    
    Ross
14. Alfie09 Frequent Poster Joined: Feb 2013 Posts: 579

    #14 19th February 2014, 20:48

    Either or depends which you feel more comfortable trimming .
    
    I'd go for the strut
15. user_61120 L-plater Joined: Aug 2012 Clackmannanshire Posts: 56 Citreon Saxo Vtr ph2 Ford capri mk3 1984 2.0s

    #15 19th February 2014, 20:56

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Alfie09 Either or depends which you feel more comfortable trimming . I'd go for the strut

    that's what I was going to go for the strut as I didn't want to trim it on the caliper side just incase it weakens the caliper carrier, can trimming the strut affect it in anyway?
    
    Cheers
16. DanTvts Established Member Joined: Mar 2011 Torbay Posts: 1285 Mauritius Vts, 206 Gti 180

    #16 20th February 2014, 00:07

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Rossco13 that's what I was going to go for the strut as I didn't want to trim it on the caliper side just incase it weakens the caliper carrier, can trimming the strut affect it in anyway? Cheers

    Not by the amount you need to grind off for it to clear.