What would need to be done to get a VTR to do 60 in 2nd???

4th September 2006, 07:42

As title says.

Would -

Manifold,
Magnex straight through with decat,
Kent Cams,
BMC Enclosed Induction,
Remap,

be enough????

4th September 2006, 07:55

Dream mate.

4th September 2006, 08:00

not likely buddy!!

4th September 2006, 08:01

maybe a turbo would help a bit! lol! why do you want 60 in 2nd, does your car not have a 3rd gear!

4th September 2006, 08:09

You could stick 9 turbos on to the engine but it'll never hit genuine 60 in second thats because it's limited by the gearbox.

Off the top of my head if you wanted to hit 60 in second... then (i think

) the furio/westcoast/derv box is higher... i think.

4th September 2006, 08:14

mine red lines at 60 in second!!!!!

4th September 2006, 08:14

yours must be special then!!!

4th September 2006, 08:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by rosey

mine red lines at 60 in second!!!!!

please dont start a 15 page debate. your speedo is very very very wrong.

it doesnt actually do 60 in 2nd.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jezpick

yours must be special then!!!

it isnt it's just wrong.

4th September 2006, 08:25

well no, my speedo id 5 mph out so really its 55.

dont do it though because the engine really screams lol.

to do it comfortably you would need quite a few engine mods i would of thought!

4th September 2006, 08:29

gearbox mod

4th September 2006, 08:40

wouldnt bigger wheels help

4th September 2006, 09:05

higher rev limit.

4th September 2006, 09:09

yup, if the car has had its rev limiter raised enough then it will nail 60

4th September 2006, 09:45

Mods like filter etc will not really help to get the magic 60 out of 2nd.

The key is getting the engine to rev higher.

with the original 1.6 in my 205 gti it would never get 60 out of 2nd because the engine could'nt and would'nt rev high enough.

Then with the mi engine it revs to 7.5k and will get 65 out of second

Why not get a quickshift for the box which will reduce change times?

4th September 2006, 10:35

whats the big deal with this 60 in second? noyiced there shed loads of these threads get posted, and normaly get slated, but if I'm correct in thinking, the later you leave it to change you mis the optimun change, as your power has started to die off

4th September 2006, 10:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by YM03

whats the big deal with this 60 in second? noyiced there shed loads of these threads get posted, and normaly get slated, but if I'm correct in thinking, the later you leave it to change you mis the optimun change, as your power has started to die off

yes thats right

if redline in second your speedo will indicat near 60 and a few people think you can do 60 in second but the speedos are way out so your probly only doing 55mph or about that

4th September 2006, 10:45

I think its more of a bragging rights thing, who has the fastest 0-60 but the slowest 60-100

4th September 2006, 10:47

one word gay

4th September 2006, 10:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by hesslevtr

wouldnt bigger wheels help

slows acceleration down... as does getting a tall ratio'd box.

Not sure why you'd want to get to do 60 in second anyway. doesnt do engine any favours...

4th September 2006, 10:50

and u look like a tit who cant drive ?

4th September 2006, 10:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mystic

I think its more of a bragging rights thing, who has the fastest 0-60 but the slowest 60-100

get you, so I can do 60 in second, lose time to a 100, and first to buy new box

4th September 2006, 10:53

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Originally Posted by adsayer

slows acceleration down... as does getting a tall ratio'd box.

Not sure why you'd want to get to do 60 in second anyway. doesnt do engine any favours...

isnt about acceleration though, it's about hitting a certain speed. as said, raise the rev limit and you'll hit it, doesnt even have to be by much either.

4th September 2006, 17:29

my mates old nova 1.3 (i think) did 72 in 2nd but did absolutly nuthin after that... not sure wot he did, pissed aorund with sum valves i think. i could find out tho

4th September 2006, 17:36

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Originally Posted by england11_2004

my mates old nova 1.3 (i think) did 72 in 2nd but did absolutly nuthin after that... not sure wot he did, pissed aorund with sum valves i think. i could find out tho

down to the gearbox. must've had a longer box in it though, dont remember my (very) old 1.3sr hitting 72 in second to be honest. you could 'piss around' with the saxos valves all you like, but it wouldnt make you hit 60 in second unless you raised the rev limit but that's been stated 18937834times already in about 2474262424 threads.

4th September 2006, 17:39

Why is there a need to do 60 in 2nd???

4th September 2006, 17:40

ha ye, i dunno what he did or if it's true. i didnt know him when he had it.... but i've bin told by all his mates that it's true. god knows what he did.

he used to a have a vtr which was rapid..dunno what he did to that either but i know he spent well over 10k on it.

i'll ask him if that did 60 in 2nd

4th September 2006, 17:42

becasue in a sprint to 60 havin to change to 3rd ads a second to ur time

4th September 2006, 17:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by andys_vts

Why is there a need to do 60 in 2nd???

one less gear change on quarter mile and on a timed 0-60 run without needing 3rd (again saving time). wouldnt do engine any harm unless you sat at 60 in 2nd for 2 hours on the motorway

england138471834- if he spent 10k on a vtr then i hope it was running a 250brake boosted engine

4th September 2006, 17:46

also if u like to drive like a twat, like me, or hang around with ppl that do, they'll ask the question, 'wot do u get out of 2nd?' and its embaresin not hitting 60 with a 1.6 vtr lol

4th September 2006, 17:47

i will ask him. i think the 10k was inc the car! i dont really know much about engines to be fair... but thnk he did summat with cams, custom exhaust system, n summat about a ram air ? n alot more. i'm sure them involved anyway. i will get a list of everything he did. i not sure how fast it was but i know it was very fast. n looked shit hot too. i'll find out

4th September 2006, 17:49

becasue my 1.2 punto sporting hit 60 in second so a vtr should, if citreon hadnt decided to put a shitty 8v engine in vtrs it probly wud wudnt it?! pricks

4th September 2006, 17:51

ye a forced air induction kit, forces air into the engine and the ecu burns more petrol to cope with the extra air - this gives more power, must enusre u spend lots of money at bp tho lol

4th September 2006, 17:53

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Originally Posted by ricksimmonds

ye a forced air induction kit, forces air into the engine and the ecu burns more petrol to cope with the extra air - this gives more power, must enusre u spend lots of money at bp tho lol

ye, again i dont know much about engines...

but wen i hopefully get a vtr in 6 months (hopefully) he told me to get a ram air sed they will increase ur speed and power alot.

4th September 2006, 17:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by ricksimmonds

becasue my 1.2 punto sporting hit 60 in second so a vtr should, if citreon hadnt decided to put a shitty 8v engine in vtrs it probly wud wudnt it?! pricks

Its nothing to do with the engine its the gearbox and rev limiter that determins how fast you can go in each gear

4th September 2006, 17:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by ricksimmonds

becasue in a sprint to 60 havin to change to 3rd ads a second to ur time

Quickshift!! Works a treat!

4th September 2006, 17:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by england11_2004

ye, again i dont know much about engines...

but wen i hopefully get a vtr in 6 months (hopefully) he told me to get a ram air sed they will increase ur speed and power alot.

No lol be lucky to get 1-2bhp from a filter. they jsut increase throttle responce

4th September 2006, 18:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by andys_vts

Quickshift!! Works a treat!

can u tell me wot a quikshift is how much it is where can u get one etc lol?

4th September 2006, 18:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by saxoash

No lol be lucky to get 1-2bhp from a filter. they jsut increase throttle responce

Dont think he means a filter, filters just filter air. He means a system which actively forces air into the engine

4th September 2006, 18:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by saxoash

Its nothing to do with the engine its the gearbox and rev limiter that determins how fast you can go in each gear

jesus, thank you.

again, just because a punto can hit 60 in 2nd, doesnt automatically mean a vtr can- IT'S BECAUSE OF THE REV LIMIT AND GEARBOX, NOTHING TO DO WITH THE POWER OF THE ENGINE. you could fit 4 turbos to a vtr but it still wouldnt hit 60 in 2nd on the standard limiter

4th September 2006, 18:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by ricksimmonds

Dont think he means a filter, filters just filter air. He means a system which actively forces air into the engine

turbo or supercharger then

4th September 2006, 18:05

if your theory on this 60 in 2nd being impossible in a vtr because its actually 2/3 mph slower than whats been read then seen as though mine will do 63 in 2nd does this mean that mine actually does do 60??

4th September 2006, 18:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by ricksimmonds

Dont think he means a filter, filters just filter air. He means a system which actively forces air into the engine

again, more max power bollocks. engine sucks in as much air as it needs. ENCLOSED filter is the term you're looking for, and these work in exactly the same way as the standard air box, which makes paying over 150 for a bmc look rather silly now doesnt it.....
only way to force more air into the engine is to compress it, by using a supercharger or a turbo (neither of which would make you hit 60 in 2nd on a standard limiter, just to make the point for the 134321423th time)

4th September 2006, 18:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by ricksimmonds

can u tell me wot a quikshift is how much it is where can u get one etc lol?

not too sure here, but i think he means changing gears quick. ??
correct me if i'm wrong

4th September 2006, 18:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Billog_VTR

if your theory on this 60 in 2nd being impossible in a vtr because its actually 2/3 mph slower than whats been read then seen as though mine will do 63 in 2nd does this mean that mine actually does do 60??

NO!!!!!!!!!!! means you're speedo is further out than everyone elses

unless of course citroen fitted your car with a one-off box which has a longer 2nd than all other vtr's

4th September 2006, 18:08

on page three already...

4th September 2006, 18:09

you should read the classic 60 in 2nd thread Ad......

4th September 2006, 18:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by ricksimmonds

Dont think he means a filter, filters just filter air. He means a system which actively forces air into the engine

get an ebay electric supercharger mate is the tits

4th September 2006, 18:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by seanvtr81

again, more max power bollocks. engine sucks in as much air as it needs. ENCLOSED filter is the term you're looking for, and these work in exactly the same way as the standard air box, which makes paying over 150 for a bmc look rather silly now doesnt it.....
only way to force more air into the engine is to compress it, by using a supercharger or a turbo (neither of which woul make you hit 60 in 2nd on a standard limiter, just to make the point for the 134321423th time)

i think you'll find theres more ways than that to get more air into the engine. And why would so many people notice a difference in bmc filters if they were the same as a standard airbox??? utter rubish that part mate. Also polishing and porting a throttle body means more air into the engine yet again!! A simple re-map would also change the amount of air being USED (EDIT!) by the engine.

4th September 2006, 18:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by seanvtr81

you should read the classic 60 in 2nd thread Ad......

just did

4th September 2006, 18:12

cant be arsed to read the whole thread but a raised RPM limit would get 60 in 2nd.

end of story.

4th September 2006, 18:14

A simple re-map would also change the amount of air going into the engine.

a remap wouldn't change the amount of air into the engine.
meachanical features limit the amount of air an engine takes in. the map just matches this air mass with the correct amount of fuel and a spark at the correct time.

wilder cams would get more air in but the only way to get 60mph in 2nd is to raise the RPM limit.

4th September 2006, 18:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by williamsvts

cant be arsed to read the whole thread but a raised RPM limit would get 60 in 2nd.

end of story.

Thus meaning its got nothing to do with gearbox allowing to or not!!

4th September 2006, 18:14

how fast does a stnd vtr go in 2nd then? cant b that far off 60 to be fair

4th September 2006, 18:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by seanvtr81

again, more max power bollocks. engine sucks in as much air as it needs. ENCLOSED filter is the term you're looking for, and these work in exactly the same way as the standard air box, which makes paying over 150 for a bmc look rather silly now doesnt it.....
only way to force more air into the engine is to compress it, by using a supercharger or a turbo (neither of which would make you hit 60 in 2nd on a standard limiter, just to make the point for the 134321423th time)

sean you're spot on with most things but i think you're forgetting that the filter acts as a restrictor.

Say a 1.6 litre engine will not swallow 1.6 litres of air per 2 cycles... it'll swallow just less than that because of the restriction. Therefore the aim from these manufacturers is to reduce restriction whilst cleaning the air thoroughly - thus the engine is able to get a little more air in thus more fuel more power yada yada.

But then again some silly boys go and get an open induction...

4th September 2006, 18:15

yes, becasue the gearbox does certain speeds in a said gear at x rpm, but on a vtr box the only way to get 60mph with a vtr rpm limit is to raise it.

4th September 2006, 18:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Billog_VTR

i think you'll find theres more ways than that to get more air into the engine. And why would so many people notice a difference in bmc filters if they were the same as a standard airbox??? utter rubish that part mate. Also polishing and porting a throttle body means more air into the engine yet again!! A simple re-map would also change the amount of air being USED (EDIT!) by the engine.

nice one mate, well said!!!

4th September 2006, 18:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Billog_VTR

Thus meaning its got nothing to do with gearbox allowing to or not!!

lol billog is kickin ass

4th September 2006, 18:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Billog_VTR

i think you'll find theres more ways than that to get more air into the engine. And why would so many people notice a difference in bmc filters if they were the same as a standard airbox??? utter rubish that part mate. Also polishing and porting a throttle body means more air into the engine yet again!! A simple re-map would also change the amount of air being USED (EDIT!) by the engine.

you're taking bollocks. you cant force air in with out turbo/supercharger, hence the name forced induction. porting throttle body doesnt physically get more air in, just smooths the flow of the air going in (what you're saying assumes that the standard engine is being restricted by lack of airflow?!? nonsense). you'll also find that a standard airbox with a panel filter and samco to replace the air feed from grill will work just as well as a BMC too. i'd love to hear your explanation of how a remap gets more air into the engine too, remap is to adjust the fuelling and ignition after changing cam lift and duration. quit reading max power. end of.

4th September 2006, 18:19

Ad- spot on mate, which is why you put a panel filter in the standard air box plus replace air feed with piece of samco. voila, enclosed filter for 40quid.

4th September 2006, 18:20

aren't you forgetting that carbon doesn't let as much heat in as the standard plastic airboxs??

4th September 2006, 18:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Billog_VTR

i think you'll find theres more ways than that to get more air into the engine. And why would so many people notice a difference in bmc filters if they were the same as a standard airbox??? utter rubish that part mate. Also polishing and porting a throttle body means more air into the engine yet again!! A simple re-map would also change the amount of air being USED (EDIT!) by the engine.

I'll go as far as to say that these people hear a bigger roar from the engine and the person driving it 'feels' its going quicker as a result. Thats why you get some people thinking their open induction is well wkd n givs n xtra 10bhp.

I doubt i could feel an extra 1 hp, can you?

4th September 2006, 18:23

williams- doubt you'd notice the difference to be honest, unless you're running a super 1600 car

4th September 2006, 18:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by england11_2004

not too sure here, but i think he means changing gears quick. ??
correct me if i'm wrong

lol yeah i dunno if he was takin the piss or not, but someone sed summit about it earlier aswell so i thort id ask lol

4th September 2006, 18:23

they use throttle bodies.

4th September 2006, 18:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by seanvtr81

you're taking bollocks. you cant force air in with out turbo/supercharger, hence the name forced induction. porting throttle body doesnt physically get more air in, just smooths the flow of the air going in (what you're saying assumes that the standard engine is being restricted by lack of airflow?!? nonsense). you'll also find that a standard airbox with a panel filter and samco to replace the air feed from grill will work just as well as a BMC too. i'd love to hear your explanation of how a remap gets more air into the engine too, remap is to adjust the fuelling and ignition after changing cam lift and duration. quit reading max power. end of.

So what you said about turbo being the only way is rubbish mate? A re-map will use the larger amounts of air available not literally take more air and shove it in there. Porting a throttle body doesnt just smooth the airflow. If theres a larger area for the air to pass through at one moment then more air is going down it!!

4th September 2006, 18:24

smoothing the ports and shite allows the air to remain in laminar flow (the opposite being turbulent) for longer thus less restriction. so technically it will aid the engine sucking in more air upto its capacity.

4th September 2006, 18:25

a remap does not affect air flow/mass in any way. it adjusts fuelling and spark timing to suit.

4th September 2006, 18:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Billog_VTR

So what you said about turbo being the only way is rubbish mate? A re-map will use the larger amounts of air available not literally take more air and shove it in there. Porting a throttle body doesnt just smooth the airflow. If theres a larger area for the air to pass through at one moment then more air is going down it!!

but you're still limited by the capacity of the engine??? unless thats what 'porting' is all about?

4th September 2006, 18:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by ricksimmonds

lol yeah i dunno if he was takin the piss or not, but someone sed summit about it earlier aswell so i thort id ask lol

ha thought he was takin the piss!

4th September 2006, 18:26

smoothing the ports and shite allows the air to remain in laminar flow (the opposite being turbulent) for longer thus less restriction. so technically it will aid the engine sucking in more air

if you speak to a pro head porter they will say not to have a smooth finish on the inlet as this has a negative affect on power, you want the air to be a little turbulant (if thats the word).

4th September 2006, 18:26

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4th September 2006, 18:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by williamsvts

a remap does not affect air flow/mass in any way. it adjusts fuelling and spark timing to suit.

But would something along the lines of a remap/chip not be able to increase the rpm limit?

4th September 2006, 18:28

so we've established that the best way to make a vtr hit 60 in 2nd is to raise the limiter! lol. would that mean ur guna burn ur engine/gearbox etc out even quiker ye? cus surely its the same as derestricting a moped? is it as easy to do as on a moped?

4th September 2006, 18:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by williamsvts

if you speak to a pro head porter they will say not to have a smooth finish on the inlet as this has a negative affect on power, you want the air to be a little turbulant (if thats the word).

bit of doube edge really. turbulence is good for mixing the fuel and air thus a more optimised combustion. but also turbulence means a restriction and therefore less flow.

They'll be some crazy formula around for how much to smooth optimisation i'll bet.

4th September 2006, 18:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by ricksimmonds

lol yeah i dunno if he was takin the piss or not, but someone sed summit about it earlier aswell so i thort id ask lol

I wasnt taking the piss,

http://www.gsmotorsport.com/precisio...ifts-p-26.html

these really do help, i fitted mine the other day, its quality to see how fast you change the gears!

4th September 2006, 18:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by adsayer

smoothing the ports and shite allows the air to remain in laminar flow (the opposite being turbulent) for longer thus less restriction. so technically it will aid the engine sucking in more air upto its capacity.

absolutely, but there has to be more air being forced in in the first place (ie turbo.s/charger ) though which was my point.

not the remap which gets more air in, but the lift and duration of the cam(s). even so, without a raised limit then you'll hit 57 in 2nd, not 60 which is the point of the whole thread.

put it this way- you have an rs turbo, you fit a cosworth throttle body but keep standard boost. are you getting more air in? no. up the boost however (ie FORCE more air in) and the bigger throttle body does it's job.

4th September 2006, 18:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by andys_vts

I wasnt taking the piss,

http://www.gsmotorsport.com/precisio...ifts-p-26.html

these really do help, i fitted mine the other day, its quality to see how fast you change the gears!

lol cheers mate, didnt no whether i was bein slow or not

4th September 2006, 18:31

But would something along the lines of a remap/chip not be able to increase the rpm limit

yes they can.

so we've established that the best way to make a vtr hit 60 in 2nd is to raise the limiter! lol. would that mean ur guna burn ur engine/gearbox etc out even quiker ye

depending on how high your RPM limit is set will determine what needs upgrading.

4th September 2006, 18:32

so to end this and bcak to the original question, lol

the ONLY 2 ways to increase gear speed is to

A)fit a longer gearbox
or
B)raise rev limit

4th September 2006, 18:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by seanvtr81

absolutely, but there has to be more air being forced in in the first place (ie turbo.s/charger ) though which was my point.

So going from what youve just said there you could just relocate the inlet to somewhere recieving more air? As in a headlight intake?

4th September 2006, 18:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by williamsvts

But would something along the lines of a remap/chip not be able to increase the rpm limit

yes they can.

so we've established that the best way to make a vtr hit 60 in 2nd is to raise the limiter! lol. would that mean ur guna burn ur engine/gearbox etc out even quiker ye

depending on how high your RPM limit is set will determine what needs upgrading.

the engine manufacturers are not stupid. they've put a limit in for a reason which is to prolong the life of the engine. Increasing the limit by even a small amount and allowing the engine to rev to those amounts will wear out it exponentially not linearly.

i.e. the life of the engine is reduced quite dramatically (on a large mileage scale).

4th September 2006, 18:34

andys_vts. just had a look. how does it work? from the picture it looks like it just replaces ur original gear stick?!

4th September 2006, 18:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by williamsvts

so to end this and bcak to the original question, lol

the ONLY 2 ways to increase gear speed is to

A)fit a longer gearbox
or
B)raise rev limit

or to narrow it down further,

the only way to hit 60 in 2nd on a vtr is to raise the rev limit

lock ban delete.

4th September 2006, 18:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by andys_vts

I wasnt taking the piss,

http://www.gsmotorsport.com/precisio...ifts-p-26.html

these really do help, i fitted mine the other day, its quality to see how fast you change the gears!

arrrr.... are these where it;s jus a simple click/push up or down to change gear rather than moving the gear stick?

if so saw one of these on a vid of a supercharged clio v6. they do look shit hot...

also found it cheaper here...

:...http://www.potn.co.uk/-_c618_4518_4522_p1615009.htm

4th September 2006, 18:36

so for the sake of showing of to ur mates about how fast u can go in second its not really worth it, it seems andys quikshift kit is best for making ur sprint time quicker

4th September 2006, 18:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Billog_VTR

So going from what youve just said there you could just relocate the inlet to somewhere recieving more air? As in a headlight intake?

standard position is fine, but the standard cold air feed is restrictive at higher speeds, as is the filter (although filter has more to do with keeping induction noise down). replace both and you're laughing. using the term 'forced air induction kit' is a common mistake, as said the only way to physically force air into the engine is to compress it by super/turbocharging.

4th September 2006, 18:38

i think they're called a sequential or sumit like that gear box, i thort that was different to this quikshift thing, lol we're the confused ones on here

4th September 2006, 18:38

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Originally Posted by ricksimmonds

so for the sake of showing of to ur mates about how fast u can go in second its not really worth it, it seems andys quikshift kit is best for making ur sprint time quicker

blowing up your engine in front of your mates is never cool. then again so is showing off how slow... sorry 'fast' a vtr is.

4th September 2006, 18:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by england11_2004

arrrr.... are these where it;s jus a simple click/push up or down to change gear rather than moving the gear stick?

lol you want a sequential gearbox for 100quid ?

no it makes the throw between gears a lot shorter that's all

4th September 2006, 18:41

the engine manufacturers are not stupid. they've put a limit in for a reason which is to prolong the life of the engine. Increasing the limit by even a small amount and allowing the engine to rev to those amounts will wear out it exponentially not linearly.

i.e. the life of the engine is reduced quite dramatically (on a large mileage scale).

not really, plenty people have 16v engines with a 7850RPM limit that have done lots of hard miles without any problems, if you do frequent oil changes then it will be ok.

4th September 2006, 18:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by adsayer

blowing up your engine in front of your mates is never cool. then again so is showing off how slow... sorry 'fast' a vtr is.

lol sory ad. im still young, nieve and very excitable about driving so i enjoy it!

4th September 2006, 18:42

as i sed earlier on about my mates VTR being rapid.... i have jus got a txt back off him sayin it did 82 in 2nd. i dunno wot he did cos he sed theres too much to rite in a txt. but thats wot he;s jus told me.

4th September 2006, 18:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by williamsvts

the engine manufacturers are not stupid. they've put a limit in for a reason which is to prolong the life of the engine. Increasing the limit by even a small amount and allowing the engine to rev to those amounts will wear out it exponentially not linearly.

i.e. the life of the engine is reduced quite dramatically (on a large mileage scale).

not really, plenty people have 16v engines with a 7850RPM limit that have done lots of hard miles without any problems, if you do frequent oil changes then it will be ok.

so they leave it ramped up at 7850 for a long duration of time and it hasnt gone boom? i doubt it. It'll wear the engine far quicker fact.

They'll only be up there for a brief amount of time. and then they'll realise there is fock all torque at that region anyway...

4th September 2006, 18:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by england11_2004

arrrr.... are these where it;s jus a simple click/push up or down to change gear rather than moving the gear stick?

As sean sed it just shortens the throw between gears but deffinately worth it imo, if your into 0-60 sprints that is!!

4th September 2006, 18:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by seanvtr81

lol you want a sequential gearbox for 100quid ?

no it makes the throw between gears a lot shorter that's all

sorry to keep goin on about it mate, it says in that advert u put up that it doesnt change ur standard trim, so how is it fitted? im realy interested in one, isit worth the 130?

4th September 2006, 18:45

i dont mean sitting on the rev limi.

and with peak power at around 7600rpm on 708 cams thats where the rev limit needs to be, it doesn't get raised for no reason!!

4th September 2006, 18:45

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Originally Posted by england11_2004

as i sed earlier on about my mates VTR being rapid.... i have jus got a txt back off him sayin it did 82 in 2nd. i dunno wot he did cos he sed theres too much to rite in a txt. but thats wot he;s jus told me.

how was it measured mate?

never mind, he's taking nonsense. to hit 82 in 2nd on 15" wheels he'd need an 8500ish rev limit, on 17" wheels he'd need an 8000 limit (assuming power to get there). tuned vts's dont run that high a limit.

4th September 2006, 18:46

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Originally Posted by england11_2004

as i sed earlier on about my mates VTR being rapid.... i have jus got a txt back off him sayin it did 82 in 2nd. i dunno wot he did cos he sed theres too much to rite in a txt. but thats wot he;s jus told me.

fuke me!! he must of changed the gear ratio or sumit surely? was the top end shite?

4th September 2006, 18:46

go to www.potn.co.uk get them for 80 mate i think it's the same thing. made by b&m anyways. have a look.

4th September 2006, 18:47

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Originally Posted by england11_2004

as i sed earlier on about my mates VTR being rapid.... i have jus got a txt back off him sayin it did 82 in 2nd. i dunno wot he did cos he sed theres too much to rite in a txt. but thats wot he;s jus told me.

joker of the year award to your mate. no joking aside. if he has thats very very impressive.

4th September 2006, 18:48

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Originally Posted by seanvtr81

how was it measured mate?

lol, this thread is wicked i rekon

WOOPS I MEANT TO QUOTE THE BIT ABOUT THE 10 PAGES ON STOP WATCHES WRIST WATCHES LOL

4th September 2006, 18:48

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Originally Posted by williamsvts

i dont mean sitting on the rev limi.

and with peak power at around 7600rpm on 708 cams thats where the rev limit needs to be, it doesn't get raised for no reason!!

are we talking about a vtr going to 60 in 2nd or a VTS with cams

ARRRR too many random convos in one thread!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

4th September 2006, 18:48

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Originally Posted by ricksimmonds

fuke me!! he must of changed the gear ratio or sumit surely? was the top end shite?

i know he cud keep up with soobs n evo's. n i will find out exactly wot he did. everything cost him over 10k n spent around 4k on the engine i've been told. he sold it jus after i met him. so i neva really saw it in action. i know it was rapid tho

4th September 2006, 18:49

i reckon its got too many people in that dont know how an engone and gearbox work.

4th September 2006, 18:49

i was using a vts with raised limit for example, nothing to do with this thread.
8vs are gay

4th September 2006, 18:50

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Originally Posted by williamsvts

i was using a vts with raised limit for example, nothing to do with this thread.
8vs are gay

lol. got ya

4th September 2006, 18:50

so i neva really saw it in action

there we go!!!!

does the word bullshit mean anything??

4th September 2006, 18:52

right.... hopefully the convo is completed

im off to the gym. been fun, ta ta

4th September 2006, 18:52

i cant believe ive read this crap thread, ive never read so much shite

4th September 2006, 18:53

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Originally Posted by bullit

i cant believe ive read this crap thread, ive never read so much shite

care to enlighten us then?

4th September 2006, 18:53

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Originally Posted by england11_2004

go to www.potn.co.uk get them for 80 mate i think it's the same thing. made by b&m anyways. have a look.

nice one mate! gota get one of those, bargain price! :thumbup: ill even get u rep for that as i wud of paid the 130 or w/e it was!

4th September 2006, 18:54

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Originally Posted by seanvtr81

how was it measured mate?

never mind, he's taking nonsense. to hit 82 in 2nd on 15" wheels he'd need an 8500ish rev limit, on 17" wheels he'd need an 8000 limit (assuming power to get there). tuned vts's dont run that high a limit.

he cud b talkin nonsense mate. i never actually saw it go that fast. so he could be. he's not 1 to chat shit to be fair. n he still spends daft money on cars now always making them faster. again he could b lying. i wouldnt know n he;s not got it anymore either so cant even see. my other mates have seen it have sed the same tho.

it started fukin up on him in the end he had changed and messed about with that much, so he got rid. but for the short time he had it, it was fast as fuck mate

4th September 2006, 18:58

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Originally Posted by williamsvts

so i neva really saw it in action

there we go!!!!

does the word bullshit mean anything??

listen mate ye, i'm not the 1 bullshittin, for all i know it might b aload of shite. but it's him and all our mates tellin me this. i couldnt care less how fast it was 2 b honest coz it;s not mine n he's not got it anymore so to me it doesnt matter . i was jus sayin 60 in 2nd can b dun and b exceeded, form wot i have been told by alot of my mates about this 1 vtr

personally i wouldnt spend that much tryin to make it faster, i'd jus buy a faster car.

4th September 2006, 18:59

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Originally Posted by england11_2004

he cud b talkin nonsense mate. i never actually saw it go that fast. so he could be. he's not 1 to chat shit to be fair. n he still spends daft money on cars now always making them faster. again he could b lying. i wouldnt know n he;s not got it anymore either so cant even see. my other mates have seen it have sed the same tho.

it started fukin up on him in the end he had changed and messed about with that much, so he got rid. but for the short time he had it, it was fast as fuck mate

vtr's aren't fast unless boosted, if it was sold no doubt it would've popped up on here or ssc at one point. important lesson when growing up- dont beleive everything your mates say

4th September 2006, 18:59

i wasnt saying you were, i meant that lad that was claiming he did.

unless he has actually done fuck loads to it.

4th September 2006, 19:00

so what your saying is you can d 60 in second

4th September 2006, 19:01

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Originally Posted by england11_2004

i was jus sayin 60 in 2nd can b dun and b exceeded

only by raising rev limit ( is there an echo in here?), but you knew that, or at least you should by now!!!!!!

4th September 2006, 19:02

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Originally Posted by ricksimmonds

nice one mate! gota get one of those, bargain price! :thumbup: ill even get u rep for that as i wud of paid the 130 or w/e it was!

B&M have been taken over by another company in the states, when the take over went through the UK importers and everyone got new account handlers. Everything at B&M went completely on its head while its all been going on and the back orders just keep mounting up. Speaking to the importers there are 42 kits on back order which have not even left the states yet.

So potn might not be able to get them in unless there is enough orders placed, where as gsmotorsport have them in! or should have.

4th September 2006, 19:05

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Originally Posted by seanvtr81

only by raising rev limit ( is there an echo in here?), but you knew that, or at least you should by now!!!!!!

lol we all no that now, we also not its not atal good for ur car tho, its like shagging fast n hard...ur guna cum quicker (or burn ur engine out quicker) lol. do u like the analogy?

4th September 2006, 19:08

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Originally Posted by ricksimmonds

lol we all no that now, we also know its not at all good for ur car tho,

explain? raising rev limit is pointless on standard cam, plenty of point on a aftermarket cam where power is higher up the rev range. does no harm to your car although i'd make a point of changing oil more regularly but that goes for every modified engine.

4th September 2006, 19:11

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Originally Posted by williamsvts

i wasnt saying you were, i meant that lad that was claiming he did.

unless he has actually done fuck loads to it.

he actually did fuck loads to it... i will send him an e-mail now askin for a ful list of what he did. and see if he's got anything to show the top speed or whateva

4th September 2006, 19:13

im going on the theory that the engine is revving higher than its supposed to (the original red line - and even that is harmful to the engine!), and wen u derestrict a moped, they always burn out quicker. Im not saying its a bad thing tho mate ill still do it when ive got a car!

4th September 2006, 19:14

we're nearly on page 7!

4th September 2006, 19:15

england, i think i gave u a rep point but uve stil only got 1 point? o well lol

4th September 2006, 19:17

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Originally Posted by seanvtr81

vtr's aren't fast unless boosted, if it was sold no doubt it would've popped up on here or ssc at one point. important lesson when growing up- dont beleive everything your mates say

ok, mate i have sent him an e-mail asking for the full list of what he;s dun. i wont get a reply til tomorrow coz it's his work e-mail. but as soon as i kno i will post it. it could have popped up here or on ssc he sold it about 2 yr ago. it was dark grey, standard shell but colour coded,17's, tints, debadged and dropped.(i know this prob applys to shit loads of saxo's lol but thats the best i can give u)

4th September 2006, 19:54

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Originally Posted by ricksimmonds

im going on the theory that the engine is revving higher than its supposed to (the original red line - and even that is harmful to the engine!), and wen u derestrict a moped, they always burn out quicker. Im not saying its a bad thing tho mate ill still do it when ive got a car!

yeah it does fock it up quicker.

4th September 2006, 19:58

OK!

amazing i was on page 1 before i left from work lol

revs and gear ratios determine speed in gear on ANY CAR not just saxos

with a vtr gearbox if you could get to the end of 5th gear with a 7250rpm you could be doing a true 163mph.

Truth is the rev limit on a vtr is only 6250? and a vtr doesnt have the power to pull the skin off a rice pudding let alone do 130+ as standard.

the vtr is limited to less than 60 in second requring a gear change to third to hit 60, no matter if this car was a 250bhp turbocharged monster it wouldnt do 60 in second it would just go through the gears faster.

to recap, gears and rpm give speed in gears (hence why they quote xmph per 1k in 5th etc)

Open or enclosed induction kits are simply that, they are not forced air etc as nothing is forced in, the engine sucks air, simple test is to let your car idle and put your hand over the throttle body, bet you nearly loose your hand down it!

carbon is better for heat, however when your already moving its not going to make much difference as the air circulating around the engine bay will keep the airbox etc cool anyways.

can someone lock this thread as its equally as pointless as the last 60 in second one.

4th September 2006, 20:02

good work out at the gym ad?

4th September 2006, 20:03

lol. was good. watched some nice jubbies for most of it.

God bless student gyms

4th September 2006, 20:04

lmao nice one

4th September 2006, 20:07

well i havent left this seat, so my fingers have had a good work out on the keyboard, also there are some lovely tits here too, google is a good place to look lol (im secretly tryin to make this legendary post 8 pages long!)

4th September 2006, 20:44

ratty i hope that clears it up

4th September 2006, 22:20

ohh well that was some interesting reading for tonight, it made my mind up

.

cams
str8 through pipe
gmc 4-1 manifold
bmc inuction
quickshift
remap
rev limiter raised 500rpm.

4th September 2006, 22:29

The end!

4th September 2006, 23:54

AX gti g/box... my speedo is 1mph out from my GPS, and I can hit 60 on the clock in 2nd.... oh yeh actually my rev limit is 7250rpm... lol....