BE4R Gearbox

1. Rallynavigator L-plater Joined: Jun 2013 Birmingham UK Posts: 99 2003 Saxo VTR 1998 Saxo VTS

   #1 22nd February 2014, 23:40

   Is it possible to fit a BE4R gearbox to a JPS4 (C2 ) engine??
2. Boyes Regular Poster Joined: Apr 2008 Sheffield Posts: 276 Peugeot 106 GTi, Clio 172

   #2 23rd February 2014, 10:09

   My knowledge on BE boxes is limited (I'm unsure if variances of the box don't fit), but I would imagine yes with the correct fitting kit. Mount/Shafts/Linkages/Clutch, Atspeedracing would be able to tell you as they produce a kit, but a number of members on here run BE boxes on both J4 & JP4 blocks.
3. Rallynavigator L-plater Joined: Jun 2013 Birmingham UK Posts: 99 2003 Saxo VTR 1998 Saxo VTS

   #3 23rd February 2014, 10:49

   Thank you for your reply. I wanted a gearbox with a hydraulic clutch to suite a pedal box I have.
4. user_57064 Established Member Joined: Jan 2012 south essex!! Posts: 2442 posi blue vtrs race car

   #4 26th February 2014, 18:17

   youll be limited to ratios unless you go aftermarket sets...
5. Rallynavigator L-plater Joined: Jun 2013 Birmingham UK Posts: 99 2003 Saxo VTR 1998 Saxo VTS

   #5 27th February 2014, 06:07

   but will it fit ???
6. tweeqd Established Member Joined: Mar 2006 Farnham Surrey Posts: 1542 AX GT 16v turbo 6 speed with NOS 205 gti6 E 320

   #6 27th February 2014, 20:25

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by greyjasper51 youll be limited to ratios unless you go aftermarket sets...

   .????
   The bigest advantage of a be4 box is the infinate choice of ratios
   
   The j4 and jp4 block are the same so be4 fits both engines
   
   Atspeed do sell a fitting kit, its 4x the price of parts from citroen/peugeot

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7. Rallynavigator L-plater Joined: Jun 2013 Birmingham UK Posts: 99 2003 Saxo VTR 1998 Saxo VTS

   #7 27th February 2014, 20:43

   Thank you for the info , due to the fact it was a hydraulic clutch concerned me. The clutch make up is what I want so will look now at looking at getting better ratios for the box.
8. john-paul Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2010 hetton/sunderland Posts: 662 250 BHP jp4 vts

   #8 27th February 2014, 21:42

   I have a list of the parts I used. But I'm not sure if everything's working till the cars in the road Saturday. Don't really wanna be telling you somthing Ives use works and it tunes out to be wrong
9. welshpug Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2010 South Wales Posts: 3078 ZX 16v, 205 GTI, 309 Goodwood, 405 MI16.

   #9 27th February 2014, 22:35

   personally I'd spend the £400 on a satchell mounting kit, £300 on a satchshift, then sort the rest myself, the Drive flanges just need some BE ones turning down to fit the later bearing and a small spacer.
   
   Driveshafts are just a case of shortened 306/xsara/picasso/307 items which isnt difficult to do as they are tubular.
   
   As Martin said, there are LOTS of variation in the gear ratios you can have from the vast BE parts bin, anything from a 3.59 to a 5.1 final drive can be found in standard boxes with quite a variation of gearing too.
   
   rather than the MA where you're pretty much fixed to the sport gearset and a small range of factory FD's, 4.5 being the lowest afaik!
   
   They're also a lot stiffer, easier to work on.

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10. welshpug Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2010 South Wales Posts: 3078 ZX 16v, 205 GTI, 309 Goodwood, 405 MI16.

    #10 27th February 2014, 22:39

    clutch on the BE4 box was used both as a cable and hydraulic, you'd just need to swap the clutch release arm as they are different lengths slightly, and get a standard slave cylinder of course.
11. tweeqd Established Member Joined: Mar 2006 Farnham Surrey Posts: 1542 AX GT 16v turbo 6 speed with NOS 205 gti6 E 320

    #11 27th February 2014, 22:45

    Yu can spend £500 on custom shafts but ive had cut and welded ones for 10years now and run 400lbs/ft and 165mph+ and never had an issue
12. Rallynavigator L-plater Joined: Jun 2013 Birmingham UK Posts: 99 2003 Saxo VTR 1998 Saxo VTS

    #12 28th February 2014, 00:04

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tweeqd Yu can spend £500 on custom shafts but ive had cut and welded ones for 10years now and run 400lbs/ft and 165mph+ and never had an issue

    Which shafts do you run??
13. Rallynavigator L-plater Joined: Jun 2013 Birmingham UK Posts: 99 2003 Saxo VTR 1998 Saxo VTS

    #13 28th February 2014, 00:08

    Quote:

    personally I'd spend the £400 on a satchell mounting kit, £300 on a satchshift, then sort the rest myself, the Drive flanges just need some BE ones turning down to fit the later bearing and a small spacer.

    Is it possible to have the bearings turned down , more so than the flanges. The reason I say this , by doing the flanges aren't you loosing the strength around the splined area ?
14. welshpug Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2010 South Wales Posts: 3078 ZX 16v, 205 GTI, 309 Goodwood, 405 MI16.

    #14 28th February 2014, 18:51

    plenty of people have done it like that without any issues.
    
    you could go for the satchell front suspension kit which uses the 307 front hub with the larger 82mm bearing and standard BE drive flanges, sort your suspension geometry totally in one go.

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15. Rallynavigator L-plater Joined: Jun 2013 Birmingham UK Posts: 99 2003 Saxo VTR 1998 Saxo VTS

    #15 28th February 2014, 19:24

    Looking at the price of that kit , it wont be a option I will be going with
16. tweeqd Established Member Joined: Mar 2006 Farnham Surrey Posts: 1542 AX GT 16v turbo 6 speed with NOS 205 gti6 E 320

    #16 28th February 2014, 21:39

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Rallynavigator Which shafts do you run??

    Picasso hollow ones with a dowel and welded, i made them myself many years ago